Settle in, Jazz fans. The water's fine.- Laker Fan
I want all of you people who think this was a terrible move to remember your
comments and when Gordon has a really good season and you all jump back on the
bandwagon to remember how mad you were about this signing.
There isn't many players on the market with Gordon's all around game.
I think he explodes into a bigger scorer in a uptempo game, finally leaving the
grind out Jerry ball behind that Corbin continued to run. So many of you
complain, and would've the first ones screaming at jazz management if this
kid moves on and becomes a star. I think we should all be excited to see a new
It does not matter that a better free agent would not come/was not available. I
also don't care whether its someone elses money or not.Serious
jazz fans want to win and while we may win a few more games with Hayward than
without him you don't dump all that money in a player that can't
elevate your team past mediocrity. I would be more interested in
continuing to lose and drafting top talent players until you get a diamond than
paying Hayward like he his when has demonstrated he clearly isn't.I get why the Jazz signed him this year. It would be embarrassing to let him
walk for nothing. They should have dealt him last season when they could not
come to terms.I hope Lindseys plan is to sign and then trade Hayward
as we move ahead. Clearly Jordon and possibly Ainge in Boston or some other
teams are interested in what a bunch of missed shots look like. I say let them
have a permanent look when the opportunity presents itself.This
mistake could be improved upon if he is traded in the next couple of years.
Lindsey has made good sound decisions...up until this one with Hayward.Hayward is many of the things you want in a player. The problem though he is
now getting paid like THE player and clearly is not.I seriously
thought for a while we had a GM that was making all the right decisions and
seriously wanted to win. You put this much $$ in this caliber of player you
really are just looking to build another seeping pile of mediocrity.Hayward should have been traded last season when they could not come to terms
on the extension.Hayward and his agent won and the Jazz management
are the clear losers.How pathetic we have to take a player and
contract from the incompetent manager/owner/NBA talent evaluator Michael Jordan.
He always makes bad decisions and now we took his bad decision hook line and
sinker.Welcome back to eternal mediocrity Jazz fans. Max payment to
This is unfortunate. Hayward is a very good player. However, his skill level
has peaked. The Jazz should have used a "sign and trade".
A couple of things, I think this is to much for Hayward but those that are
saying MJ did it just to screw the Jazz are deluded. You don't offer a guy
16mil per year that you don't think a guy is worth just to "stick
it" to someone else when the very real possibility exists you might be the
one getting stuck instead.Now I'm on board that MJ is a
terrible GM and talent evaluator, I agree he is a bungler and his track record
proves it, but he didn't do it just to "stick it" to Utah, that
would be incredibly dumb.This is a done deal, Hayward is going to
get paid a fortune to be here, let's all hope he becomes a far better
player than he has been up to this point because that would be the best possible
outcome for all of us that are jazz fans.And I don't care if he
reads all of these posts, he needs to have a fire lit under him and know that
fans don't think he earned what he got so he focuses on earning it now.
The Jazz will look at their guys in Las Vegas and in practices, and with so many
teams sitting with excess cap space now, Hayward is trade-able, even at this
price. So this isn't a bad deal for the Jazz. They had to keep their
assets, now they still have options, including another $12-14M cap space open.
Likely they are not done with moves yet, like everybody else. GM Dennis Lindsay
set out to prove that he's tough, and nobody can get over on him, and so
far nobody has -- two first round draft picks that everyone likes, and keeping
Hayward when everybody who can dribble is getting over-paid. The Jazz will
eventually have to be reckoned with in the west, 2-3 years away now.
Those of you complaining, please name the free agent who would have been willing
to sign and who would have replaced Hayward. Not only do you need to be able to
get a free agent to sign, but they have to be willing to come to Utah. Complain
all you want, but it didn't happen. We know early on the Jazz talked to
Ariza, but no dice.
Sorry Henry, Michael Jordan is the best basketball player to ever step on the
court but he may be the worst owner ever. I could care less about his opinion.
What I do know is that Gordon is good but not anywhere near max money. Maybe
he's movable though if he doesn't pan out. One thing is for sure, he
needs to stop playing video games and start practicing his jump shot and
I'm not joking.
For everyone ragging on this move, what would you have wanted them to do with
the money instead? And what does this contract keep us from doing? You may not
like the deal, but you have no better solutions that are realistic.
somebody thought because it was Michael Jordan offering that HAyward was worth
it...that is the same Mr. Jordan who has proven inept at management and drafted
Kwame Brown as he saw the potential there.The Jazz got nothing for
Millsap, they got a second round draft choice for record setting Randy Foye and
now they are paying an extra $4 million annually for the next 4 years vs what
they could have had Hayward for last year.Larry has to be rolling in
the grave as the entire Jazz organization has bought into the Lindsay story of
emperor with no clothes. What has the man cost the Jazz organization vs what he
has brought. He says things will get better but now there is no light at the
end of the tunnel.The Jazz stunk the court up last year and this
season Lindsay had a goal to sign our own player back. How is that making the
Jazz better? How can they get so far behind without plotting.Lindsay is acting like he is still working for the Spurs as he decimates the
Jazz. Young Miller needs to wake up and look in the mirror....gasp I am naked.
