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Published: Friday, July 11 2014 6:00 p.m. MDT

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10CC
Bountiful, UT

This will be fascinating, because Sotomayor is the Supreme Court Justice for the 10th Circuit, in charge of issuing a stay, or letting the 10th Circuit ruling rule.

Justices Sotomayor, Ginsberg, and Elena Kagan issued a blistering dissent in a very quickly ruled case last week about birth control (not the Hobby Lobby decision). The dissent accused the majority of making a mockery of their own decisions, and undermining societal support in the institution of the Supreme Court.

Is our Supreme Court itself becoming so divided that Sotomayor may try to more assertively rule? I would like to think not, and if she issues a stay, conservatives in Utah should be very appreciative of Sotomayor.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

@Rock:

The welfare of the children was also the rationale used to defend laws against interracial marriage. Though things have gotten much better in our society over time, there may still be some negative effect for the children of interracial marriages today.

Does this mean we need to re-institute bans on interracial marriage?

There are fairly high rates of suicide of gay teenagers in Utah. Does this mean a closer inspection of their situations should be undertaken, and if reasonable and unbiased people conclude perhaps their religious upbringing is a part of the problem, does this mean government should limit some religious marriages?

I would hope not.

JBQ
Saint Louis, MO

What is really at issue here is not the rights of gays to marry. It is the right for the people of Utah to set their own standards for society. If the ACLU considers the right of gays to marry such a grave issue, then them campaign to the people of Utah to support such an important right. They refuse to do so and have tapped into a network of left wing judges with an agenda. Obviously, at the time that the Constitution was written, there were few visible gay relationships. This was not an inherent right for that document. The Judeo-Christian tradition was seen in the approval of those that signed. Now, we have a judicial system which tells the people of Utah that they are immature in their view of the world. Justice Anthony Kennedy, the swing vote on the Supreme Court, has made it known that gay marriage is the wave of the future. However, the people must decide this and not a federal government. Charles Krauthammer has concurred. King George dictated to the colonies. Rebellion resulted. Issues such as Common Core and abortion are not far behind in the federal agenda.

hockeymom
Highland, UT

@ Primary Chorister

You must be aware that the Primary Theme this year is "Families are Forever"? I assume you are singing those songs with those kids in your ward - or are you not paying attention to what the Primary Sharing Time Outline says? The fact is that ANYTHING that takes us away from God's Plan for His children takes us further away from Him.

When I saw the outline for 2014, I knew, as Primary President, that it was no accident that the theme this year was chosen to solidify for us all, especially those right here in Utah, what God's plan is for us, even amidst the turmoil we see in the news. Abortion, Divorce, Abuse, Women in the Priesthood and yes, SSM are all hot topics right now in Utah. We, within the church have an obligation to lend our voices to remind others what the Lord would have us do.

I think you need to re-examine what you really believe and align it with what you are teaching those little ones through song on Sundays. Just a thought.

hockeymom
Highland, UT

@ koseighty

Is it possible the Agnostic/Atheist group reports lower divorce rates because fewer of them actually marry? Not believing it is necessary, I mean, because they don't believe in a God who wants it? More Christians divorce because more of them are marrying? Please clarify the terms of the study and it's source.

Robert Johnson
Sunland, CA

A message to the opponents of marriage equality: Wake up. Even Scalia said the writing is on the wall. You are fighting a lost cause for bigotry and injustice. America is progressing towards freedom and equality whether you are willing to admit it or not.

ThornBirds
St.George, UT

Just think how the money that is being spent on legal costs could be used to help children and families who are struggling.
It is difficult to understand how such intelligent and informed folks cannot see that they are pursuing something that they simply will not win.
This lengthy and expensive court fight will be remembered, catalogued in history right beside the other recent unfortunate decisions made by Utah's government officials.
It may turn out that the State of Utah will be famous in a much different way than it's leaders had hoped.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Utah should stand up for the right to let each of us- all inclusive "We The People"- have a voice in decisions about, and defense of, marriage. A choice for, and about, each one of us. Individually. The state must work toward empowering individual freedoms wherever possible, and not let the mob rule. That's just socialism.

EstoPerpetua
Holden, MA

Marrying to have children is no longer supported by a large percentage of younger heterosexuals, they have children without marrying. Values based on facts, not speculations, are in the best interests of our society. My 52 year loving relationship with my partner and 10 year marriage is based on the facts of who we are. Two gay men who have served their country, worked and paid federal, state, social security, medicare, and property taxes, are now retired and living the American dream. Fortunately we live in America which is a nation of laws which provides us the pursuit of happiness and as its citizens continue to learn who we are, they support equality. Love wins and will continue to win as we move forward.

