Thank-you so much for your letter. I agree with your concerns about continued
development of fossil fuels. If the true cost of fossil fuels was added to the
price tag (environmental and health effects), I think there would be a much
greater effort to develop alternative and renewable energy sources.There is a chapter of the Citizens' Climate Lobby that meets in Salt Lake
City on a monthly basis. Check out their website for information about the
organization and when and where the meetings are.
@Mountanman"Record cold last winter!"For you it was
the 45th warmest winter out of 119 years in Idaho. In the contiguous US it was
the 36th coldest. Wisconsin had their 5th coldest (the most extreme in that
direction). California had their record warmest. Globally it was in the top 15
warmest winters (and then globally we had the warmest April and May on record,
en route to a top 10 warmest year on record).
@Sensible Scientist"Despite rising CO2 levels, global temperatures are
flat."You cherrypicked a set of years to be convenient to you
and ignored the overriding trend, and notably your set of years features the
development of the weakest solar cycle in a century and even with that working
against warming you only got a stalling of warming.
Re: "I see the Climate Change Deniers are busily doing their thing. . .
Denying . . . in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary."Yeah -- overwhelming evidence like the fact that today's
temperatures are common in Earth's history, even in the relatively recent
past history of the Holocene. During times of both high atmospheric CO2, and
low.Or like the fact that climate science's models are
completely inadequate to account for the past or predict the future.Or the robust, well-documented fact that science grant money determines study
outcomes.The fact is this -- no one can accurately predict what
Earth's temperature will be in two weeks, let alone what it will be in two
decades, twoscore years, or two centuries. And, even if someone could,
there's precious little that can be done to affect it, one way or the
other.Liberals hate it, because they've hung all their
freedom-sapping schemes on climate change, and it's just not providing them
the crises they expected.Liberals simply lack the inclination to
think for themselves, step away from comfortable orthodoxy, or buck their
I see the Climate Change Deniers are busily doing their thing. . . Denying . .
. in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.For them,
it's not about science. It's about faith.They are true
believers.They Believe in Rush Limbaugh. They believe in His word.
Why? . . . Because it's a lot easier than thinking for
Re: "Without working cooperatively and compassionating here and abroad there
will be widespread violence and wars . . . .""Compassionating?" Hmmmmmm.Just so's you know -- even
if we compassionate a lot, there will still be widespread violence and wars. In
fact, in case you missed the last few days of news, widespread violence and wars
are already here.Your "return-to-the-caves" train already
left the station. 200 years ago.Today's choice is not between
oil and peace or butterflies and cars. Rather, it's between liberty and
savagery. Tree huggers have chosen savagery. Now their trying desperately to
sell us on it.Here's hoping America's non-tree-hugging
population, which comprises something north of 99% of America, will wake up and
fight for, at least an American island of peace and liberty, rather than embrace
the chaos and catastrophe that acceptance of environmental activism's goals
will surely produce.
@sensible scientist"False. Despite rising CO2 levels, global
temperatures are flat."Ironically, neither sense nor science
exists in your statement. Nor does honesty.The claim that
'global temperatures are flat' is only supported if you focus on a
very narrow timeframe (10-15 years), and only if you ignore the longer trend,
and only if you include global Air temperatures, and only while ignoring global
water temperature data.
David is obviously an expert in climatology. So David. If our climate now is
bad, when was it good? What are we comparing our current climate to?
Conditions that existed 100 years ago? 1000? 5000? 100,000? When were things
just right? When exactly did the climate not "change?" You
are smart. I am not. Please educate me.
The letter is based on false assertions, such as "Rapidly increasing use of
fossil fuels is warming our air and acidifying our oceans at an alarming
rate."False. Despite rising CO2 levels, global temperatures are
flat.Also false: "It's driven not just by pursuit of
comforts and faster travel, but more importantly by the fossil fuel
corporation's relentless pursuit of profits." Oil companies, like all
businesses, sell people what they want. They do so at the lowest profit margins
of any business sector. They are owned by tens of thousands of shareholders --
you, me, and our neighbors -- who share in the profits. That's not
"greed," it's how the economic world works.Another
false assertion is that "Our earth faces monstrous storms, record heat and
massive starvation." There are no such climate changes occurring. You can
look it up.Relax -- the end ain't near.
Que the barrage of junk science and "poverty producers" in,
I can see how ocean currents melts ice. I can see it's been doing that for
a long tine.
Que the barrage by the "Earth-Haters" in, 3...2...1...
David Smith's logic is faulty. We know that everybody dies. We know that
almost everybody eats carrots. We could draw the conclusion that eating carrots
will kill us.NOBODY knows why the weather changes. David Smith has
decided that his car's exhaust is causing the weather to change. Maybe he
hasn't looked at photos of Salt Lake City, of Chicago, of New York, of San
Francisco, of Denver in 1900 when everyone used coal or wood to heat their
homes. There was much more pollution then than there is now. Did that cause
the "Dust Bowl"? The one thing that we think we know is
that the earth has had weather cycles. Studying the rings on trees that have
lived for over 2,000 years shows a few of those cycles. Are we to surmise that
man caused THOSE cycles? If not, why would we conclude that man is causing
weather changes now?
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Record cold last winter!
Oh the Irony of this letter. Fossil fuels feed many people and Robert Thomas
Malthus and Paul Ehrlich said the same thing and prophecies failed miserably.