Yes freedom fighter, administrators have more credentials than just a teaching
certificate but in order to be an administrator one has to possess a teaching
certificate to even be considered. Being a good teacher or even being a great
teacher does not guarantee one to be a good principal or superintendent.And good job freedom fighter for being in education for forty years but the
question would be, would you be a good administrator?We should pay good
teachers well, we should help poor teachers become better if possible and we
should hire good business people to run our schools and those administrators
should not be paid over six figures to do a job.We turn teachers into
principals not because they are always good at it but because they have a piece
of paper. Some transfer well and some do not but they all stay.If we want
better education then we need to revamp everything in order to be successful.
As a teacher for 38 years, I agree with most of what John says. Our state
legislature complains about federal government mandates in education, yet they
do the same thing on the state level. It is the state school board's job to
make decisions statewide for public education. All local decisions should be up
to local school boards who are elected by the people. The best government is
that government closest to the people. Over the years I have seen some well
meaning mandates, but it is not the place of my legislator to do that. Let local
boards decide if schools say the pledge to our flag once a day or once a week.
Let local boards recommend to teachers how to teach the concepts of a
representative democracy (which means the same as a republic) instead of a
mandate to call our system a compound constitutional republic. (By the way, the
real reason is because republic sounds closer to republican and democracy sounds
like democrat) Ask yourself who is trying to really indoctrinate our children.
It ain't the Common Core.
Mike R is right... to a degree. My parents were career educators.
They had issues w/ the legislature and funding. Their big beef was incompetent
paper shuffling bureaucrats with no classroom experience.
No testing, no legislative oversight, tenure. It is interesting that so many
would like to turn over billions of dollars to "experts"" and
tell everybody to keep their noses out because they know what they are doing.
As a taxpayer, I want oversight and testing to make sure that my money is well
spent and to ensure my kids are learning what they need to know. My kids have
encountered several teachers that had a poor command of their subject and others
who were more interested in political indoctrination than teaching their
subject.I want my kids tested frequently to know what they need help
in. Just because something is new does not mean it is better. I now have to
college grads who learned the old way and who are headed to national
universities for graduate schools very well prepared for the new economy. I am
glad we did not simply rely on "the experts" and social engineers.
Re: Mike Richards "Get the most experienced teachers out of the district
offices and put them back into the school room."But here's
a problem: in the education trade the only way to better one's economic
position if one is a teacher is to go into administration. Administrators
should not be paid more than teachers. The present system places more value on
administration than teaching, and it shows.
Re: 10cc "Likewise, the science of education should be left to the people
with the most expertise in the physiology of learning, the psychology of
education, how other nations achieve education excellence, and the sociological
factors involved. "I respectfully disagree. In today's
digital arena, many different types of people can "do" education,
whether they have PhD's in education, teaching certificates, or lack either
one. For example, a person with the math degree can probably teach
math online if able to use the right online tools. The same is true for any of
a number of subjects. That there needs to be some common measure of
accomplishment I do not doubt, but today's information climate is changing
so rapidly that many who have not been part of "education" can be part
of it now. State policy must accept this fact.
Instead of getting legislators (who provide the bulk of school funding) out of
the loop, let's exile the teachers unions, the federal government, and the
closed shop rules that empower the "education industry" to indoctrinate
and certify teachers.Many changes are needed, and we should start by
making it easier to fire bad teachers, Not that many, but one is too many if
your kid gets stuck in their class!
@ high school fan"Much in education needs to change.
Legislatures need to be more removed, bad teachers need to be let go,
administrators need better qualifications than just a teachers certificate.
Schools need to be innovative and ran more efficiently and the curriculum needs
major adjustment.All need to buy into an overhaul for true success to be
had."After nearly 40 years of public education experience
I've never known of a single administrator in public schools that have only
had a teaching certificate. All had at least a masters degree and most had PHDs.
All had to obtain an administrative certificate. Perhaps you were
describing the unaccountable and unregulated private schools in utah that our
legislators are so connected at the hip to? Or do you have more
public teaching experience than me?
Education is the largest item on the State's budget. I want my
representative to vote on that spending, particularly when educators keep
kicking the can down the road as they tell us that if they just had more money,
they could do their job properly.No amount of money will solve the
problems that have been created by the UEA, by bloated school districts and by
teachers who cannot be fired for being incompetent. Get the most experienced
teachers out of the district offices and put them back into the school room.
Get rid of teachers who care more about their pensions than they care about
their students. Get sports out of the schools. Sell off the acres and acres of
"practice fields" and concentrate on academics. When schools are
churning out thousands of illiterate "graduates" every year who
can't read, can't write and can't balance a checkbook, the
problem is at the core, not in the legislature.
10CC:Generally agree but I would leave more plate for the actual
classroom teacher to be part of the equation.Where the legislature
can actually help is actually fund education to reduce class sizes, increase
teacher salaries and restore benefits. This will help the morale of the
teachers across the state and I will always maintain, happier teachers make
better teachers. When teachers feel appreciated and are decently compensated,
we will retain the best teachers and attract the best to the profession. In the
end the children will win.
iPads will be very helpful to a students education. You know some years back,
they stopped lecturing and actually printed books. It cost money too.
Florez is exactly right that the Legislature meddling with education has been
not just ineffective, but counterproductive.Should the Legislature
be involved in the details for setting standards for physicians? I think
everyone - except possibly the Legislators themselves - will consider this is a
bad idea.Likewise, the science of education should be left to the
people with the most expertise in the physiology of learning, the psychology of
education, how other nations achieve education excellence, and the sociological
factors involved. This would be professors of Education and related
disciplines, at our best universities in this state: USU, Weber, the U of U, and
BYU.Once this Commission of Experts lays out a plan, it should be
respected and given a decade to be judged as effective or ineffective. Making yearly changes prompted by one special interest or another is
absolutely a terrible idea, as Florez convincingly describes.
Once again John Flores is on the mark. For Utah's sake I'm hoping
that we all are paying attention.
Our legislators won't. There's too much money to be made. Howard
Stephenson and Curt Gramble, two of the state's top senators have financial
interests in the privatization of education. The very speaker of the House tried
to ramrod a $300 million dollar bill which would provide iPads to all students.
Guess who would provide the iPads? You guessed it, her husband's
company.There's just too much money involved. Until we get
campaign finance reform and eliminate special interests and vote democrat,
nothing will change. The party in utah knows it can do whatever it wants wih
zero accountability. Just look at how Shurtleff and Swallow are still free.
Schools are paid for with tax money. Most importantly state universities and
community colleges which is what schools prepare students for, even private
colleges get public funds for grants and loan money, Government must be
involved. If government were not involved it would rest on the interest of the
teachers union and the still the businesses that sell products related to
There thing to realize about the legislature are the competing interests. You
have some who really value public education and want to improve it and therefore
are willing to listen to the real experts, the people who have been trained and
are doing the work in the classrooms. Others are the self proclaimed experts
who want to privatize and profitize education for their benefit and their
cronies. Still others have agendas to minimize government at all costs. Others
who have a ultraconservative social agenda. All these try to promote their
agendas via the schools. And who suffers? The children.
Much in education needs to change. Legislatures need to be more removed, bad
teachers need to be let go, administrators need better qualifications than just
a teachers certificate. Schools need to be innovative and ran more efficiently
and the curriculum needs major adjustment.All need to buy into an overhaul
for true success to be had.