Published: Saturday, July 12 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
Of course there will be a flurry of rebuttal, and some will no doubt cite East
Anglia University as if that decided the matter.From Environment
Canada: The fitted linear trend indicates that winter temperatures averaged
across the nation have warmed by 3.0°C over the past 67 years (a lot!).
The data are what they are.Now if we were to restrict ourselves to
the last 10 years, for example, we would likely get a downward sloping trend
line, hence claims that the climate is cooling over the last 10 years, but what
of the longer trend?Climate science involves a lot of statistics,
and sophistication with statistical technique. It is as difficult as
biostatistics and epidemiology. My experience is that climate change deniers do
not pay enough attention to proper statistical technique. Let the
United States industries have a long and shameful history of producing products
hazardous to the American populous. The list includes lead in paint
in gasoline and paint, asbestos insulation, cigarettes, cars without safety
belts, acid rain from coal burning etc. etc.Industry tries to
counter these threats with well funded denial based on bogus "science",
and threats of economic catastrophe, but eventually the facts play out and the
problems are taken care of through responsible legislation. Human
caused climate change is following the same pattern.
Perhaps the letter writer should check the nature of those who are promoting
global warming alarmism. Do they have a history of hiding data and methods? Are
they willing to debate the issue? Do their websites allow free discussion? Do
they try to find ways to "hide the decline" and dodge FOIA requests? Do
they alter their data in a way that enhances claims of warming? Do they invent
statistical methods that create warming trends from random data? Have any of
them seen a significant increase in personal wealth as a result of their
alarmism?He might also want to fact check the 97% number. The most
recent version of that number comes from a survey of scientific papers in which
97% of the papers did not explicitly oppose AGW. In fact, only 0.5% of the
papers take an explicit position supporting AGW. The same logic that is used for
the 97% number suggests that it would be just as accurate to say that 99.5% of
climate scientists DON'T agree with AGW. In reality, 0.5% of the papers
agree and 3% disagree, while the others take no position. The debate is far from
Sadly, some scientists have allowed their research to become political. Science
is not politics. Science is a demonstrable way of ferreting out truth.
Politics is a way to convince others of your point of view, and increasingly
plays fast and loose with truth.Britain has recently enacted a rule
that says its "equal time" provisions (that allow non-scientific and
unproven views air time on a par with known science and verifiable facts) be
voided for silly nonsense. The effect of this action is to limit the time of
creationists on television, climate deniers as well. There is no public good to
be associated with these ideas. Our country will never enact such a
rule for a variety of reasons. One is the freedom of speech. Any fool can
shout from the mountaintops that the earth is flat, and it is perfectly legal.
Our American problem with this right is that we have a lot of other fools who
believe the shouter that the earth is indeed flat. Our burden and our politics.
Oh the irony and hypocrisy of this letter, you are never supposed to doubt man
made climate change, like we can control the weather anyway. Just a way to
control us and take away our prosperity. If people were this hysterical before
would be living in horse and buggy days.
David, no one cares about your cause! UNTIL! It effects their personal world.
When all the deer and elk die the hunters will care. When all the fish die the
fishermen will care. When drinking water becomes a real commodity people will
begin to care. When all these things happen the finger pointing will begin and
the blame will be placed on those Liberals.It is sad that people
will not wake up till it is to late.
Look at the economics.When the federal government was concluding and
beginning to assertively declare that smoking is bad for human beings, there
were highly educated "experts" who took opposite opinions, publically.
Of course, they worked for the tobacco companies.Today most of the
scientists in the "climate change" camp are funded by government, which
implies they have an interest in proclaiming climate change, to keep the
government grant money coming. Except that with Sequestration, grant funding
has been cut.If these scientists were looking out for their own
individual economic interests, they would switch sides in droves, and be paid
handsomely by the oil companies.That's not happening. These
scientists are hanging on to a dwindling economic payout, for themselves.
Either they're not very bright, or they're telling the truth.
BIG Oil is just using the same thing BIG Tobacco did 50 years ago.They are using an old Defense Lawyer tactic -- Do not
"dis-prove" reality, only instill doubt.Then they single out
just one jury member, the one with the weakest mind, and emotion driven
over logic.That way, a 100% verdict can never be reached.
"When I check out a story that raises doubt about human-caused climate
change, I consistently find the source tied to an ideologically driven
organization focused on spreading doubt on the reality of what is
happening."Really?Then why didn't you note that
the "97% of scientists believe in man made global warming" is an easily
debinked figure that comes from a biased source?Climate change
exists (as it always has), but man made climate hysteria is the bigger problem
There's a new poll, just out, that alarmists can use freely to justify
curtailing the use of fossil fuel.600 delegates at the Heartland
Institute’s Ninth International Climate Change Conference were asked if
humans have influenced the climate. Remember, these are the "deniers" to
whom Folland's letter refers. 100% of them agreed that Man has some effect
on climate!Alarmists everywhere can now stop using the phony 97%
figure and now say: "One hundred percent of climate change deniers believe
that humans change climate".
