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Jazz match, Gordon Hayward to sign four-year, $63 million deal to stay in Utah

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  • Socal Coug San Diego, CA
    July 15, 2014 3:38 p.m.

    Settle in, Jazz fans. The water's fine.
    - Laker Fan

  • jazzer St. George, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    I want all of you people who think this was a terrible move to remember your comments and when Gordon has a really good season and you all jump back on the bandwagon to remember how mad you were about this signing.

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    July 13, 2014 7:23 p.m.

    There isn't many players on the market with Gordon's all around game. I think he explodes into a bigger scorer in a uptempo game, finally leaving the grind out Jerry ball behind that Corbin continued to run. So many of you complain, and would've the first ones screaming at jazz management if this kid moves on and becomes a star. I think we should all be excited to see a new offense.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    July 13, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    It does not matter that a better free agent would not come/was not available. I also don't care whether its someone elses money or not.

    Serious jazz fans want to win and while we may win a few more games with Hayward than without him you don't dump all that money in a player that can't elevate your team past mediocrity.

    I would be more interested in continuing to lose and drafting top talent players until you get a diamond than paying Hayward like he his when has demonstrated he clearly isn't.

    I get why the Jazz signed him this year. It would be embarrassing to let him walk for nothing. They should have dealt him last season when they could not come to terms.

    I hope Lindseys plan is to sign and then trade Hayward as we move ahead. Clearly Jordon and possibly Ainge in Boston or some other teams are interested in what a bunch of missed shots look like. I say let them have a permanent look when the opportunity presents itself.

    This mistake could be improved upon if he is traded in the next couple of years.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    July 13, 2014 2:00 p.m.

    Lindsey has made good sound decisions...up until this one with Hayward.

    Hayward is many of the things you want in a player. The problem though he is now getting paid like THE player and clearly is not.

    I seriously thought for a while we had a GM that was making all the right decisions and seriously wanted to win. You put this much $$ in this caliber of player you really are just looking to build another seeping pile of mediocrity.

    Hayward should have been traded last season when they could not come to terms on the extension.

    Hayward and his agent won and the Jazz management are the clear losers.

    How pathetic we have to take a player and contract from the incompetent manager/owner/NBA talent evaluator Michael Jordan. He always makes bad decisions and now we took his bad decision hook line and sinker.

    Welcome back to eternal mediocrity Jazz fans. Max payment to mediocre players.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    July 13, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    This is unfortunate. Hayward is a very good player. However, his skill level has peaked. The Jazz should have used a "sign and trade".

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 13, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    A couple of things, I think this is to much for Hayward but those that are saying MJ did it just to screw the Jazz are deluded. You don't offer a guy 16mil per year that you don't think a guy is worth just to "stick it" to someone else when the very real possibility exists you might be the one getting stuck instead.

    Now I'm on board that MJ is a terrible GM and talent evaluator, I agree he is a bungler and his track record proves it, but he didn't do it just to "stick it" to Utah, that would be incredibly dumb.

    This is a done deal, Hayward is going to get paid a fortune to be here, let's all hope he becomes a far better player than he has been up to this point because that would be the best possible outcome for all of us that are jazz fans.

    And I don't care if he reads all of these posts, he needs to have a fire lit under him and know that fans don't think he earned what he got so he focuses on earning it now.

  • Old Scarecrow Brigham City, UT
    July 13, 2014 5:18 a.m.

    The Jazz will look at their guys in Las Vegas and in practices, and with so many teams sitting with excess cap space now, Hayward is trade-able, even at this price. So this isn't a bad deal for the Jazz. They had to keep their assets, now they still have options, including another $12-14M cap space open. Likely they are not done with moves yet, like everybody else. GM Dennis Lindsay set out to prove that he's tough, and nobody can get over on him, and so far nobody has -- two first round draft picks that everyone likes, and keeping Hayward when everybody who can dribble is getting over-paid. The Jazz will eventually have to be reckoned with in the west, 2-3 years away now.

  • play by the rules SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    July 13, 2014 12:20 a.m.

    Those of you complaining, please name the free agent who would have been willing to sign and who would have replaced Hayward. Not only do you need to be able to get a free agent to sign, but they have to be willing to come to Utah. Complain all you want, but it didn't happen. We know early on the Jazz talked to Ariza, but no dice.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    July 12, 2014 11:19 p.m.