Wow!Michael Jordan condescended to Skype with Hayward. That is so
impressive. I am blown away that Jordan would go to so much trouble for anyone,
let alone a guy who has only been in the league four years. Hayward should feel
$63,000,000 for taking the shot...Imagine what he would have signed
for if he could actually make the shot.
Terrible decision. Complete waste. Saw this year he is NOT the man but pay him
more than anyone in franchise history? Sad
Yes, I agree that Hayward will be overpaid but it's time to get over it and
be supportive. I'm waiting for the 1st summer league game to start in a 1/2
hour and based on some of the negative nellies we have out there I hope our new
draftees play well or some fans will already be calling them busts and jumping
all over Lindsey. That is just ridiculous!! I appreciate the fans that
understand the process and don't start asking for Lindsey's head after
a summer league game.
No one is worth $63 Million dollars over 4 years let alone a kid under 30. What
are you thinking of? They've got to sell a whole lot of tickets at very
high prices to pay for this one. They probably learned their lesson letting Paul
Mishap go years ago. And a few others.....
First off, we have a new offensive system, that will most likely play into
Gordon's skills. second, there is a minimum league salary, and we were
like 20 million below it, with 12 players. This gets us close to the salary
required. Third, We still have plenty of cap space, don't freak. Fourth,
NO OTHER MAJOR FREE AGENT was coming to Utah this year. Gordon was the best
player available for the Jazz to sign.Everyone relax, let management
do what they do, and let the new team and coach have 2 years of cleaning up the
Ty Corbin era before you freak out. If we win 30 games this year and get 1 more
high draft pick so be it.
I was a A believer now I can careless. This is a gigantic mistake by all
measures of management. Lindsey needs to leave.
Iowa Jazz Fan 2Answer: You never know what the market will bear.
Generally speaking, the successful GMs in professional sports allow the market
to determine the value of their free agents if there is uncertainty. You win
some, you lose some. We won't know for a couple of years how this one will
play out. The Jazz are definitely banking on potential and future value with
Mr. Drummond,Mr. Jordan made his millions playing basketball, not managing
it. He just took out an old play from the Blazers play book and stuck it to the
Jazz. He never wanted GH. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on
me. But, fool me over and over and it proofs the point...there is no fool like
an old jazz fool.
Gordon can gain back the fans he lost last year by:1- Showing enthusiasm
in his return to Utah.2- Becoming a more vocal leader.3- Learning
how to control the basketball while dribbling and shooting the ball better.4- Having a positive attitude on and off the court.
Dear Henry Drummond, saying Michael Jordan thought he was worth that kind of
money does say a lot. He is one of the worst decision makers in the ownership
ranks of the NBA. He picked Kwame Brown number one a few years ago and he turned
out be terrible. Two years ago Charlotte was one of the worst teams in the
history of the NBA. Michael could play but he's giving Isaiah Thomas
competition as a guy who can't evaluate talent. Gordon Hayward may now be
the most overpaid player in the league. His shooting percentage from 3 point
range last year was around 30 percent and it was 41% from the floor. How anyone
can think this will now change haven't seen him take wide open jump shots.
It's not pretty.
Important comment above from Henry Drummond regarding Michael Jordan. Many
intelligent former all-star players such as Kobe Bryant, Doc Rivers and Jeff
Hornacek have expressed their admiration for Hayward's versatile skill set
and intensity. Buckle your seat belts, doubters. The Quin Snyder/Brad
Jones directed 2014/2015 Utah Jazz show begins tonight.
Good decision. This is the financial reality of the NBA. Bosh, 31 years old,
just signed a deal worth $118 million. Parsons' deal is $46 million for
only three years. If the point guards get him the ball in the right places,
Hayward will be worth his salary.
I wish Hayward was even the player AK was:Fourth year stats:AK: 15.6 points per game on 49.3% shooting, actually led the league
with 3.3 blocks per game.Hayward:16.0 points per game on 41.3%
shooting. His best stat is assisting 5.2 assists per game.Yeah,
they are similar type players in many respects meaning the Jazz singing him for
that kind of money after the AK experience is foolish...
Good Move. Better coaching and better player development will lead to better
results for all players. Losing Hayward would have kept this team out of the
playoffs for another 4 years. This contract is cheap. Jazz have a salary floor.