It seems like the common thing to mention lately is that NOAA adjustment that
put July 1936 ahead of 2012. This was a result of a change in NOAAs dataset that
was used. For more information (this took me forever to find since
putting in things like "NOAA explains 2012 1936 year change" kept only
getting AGW skeptic sites railing against NOAA) one should look at NOAA's
March 12th article "Transitioning to a Gridded Climate Divisional
Dataset". So those claims that NOAA did this quietly are worthless,
it's not NOAAs fault that the things they post on their site don't
always get national coverage by the media. If you start playing with
the visualization tools there you'd find that the new dataset they're
using tends to increase the winter trend in temperatures, decrease the summer
trend (there's the July thing), and the overall annual trend is increased
by what I think is a statistically insignificant margin (so the idea that NOAA
made a hidden adjustment because they didn't want to show cooling is
incorrect too). 2012 remains the warmest year on record for the contiguous U.S.
A 49 degree day in the month of June for Salt Lake. We are just burning alive.
Well said Marxists. Though, I'm not sure a "controversy" exists at
all. Nearly the entire global population, scientists, climatologists, etc...
all have reviewed the data and agree. The only group not on board is,
predictably, American conservatives - which constitute a very small percentage
of the global community. These are the same people that opposed or currently
oppose freeing the slaves, interracial marriage, women's rights,
worker's rights, and SSM, among so many other things. So, at
what point do we simply admit that the only people who question anthropogenic
climate change are the people who have historically been wrong on every major
issue since our Nation's inception? At what point do we tell them openly
that their position literally has no merit and move forward without them? At this point, every day that we lag in taking proactive measures
imperils us all so we need to begin to treat the opinions of naysayers
appropriately by literally excluding them from the discussion. Their opinions
have no merit and thus they should no be afforded a seat at the table to find a
One thing about science is that it is always learning additional factors
previously undiscovered. This is what is happening with climate science. I hope
the 97% are overreacting but unfortunately you can't guarantee it.
"Preparation precedes power". I am afraid we will soon be forced to pull
our heads out, of the sand.
The vast petrochemical industry is feeding enormous amounts of misinformation to
the public on this issue. Of course, there's a lot of money at stake. Who
can make a buck off free solar energy?
@Pops"In fact, only 0.5% of the papers take an explicit position
supporting AGW. "For most papers in the field a statement
supporting or opposing AGW to be irrelevant to the subject of the paper at hand.
It would be faulty to say 99.5% of papers oppose AGW because the study
didn't say 97% of papers support AGW, just that 97% of papers that took a
position supported AGW (so it's not meant to be viewed as 97% of all
papers)." In reality, 0.5% of the papers agree and 3%
disagree"That's incorrect, since the 3% disagree is pulled
from 97-3 so you're comparing 1. the percentage of all papers that
say AGW is occurring (.5%) with 2. the percentage of papers, that take a
position, that say AGW isn't occurring (3%). It should be
either percentage of all papers for both, or percentage of papers that take a
position for both, not a mix of the two.
We almost have agreement on what caused the "little ice age" that
destroyed the Norse Settlements in Greenland and probable prevented them from
gaining a lasting foothold in Vinland. A volcanic eruption in Southeast Asia on
the ring of fire. Now we are told that the current cold snap in the Midwest is
caused because of the hurricane that hit Japan a few days ago. We cant control
the weather. But now the climatologists can predict the climate and tell us how
to change it years into the future. Climate has always changed. Hubris
is thinking mankind can now predict it let alone control it. Start
watching "when weather changed the world" on the weather channel. It is
more productive than debating Anthropogenic Climate Change.
Eat Butter is the cover story of a recent edition of Time magazine. Turns out
all the studies re the evils of fat and the scientific consensus regarding the
food pyramid were all wrong. Funny, I thought all that stuff was settled
science long ago. Guess some will have to recalibrate and adapt.Makes you wonder what they'll be saying about climate science in 50
years. I'm an advocate of moderation in all things and being a
thoughtful steward of the environment.I think you can take that
approach without having to buy in to all of the doomsday scenarios from
mathematical models that are heavy on assumptions that project current behavior
50 or more years into the future which ignores innovation (I suspect little that
we do today is identical to what was done 50 years ago).If in 50
years Time Magazine says climate science was all wrong, it won't change my
approach at all. I don't need science to convince me to be a thoughtful
steward.BTW, I'll continue to eat butter in moderation as
I've always done,
@liberal larry Do your drive a car? Live in a home with heating and Air
Conditioning? You obviously use a computer and use electricity, eat food taken
care of by Tractors and Combines with fuel. If so it is a bit hypocritical to
complain about what the US does when our country feeds the world with it's
technology and we live longer than we used too.
Tons of carbon a second does affect the environment. Next inversion lets all
light a bon fire to prove it is false or invite the coal rollers to all drive
down State street.
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