    Sorry Henry, Michael Jordan is the best basketball player to ever step on the court but he may be the worst owner ever. I could care less about his opinion. What I do know is that Gordon is good but not anywhere near max money. Maybe he's movable though if he doesn't pan out. One thing is for sure, he needs to stop playing video games and start practicing his jump shot and I'm not joking.

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    July 12, 2014 10:57 p.m.

    For everyone ragging on this move, what would you have wanted them to do with the money instead? And what does this contract keep us from doing? You may not like the deal, but you have no better solutions that are realistic.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    July 12, 2014 10:43 p.m.

    somebody thought because it was Michael Jordan offering that HAyward was worth it...that is the same Mr. Jordan who has proven inept at management and drafted Kwame Brown as he saw the potential there.

    The Jazz got nothing for Millsap, they got a second round draft choice for record setting Randy Foye and now they are paying an extra $4 million annually for the next 4 years vs what they could have had Hayward for last year.

    Larry has to be rolling in the grave as the entire Jazz organization has bought into the Lindsay story of emperor with no clothes. What has the man cost the Jazz organization vs what he has brought. He says things will get better but now there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

    The Jazz stunk the court up last year and this season Lindsay had a goal to sign our own player back. How is that making the Jazz better? How can they get so far behind without plotting.

    Lindsay is acting like he is still working for the Spurs as he decimates the Jazz. Young Miller needs to wake up and look in the mirror....gasp I am naked.

  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    July 12, 2014 10:31 p.m.

    Wow!

    Michael Jordan condescended to Skype with Hayward. That is so impressive. I am blown away that Jordan would go to so much trouble for anyone, let alone a guy who has only been in the league four years. Hayward should feel so honored.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    July 12, 2014 8:51 p.m.

    $63,000,000 for taking the shot...

    Imagine what he would have signed for if he could actually make the shot.

  • FREDISDEAD Nephi, UT
    July 12, 2014 8:38 p.m.

    Terrible decision. Complete waste. Saw this year he is NOT the man but pay him more than anyone in franchise history? Sad

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    July 12, 2014 8:16 p.m.

    Yes, I agree that Hayward will be overpaid but it's time to get over it and be supportive. I'm waiting for the 1st summer league game to start in a 1/2 hour and based on some of the negative nellies we have out there I hope our new draftees play well or some fans will already be calling them busts and jumping all over Lindsey. That is just ridiculous!! I appreciate the fans that understand the process and don't start asking for Lindsey's head after a summer league game.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2014 7:22 p.m.

    No one is worth $63 Million dollars over 4 years let alone a kid under 30. What are you thinking of? They've got to sell a whole lot of tickets at very high prices to pay for this one. They probably learned their lesson letting Paul Mishap go years ago. And a few others.....

  • technonerd7 orem, ut
    July 12, 2014 6:08 p.m.

    First off, we have a new offensive system, that will most likely play into Gordon's skills. second, there is a minimum league salary, and we were like 20 million below it, with 12 players. This gets us close to the salary required. Third, We still have plenty of cap space, don't freak. Fourth, NO OTHER MAJOR FREE AGENT was coming to Utah this year. Gordon was the best player available for the Jazz to sign.

    Everyone relax, let management do what they do, and let the new team and coach have 2 years of cleaning up the Ty Corbin era before you freak out. If we win 30 games this year and get 1 more high draft pick so be it.

  • ABELIEVER roy, UT
    July 12, 2014 5:46 p.m.

    I was a A believer now I can careless. This is a gigantic mistake by all measures of management. Lindsey needs to leave.

  • SWH Littleton, CO
    July 12, 2014 5:40 p.m.

    Iowa Jazz Fan 2

    Answer: You never know what the market will bear. Generally speaking, the successful GMs in professional sports allow the market to determine the value of their free agents if there is uncertainty. You win some, you lose some. We won't know for a couple of years how this one will play out. The Jazz are definitely banking on potential and future value with Hayward.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    July 12, 2014 5:35 p.m.

    Mr. Drummond,
    Mr. Jordan made his millions playing basketball, not managing it. He just took out an old play from the Blazers play book and stuck it to the Jazz. He never wanted GH. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. But, fool me over and over and it proofs the point...there is no fool like an old jazz fool.

  • md Cache, UT
    July 12, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    Gordon can gain back the fans he lost last year by:
    1- Showing enthusiasm in his return to Utah.
    2- Becoming a more vocal leader.
    3- Learning how to control the basketball while dribbling and shooting the ball better.
    4- Having a positive attitude on and off the court.