You rather have Jordan Hill for $9M a year?
Stupid decision that gives me no hope that this new Jazz management has a clue.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The
similarities between AK and Hayward should have made any clear-thinking person
to avoid a max like contract. And if you look at things objectively, not even
sure Hayward is even the player AK was back then. Not just a bad move, but
another move that will derail the Jazz getting back to some semblance of
Hayward was drafted as a shooter - he's proven he's not.It has been
widely stated that Hayward the common opinion out there is he couldn't
handle the pressure of being the "go to guy", the first option on the
team. If he thought he's had pressure in the past just wait till this
season - he's not a shooter that is all of a sudden going to now become
one? He's not a leader, he's not a super-aggressive athlete who can
turn it on whenever he wants......he's a glorified role player with a $63
million contract. With his lack of ability and killer-instinct he's going
to have a horrible year trying to justify that money when he can't. He
thought he felt pressure before? Ha! He's about to find out. Horrible risk
Jazz. I predict he will be traded by the 3rd year of this contract for much,
much less that what the Jazz just paid. I hope I'm wrong.
To those who criticize this move...come out of the ether. The Jazz are not
going to be able to bring in anyone near Hayward's talent level through
free agency. Those with mid-level talent that can help make teams competitive
are drawn to the spheres of the super stars. Further, all over the NBA these
athletes are being paid astronomical paycheck that are completely out of balance
with real life...but that is the market they are in. Overpaying is the name of
the game. Be glad that someone with Hayward's ability is a captive to Utah
through restricted free agency,and the Jazz can dictate his return. The market
has driven his price, and it is moderate in the grand scheme of NBA salaries.
Lindsey one again proves that he was with the Spurs but wasn't making the
smart calls. He tanked for nothing!
It just cracks me up, how upset people are over the amount of money SOMEBODY
ELSE is spending. I am a season ticket holder, and as big of a Jazz fanatic as
you will find, but reality is also something that many are failing to see.
Hayward is one of the most versatile players in the NBA, and has stats that only
guys like Lebron James and Durrant put up across the board. Is he worth max
money, maybe not in the common person's mind, but in the mind of a NBA gm,
HE IS. Not only were the Hornets going to offer him max money, but the Cavs,
Celtics, and possibly a couple other teams other than the Jazz thought he was
worth it as well. It is not hurting the Jazz or the their ability to sign their
future players, because the Salary cap and luxary tax levels are raised every
year. In fact, the cap will be going up significantly over the next 4 years, due
to the new collective bargaining agreement. As for those that claimed that he
can't play basketball; he has $15 million reasons that says that he can and
you can not.
Henry Drummond, Michael Lordan has yet to show he can manage a club to success.
I wouldn't put any stock in his judgment of talent. This was nothing more
than a way to yet again stick it to the Jazz. The 2nd generation Millers and
Dennis Lindsay are single handedly ruining this ball club. So very sad.
Good Draft, then this Match Making BS with Hayward. Hayward is Mediocre at
Best, I don't Blame Hayward for getting as much money as he can for his
services, Charlotte and then the Jazz are the Idiots to be Paying him this much.
Congrats to Hayward for pulling this one off for himself, lets just hope this
doesn't tie the Jazz Hands for the next few years and that Management
hasn't screwed this up that bad yet. Ever since Sloan quit this team has
been circling the Drain with Coaching and Management decisions. Gotta Love
america, 24 and 63M for the next 4 years to bounce a ball and hit not even half
your shots…. The American Dream
Re: Henry DrummondMichael Jordan also thought Adam Morrison would be
good and drafted him 3rd in the 2006 NBA draft.Jordan was best
player of all-time, but he cannot manage a team at all.
Is this guy really worth $192,000 per game for the next 4 years?
Please, before we totally eviscerate this young man, can we offer him some
support and encouragement? Give him a chance to succeed in a new, faster system?
I hope he does not read these posts as they are pretty brutal, for the most
part. It's a business, and that is what controlled this whole process,
unfortunately. The $$$s are obscene for nearly everybody anymore. And I'm
pretty certain that the agents have a huge hand(out)(%)in all of this. But it is
what it is. Give him a chance, folks. Go Jazzboys tonight in Las
Vegas! I need a Jazz fix!!
I'm happy it is over. I never doubted the Jazz would match but as the old
saying goes, "it ain't ver til it is over". If the team stays
healthy they will be in the playoffs and go at least past the first round.I wish camp was opening tomorrow.
@Henry DrummondJordan believed no such thing. He knew the Jazz would
match any offer (because Dennis Lindsey stupidly said so publicly), so he
offered Hayward a max money deal just to force the Jazz to spend more money on a
player they could have got for less.So, in essence, Michael Jordan
just ruined the Jazz for another 5 years. Sounds like 1998 again.
