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Can Devin Mahina help bring glory back to tight end position at BYU?

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  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    I think a better way to look at Taysom is to look at how he performed against teams from power conferences and Notre Dame. He was 124-266 (46.6%) with 6 INTs. Tough to spin that as a successful season.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 11:51 p.m.

    @ JSwaggDaddy

    BYU beat both Utah State and Houston on the road, so what makes you say they were both tougher than Utah, who beat BYU at home? Not to mention Utah beat USU and finished well ahead of the Aggies and Houston in the final Sagarin ratings.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 14, 2014 3:38 p.m.

    I've always enjoyed seeing the TE perform at such a high level at BYU but honestly I'm not married to any single position. All I care about is that the offense is good, moves the ball, and scores. I don't care who gets the ball or how they get downfield and into the endzone just that they get downfield and into the endzone, a lot.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    The TE and FB "positions" change depending on the type of scheme. It depends how many backs or receivers that you have in the formation. If you run a 4 wide receiver set or "spread" formation that is designed to spread the defense out and cover all ends of the field, then you may be running a double tight end set where both of the tight ends are flexed out as inside receivers. Those inside receivers could also be substituted for the shorter, quicker slot receiver types. Both formations are intended to create mismatches. The TEs are supposed to create more of a height mismatch, while the slot receivers are intended to create more of a quickness, speed mismatch. When you run this formation it changes the TE's role in the offense. You may also put in a double tight end set that is a power run formation where you have a fullback and two tight ends in an I formation the way you see Stanford run sometimes. Some schemes actually take those positions out of the equation if they are purely a speed option scheme, etc. So, the TE and fullback positions have somewhat changed with a changed offense.

  • JSwaggDaddy Heber City, UT
    July 14, 2014 12:58 p.m.

    "You mean once they got to the easy part of the schedule his passing numbers improved?"

    Virginia and utah were not great teams. Yes, we lost. Texas is tough (and we beat them) but virginia and utah aren't exactly juggernauts.

    Utah State, Houston, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, and Wisconsin are all tougher than Virginia and utah. And Hill was still very improved in those games.

    So Hill actually improved as the schedule got harder.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    @JSwaggDaddy

    "his passing numbers were actually pretty solid if you take out the first 3 games". You mean once they got to the easy part of the schedule his passing numbers improved?

    That's like saying Travis Wilson had a good year if you take out the two games where he had 9 interceptions. Or he had a great season if you only count third quarters.

  • JSwaggDaddy Heber City, UT
    July 13, 2014 8:30 p.m.

    @sg

    "Simply put, Bronco and Anae are not fans of the TE."

    Uh. Harline, Coats, George, Pitta.

    "He (Anae) was a failure his first time around and his second chance hasn't been stellar at all."

    Our offense was consistently a top 25 offense in his first stint. We were virtually unstoppable from 2006 to 2009. The main reason we didn't put together a BCS season in those years is our defense got torched by TCU in 2008 and 2009, and got off to slow non-conference starts in 2006 and 2007.

    "He (Hill) simply can't throw down field."

    I'm not saying Hill was Peyton Manning last year, but his passing numbers were actually pretty solid if you take out the first 3 games. He shredded Houston and USU through the air and was decent against Wisconsin and Washington. Hopefully he will be better than decent this year against the best teams like Texas and UCF, but he wasn't as awful as people think, outside of the first 3 games which included wet weather in 2 of them.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 13, 2014 7:33 p.m.

    sg -

    Don't be too cynical. Steve Young took time to develop. Taysom Hill will have a break out year in 2014.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    July 13, 2014 1:57 p.m.

    Y fans can get all blue in the face but the 'tradition' of tight ends left a long time ago. BYU has one player in the NFL playing tight end. As for current rosters before teams cut down, that is the same number as USU has. Utah has two and their offense has been terrible the past few years.
    You can only live in the past for so long.
    That said, I wish Mahina the best for a successful year and maybe he can start up what has been missing for a while.

  • sg newhall, CA
    July 13, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    Simply put, Bronco and Anae are not fans of the TE. Too bad. Anae is an average offensive coordinator. If this team's offense sputters like it did last season, Anae will be done and gone, and let's hope he's gone. He was a failure his first time around and his second chance hasn't been stellar at all. Hill is a good QB, but not even close to Heisman calibre. Why? He simply can't throw down field. He'd be a better receiver than a QB. He's quick, utilize him as a receiver...he loves to run. I'm not expecting much from the boys in blue this season. Off season, all talk; let's see what they got come August.

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    July 13, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    If you want to bring back the "glory day" of the TE, just put some plays in where the TE is relevant and then throw the dang ball to him.

  • Cosmo's Cousin Holladay, UT
    July 12, 2014 10:24 p.m.

    BYU is on the way back to glory. Devin and especially adding Harvey Langi will be the pieces the Cougars need to get the national championship in football back to Provo in the next couple of years.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 12, 2014 10:07 p.m.

    In the past I've loved the play in the BLUE zone where the qb essentially options the tight end. Coming around the end and they isolate one defender who has to go for the qb or drop to cover the TE.

    Don't know how many touchdowns I've seen with that play, but obviously not enough in recent years.

  • Bountiful Guy Bountiful, UT
    July 12, 2014 8:27 p.m.

    I would love to see Mahina bring back the glory of the tight end to BYU. But it takes an offensive coordinator, QB, and most importantly a game plan to do it. BYU's best players rarely see the ball in their arms, and it's not their fault entirely. Good luck Mahina. I would be most pleased to see you have a great year. Will we see 2-3 QB runs per game, or 15-20?

  • stanfunky Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2014 5:58 p.m.

    Another year, another article about BYU tight ends (not) returning to the glory years. Until Bronco takes it seriously and includes them, the offense will sputter. TE's are the safety valve when things break down and in their best years, BYU has utilized them.

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    July 12, 2014 5:07 p.m.

    A lot of people think that the tight end has no place in an up-tempo, read option offense.

    I completely disagree.

    If anyone knows who Colt Lyerla is, you know why I think a big, powerful player at TE/FB can be a great change of pace to an otherwise lightning-speed attack.

    Unfortunately, I don't see Mahina as the guy who will bring the TE position back. I think Colby Jorgensen is the guy. He won't do it this year, but by the end of his career I think he will be a very successful tight end and will hopefully start up the TE factory we had with Harline, Coats, Pitta, and George during Anae's first stint.

    With that said, I hope Mahina does turn out to be the guy and wish him the best of luck this year!