  • JMeyer Bluffdale, UT
    July 12, 2014 5:19 p.m.

    Dear Henry Drummond, saying Michael Jordan thought he was worth that kind of money does say a lot. He is one of the worst decision makers in the ownership ranks of the NBA. He picked Kwame Brown number one a few years ago and he turned out be terrible. Two years ago Charlotte was one of the worst teams in the history of the NBA. Michael could play but he's giving Isaiah Thomas competition as a guy who can't evaluate talent. Gordon Hayward may now be the most overpaid player in the league. His shooting percentage from 3 point range last year was around 30 percent and it was 41% from the floor. How anyone can think this will now change haven't seen him take wide open jump shots. It's not pretty.

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    July 12, 2014 4:52 p.m.

    Important comment above from Henry Drummond regarding Michael Jordan. Many intelligent former all-star players such as Kobe Bryant, Doc Rivers and Jeff Hornacek have expressed their admiration for Hayward's versatile skill set and intensity. Buckle your seat belts, doubters.
    The Quin Snyder/Brad Jones directed 2014/2015 Utah Jazz show begins tonight.

  • ed Los Olivos, CA
    July 12, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    Good decision. This is the financial reality of the NBA. Bosh, 31 years old, just signed a deal worth $118 million. Parsons' deal is $46 million for only three years. If the point guards get him the ball in the right places, Hayward will be worth his salary.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    July 12, 2014 4:39 p.m.

    I wish Hayward was even the player AK was:

    Fourth year stats:

    AK: 15.6 points per game on 49.3% shooting, actually led the league with 3.3 blocks per game.

    Hayward:16.0 points per game on 41.3% shooting. His best stat is assisting 5.2 assists per game.

    Yeah, they are similar type players in many respects meaning the Jazz singing him for that kind of money after the AK experience is foolish...

  • JM Fan Murray, UT
    July 12, 2014 4:28 p.m.

    Good Move. Better coaching and better player development will lead to better results for all players. Losing Hayward would have kept this team out of the playoffs for another 4 years. This contract is cheap. Jazz have a salary floor. You rather have Jordan Hill for $9M a year?

  • eagle Provo, UT
    July 12, 2014 4:27 p.m.

    Stupid decision that gives me no hope that this new Jazz management has a clue. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The similarities between AK and Hayward should have made any clear-thinking person to avoid a max like contract. And if you look at things objectively, not even sure Hayward is even the player AK was back then. Not just a bad move, but another move that will derail the Jazz getting back to some semblance of excellence.

  • SI SANDY, UT
    July 12, 2014 4:19 p.m.

    Hayward was drafted as a shooter - he's proven he's not.It has been widely stated that Hayward the common opinion out there is he couldn't handle the pressure of being the "go to guy", the first option on the team. If he thought he's had pressure in the past just wait till this season - he's not a shooter that is all of a sudden going to now become one? He's not a leader, he's not a super-aggressive athlete who can turn it on whenever he wants......he's a glorified role player with a $63 million contract. With his lack of ability and killer-instinct he's going to have a horrible year trying to justify that money when he can't. He thought he felt pressure before? Ha! He's about to find out. Horrible risk Jazz. I predict he will be traded by the 3rd year of this contract for much, much less that what the Jazz just paid. I hope I'm wrong.

  • SWH Littleton, CO
    July 12, 2014 4:03 p.m.

    To those who criticize this move...come out of the ether. The Jazz are not going to be able to bring in anyone near Hayward's talent level through free agency. Those with mid-level talent that can help make teams competitive are drawn to the spheres of the super stars. Further, all over the NBA these athletes are being paid astronomical paycheck that are completely out of balance with real life...but that is the market they are in. Overpaying is the name of the game. Be glad that someone with Hayward's ability is a captive to Utah through restricted free agency,and the Jazz can dictate his return. The market has driven his price, and it is moderate in the grand scheme of NBA salaries.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    July 12, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    Lindsey one again proves that he was with the Spurs but wasn't making the smart calls. He tanked for nothing!

  • BYU fan of the North usa, UT
    July 12, 2014 3:43 p.m.