Well now I know" money does grow on trees".
This is what the NBA has become? Every player is way, way over paid!The best players in franchise history never saw money like this...a sad
reality for them and for us all.
Glad this is done--it needed to to be. Does not matter he is being over paid.
His is among the smallest "max deals" out there. You want to see a real
max deal? Look at Chris Josh, Carmelo, LeBron, Kobe, etc. Gordon's comp
this year is not in the same league (pardon the pun) as those guys.Some Jazz fans think its so easy to just sign any of the available decent free
agents. Well, it ain't. Rarely going to happen. The Jazz have to play by
a different set of unwritten rules to get talent and to build a competitive
team.Can't wait for summer league to start and then the regular
season to see how all the changes come together! Time to stop the whining and
support the team...including Gordon. He'll be much improved this year.
They need our positive energy like at the scrimmage.
If his FG% does not improve, this is wasted money. Even with FG% improvement,
that's a lot of green for Hayward. Not sure this was a good move.
Prediction: no reporter will press Lindsey on why the Jazz were not willing to
bend and give Hayward a million a year more than their 12 million/year limit
last October, but now are willing to give him 2-3 million a year extra over the
next four years. A more expensive contract now, with a 15% trade kicker to
boot.It's an obvious question that begs to be asked: what were
you brass thinking last fall, Dennis?But no reporter will ask it.
I'd love to be wrong here.
Can we all stand up and say together "The next AK"!!! Exum, Favors and
Burks will be the face of this team within two years. Hayward will be a role
I don't understand the jazz did'nt want to do an extention for GH for
13 million because they din'nt think he was worth it. but love him to death
at 17 million, the Jazz gambled and lost, Anyone with any business background
could figure out the fact that the NBA is on an upswing and that the cap was
going up, and that you will pay more the longer you wait. I'm glad they
matched though I think a new system and new coaching will help his shooting %
increase he does everything else well. go Jazz
The amount of money is ridiculous for an unproven player, but I want to be
optimistic and think a new coach and offense/defense will allow him to improve.
Time will tell.
A wise move.
Good move by Utah, since they failed to get a deal done in October this really
was their only option. If people actually do the the math they will see that
this deal isn't that bad for Utah, theoretically they could offer max deals
to both Enis and Alec and still have about $10 million dollars to go before they
hit the luxury tax next season. And don't try and compare it to AK's
contract, AK's was a 7 year contract this is only for 4.Hopefully the Jazz learn from this and get deals done with Enis and Alec
before they are forced to match match offers on inflated restricted free agent
That's a lot of money for a "support" player with an inconsistant
shot. At least you know what you get with Hayward.
A good decision by the Jazz to retain their most versatile player. I think as
Exum develops over the next couple of years, he may at times take over the
responsibility of defending the opponent's best offensive player from
Hayward, thus giving Hayward a break from his intense, full-court duties. Either
way, let's see if anything else happens over the next day and a half. Good
luck this coming season, Gordon.
Before everyone comes unhinged over the contract keep in mind it was Michael
Jordan who decided Gordon was worth that kind of money. That says a lot.
Bad move after bad move. How many free agents have the Jazz lost with nothing in
return and then they decide to keep the one with the least talent? They let Wes
Matthews, Millsap and Jefferson walk, but keep a guy who can barely shoot 40% on
one of the NBA's worst teams? Wow.
So the Jazz make deft trades, financially sound decisions, and plan for this
off-season for years so they have the financial flexibility to get a great
player and then they go and flush all of that down the drain and pay Hayward the
max?We know what Hayward is, he's not going to all of the sudden
become a clutch shooter and a team leader if he hasn't already done it. He
pouts, feels sorry for himself, and isn't mentally tough enough to deal
with the added pressure this contract will bring.Once again the 2nd
generation of Jazz ownership has shown their inability to make a sound decision.
If anyone should be getting paid max money on the Jazz it would be Favors.
Wow-- really? I'm not sure he is worth it but we are about to find out.
Oh my gosh. Are you kidding me? This is the worst money the Jazz have ever
I think it is a mistake, he isn't worth it, but now we'll just have to
hope he makes himself worth it.
This is the biggest mistake on so many levels!!!!. This kid cannot play
basketball we just paid $63 million for nothing more than an inconsistent role
player.I don't think I'm mad at the fact the Jazz retained Gordon
it's just the fact it was a max offer that he doesn't deserve, because
his not a max offer type player. Again I hope Dennis knows what he's doing
sometimes it sure does not seem like it. I'm sure I will get flack for this
comment but everyone is entitled to have their own opinion.
Unbelievable! I need some prozac and the Jazz need new management