    It just cracks me up, how upset people are over the amount of money SOMEBODY ELSE is spending. I am a season ticket holder, and as big of a Jazz fanatic as you will find, but reality is also something that many are failing to see. Hayward is one of the most versatile players in the NBA, and has stats that only guys like Lebron James and Durrant put up across the board. Is he worth max money, maybe not in the common person's mind, but in the mind of a NBA gm, HE IS. Not only were the Hornets going to offer him max money, but the Cavs, Celtics, and possibly a couple other teams other than the Jazz thought he was worth it as well. It is not hurting the Jazz or the their ability to sign their future players, because the Salary cap and luxary tax levels are raised every year. In fact, the cap will be going up significantly over the next 4 years, due to the new collective bargaining agreement. As for those that claimed that he can't play basketball; he has $15 million reasons that says that he can and you can not.

  • PhilRM Anchorage, AK
    July 12, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    Henry Drummond, Michael Lordan has yet to show he can manage a club to success. I wouldn't put any stock in his judgment of talent. This was nothing more than a way to yet again stick it to the Jazz. The 2nd generation Millers and Dennis Lindsay are single handedly ruining this ball club. So very sad.

  • JKL51 Phoenix, AZ
    July 12, 2014 3:29 p.m.

    Good Draft, then this Match Making BS with Hayward. Hayward is Mediocre at Best, I don't Blame Hayward for getting as much money as he can for his services, Charlotte and then the Jazz are the Idiots to be Paying him this much. Congrats to Hayward for pulling this one off for himself, lets just hope this doesn't tie the Jazz Hands for the next few years and that Management hasn't screwed this up that bad yet. Ever since Sloan quit this team has been circling the Drain with Coaching and Management decisions. Gotta Love america, 24 and 63M for the next 4 years to bounce a ball and hit not even half your shots…. The American Dream

  • Riley Mendenhall Provo, UT
    July 12, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    Re: Henry Drummond

    Michael Jordan also thought Adam Morrison would be good and drafted him 3rd in the 2006 NBA draft.

    Jordan was best player of all-time, but he cannot manage a team at all.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    July 12, 2014 3:09 p.m.

    Is this guy really worth $192,000 per game for the next 4 years?

  • VeraLouise Sandy, UT
    July 12, 2014 2:58 p.m.

    Please, before we totally eviscerate this young man, can we offer him some support and encouragement? Give him a chance to succeed in a new, faster system? I hope he does not read these posts as they are pretty brutal, for the most part. It's a business, and that is what controlled this whole process, unfortunately. The $$$s are obscene for nearly everybody anymore. And I'm pretty certain that the agents have a huge hand(out)(%)in all of this. But it is what it is. Give him a chance, folks.

    Go Jazzboys tonight in Las Vegas! I need a Jazz fix!!

  • TerryHaimes Sturgis, MS
    July 12, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    I'm happy it is over. I never doubted the Jazz would match but as the old saying goes, "it ain't ver til it is over". If the team stays healthy they will be in the playoffs and go at least past the first round.

    I wish camp was opening tomorrow.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 12, 2014 2:35 p.m.

    @Henry Drummond

    Jordan believed no such thing. He knew the Jazz would match any offer (because Dennis Lindsey stupidly said so publicly), so he offered Hayward a max money deal just to force the Jazz to spend more money on a player they could have got for less.

    So, in essence, Michael Jordan just ruined the Jazz for another 5 years. Sounds like 1998 again.

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    July 12, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    Well now I know" money does grow on trees".

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    July 12, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    This is what the NBA has become? Every player is way, way over paid!

    The best players in franchise history never saw money like this...a sad reality for them and for us all.

  • hamaca Baton Rouge, LA
    July 12, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    Glad this is done--it needed to to be. Does not matter he is being over paid. His is among the smallest "max deals" out there. You want to see a real max deal? Look at Chris Josh, Carmelo, LeBron, Kobe, etc. Gordon's comp this year is not in the same league (pardon the pun) as those guys.

    Some Jazz fans think its so easy to just sign any of the available decent free agents. Well, it ain't. Rarely going to happen. The Jazz have to play by a different set of unwritten rules to get talent and to build a competitive team.

    Can't wait for summer league to start and then the regular season to see how all the changes come together! Time to stop the whining and support the team...including Gordon. He'll be much improved this year. They need our positive energy like at the scrimmage.

  • Jeff in NC CASTLE HAYNE, NC
    July 12, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    If his FG% does not improve, this is wasted money. Even with FG% improvement, that's a lot of green for Hayward. Not sure this was a good move.

  • Iowa Jazz Fan 2 Cedar Rapids, IA
    July 12, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    Prediction: no reporter will press Lindsey on why the Jazz were not willing to bend and give Hayward a million a year more than their 12 million/year limit last October, but now are willing to give him 2-3 million a year extra over the next four years. A more expensive contract now, with a 15% trade kicker to boot.

    It's an obvious question that begs to be asked: what were you brass thinking last fall, Dennis?

    But no reporter will ask it. I'd love to be wrong here.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    July 12, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    Can we all stand up and say together "The next AK"!!! Exum, Favors and Burks will be the face of this team within two years. Hayward will be a role player.

  • wasatchwatcher murray, UT
    July 12, 2014 12:31 p.m.

    I don't understand the jazz did'nt want to do an extention for GH for 13 million because they din'nt think he was worth it. but love him to death at 17 million, the Jazz gambled and lost, Anyone with any business background could figure out the fact that the NBA is on an upswing and that the cap was going up, and that you will pay more the longer you wait. I'm glad they matched though I think a new system and new coaching will help his shooting % increase he does everything else well. go Jazz

  • Pasta Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2014 12:25 p.m.

    The amount of money is ridiculous for an unproven player, but I want to be optimistic and think a new coach and offense/defense will allow him to improve. Time will tell.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 12, 2014 12:02 p.m.

    A wise move.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    Good move by Utah, since they failed to get a deal done in October this really was their only option. If people actually do the the math they will see that this deal isn't that bad for Utah, theoretically they could offer max deals to both Enis and Alec and still have about $10 million dollars to go before they hit the luxury tax next season. And don't try and compare it to AK's contract, AK's was a 7 year contract this is only for 4.

    Hopefully the Jazz learn from this and get deals done with Enis and Alec before they are forced to match match offers on inflated restricted free agent contracts.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    That's a lot of money for a "support" player with an inconsistant shot. At least you know what you get with Hayward.

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    July 12, 2014 11:24 a.m.

    A good decision by the Jazz to retain their most versatile player. I think as Exum develops over the next couple of years, he may at times take over the responsibility of defending the opponent's best offensive player from Hayward, thus giving Hayward a break from his intense, full-court duties. Either way, let's see if anything else happens over the next day and a half. Good luck this coming season, Gordon.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 12, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    Before everyone comes unhinged over the contract keep in mind it was Michael Jordan who decided Gordon was worth that kind of money. That says a lot.

  • Localmotion Arlington, VA
    July 12, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    Bad move after bad move. How many free agents have the Jazz lost with nothing in return and then they decide to keep the one with the least talent? They let Wes Matthews, Millsap and Jefferson walk, but keep a guy who can barely shoot 40% on one of the NBA's worst teams? Wow.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    July 12, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    So the Jazz make deft trades, financially sound decisions, and plan for this off-season for years so they have the financial flexibility to get a great player and then they go and flush all of that down the drain and pay Hayward the max?
    We know what Hayward is, he's not going to all of the sudden become a clutch shooter and a team leader if he hasn't already done it. He pouts, feels sorry for himself, and isn't mentally tough enough to deal with the added pressure this contract will bring.
    Once again the 2nd generation of Jazz ownership has shown their inability to make a sound decision. If anyone should be getting paid max money on the Jazz it would be Favors.

  • SportsJunkie Orem, UT
    July 12, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    Wow-- really? I'm not sure he is worth it but we are about to find out.

  • Man in Charge Chihuahua, 00
    July 12, 2014 10:34 a.m.

    Oh my gosh. Are you kidding me? This is the worst money the Jazz have ever spent.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 12, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    I think it is a mistake, he isn't worth it, but now we'll just have to hope he makes himself worth it.

  • 1991Jazzfan Provo/USA, UT
    July 12, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    This is the biggest mistake on so many levels!!!!. This kid cannot play basketball we just paid $63 million for nothing more than an inconsistent role player.I don't think I'm mad at the fact the Jazz retained Gordon it's just the fact it was a max offer that he doesn't deserve, because his not a max offer type player. Again I hope Dennis knows what he's doing sometimes it sure does not seem like it. I'm sure I will get flack for this comment but everyone is entitled to have their own opinion.

  • amigo sandy, UT
    July 12, 2014 10:07 a.m.

    Unbelievable! I need some prozac and the Jazz need new management