Light and Liberty
St. George/Washington, UT

Primary Chorister: When God says to not put something "asunder, " I pretty much think it is a good idea to not contradict Him! God is not the the Grandpa in heaven that pats our head no matter what we do! He actually has said that marriage is only between a man and a women? I am pretty sure he means what He said! I am absolutely certain he doesn't look down from yonder heaven and says, "sure, go ahead and change my definition of marriage. It is no big deal! Life is good! just be happy!" Wow, I am not going to change Him into the image I want Him to be. I think He is pretty secure about who He is and what He stands for, don't you think?

Bob A. Bohey
Marlborough, MA

To Joan Watson and all who oppose equal rights for the LBGT community. Simply put, whatever your justification, you are completely wrong. I know this to be true through through the faith and testimonies of those who are in favor of equal rights for all.

omahahusker
Modesto, CA

The proliferation of same sex marriage is another step in the downward decline of America. God won't punish the citizens here on earth, but he will stand by as we destroy each other. We the people tried to do the right thing. Hollywood, corrupt politicians and agenda driven judges put us on this path. Marriage is between a man and woman. If a same sex loving couple want a civil union so they can share their lifestyle, so be it. Please don't corrupt the word marriage. That is not hateful, that is how we compromise in a just society.

nonceleb
Salt Lake City, UT

At my last count (it seems to increase weekly) states with SSM bans are 0-21. The Supreme Court struck down DOMA and let a lower court ruling striking down California's Prop 8 stand. Is Utah's appeal that superior? What a waste of time and taxpayer's money.

Light and Liberty
St. George/Washington, UT

Wilf 55:would you also call legalization of polygamy the mark of a civilized society? You call legalization of SSM a tolerate anything society, but I doubt most folks would concur that a civilized society is one where a child can't have both a father and a mother, or that any action, whether legal or illegal, is tolerated!

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

The end of the stay is near. This could be horrific, or no big deal whatsoever.

El Chango Supremo
Rexburg, ID

Marriage between a man & a woman is the only marriage that makes sense!

A Quaker
Brooklyn, NY

@omahahusker: This lawsuit concerns Utah Amendment 3. Perhaps if Utah had not banned even civil unions in their zeal to express disapproval of homosexuality, what you suggest would be a possibility. But, Utah went for ALL the marbles. No marriage. No civil ceremonies. Declaring void any legal marriage performed elsewhere.

The resultant Amendment is so transparently an expression of a desire to disadvantage and punish a minority whose "lifestyle" (and by "lifestyle," I mean life) otherwise violates no law. It's hard, even ex post facto, to come up with a legal theory supporting a legitimate state interest. How would any higher court ever allow such an expression of raw animus, devoid of any legitimate governmental interest, to stand?

I think we're in the process of finding out that they don't.

HENELSON
lindon, UT

We the people of the state of Utah have the responsibility and sovereign right to govern ourselves and pass laws that we believe to be best. We delegate a portion of our rights to the State and a smaller portion to our Federal government. Amendment three is the voice of the people of Utah. Although a small portion of Utah citizen's do not agree with this law, the majority do AND that majority have collective rights to pass this law. When judges override the voice of the people we know that our freedom to organize is at risk of "philosopher kings". Our founders gave us the right to pass this law and they reserved to the state more rights than that of the feds. Do not be confused - we have the right. We can be diverse and lead this nation even if misunderstood by those who disagree. We still exercise our rights and defend this core value. We the People of the State of Utah are sovereign and we make and pass laws that we believe are best. Thank you Sean Reyes and Gary Herbert for defending our law and the voice of the people!

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

@HENELSON 10:58 p.m. July 13, 2014

Yes we have the right to make and pass laws that we believe are best PROVIDED they do not violate the provisions of the United States Constitution. with Amendment 3, the judge rightly overturned a law that violates the United States Constitution. Thanks to the judges for correctly doing their job.

So tell me this -- if the people of Utah passed a law that denied women in Utah the right to vote, thinking that it was a law that we believed was best, what do you think the judges should do with it?

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

JBQ says:

"What is really at issue here is not the rights of gays to marry. It is the right for the people of Utah to set their own standards for society."

Bigotry is a pretty poor standard to set for society.

The USA is a multi-cultural society, not a "Judeo-Christian" society.

@hockeymom;

Bigotry and discrimination take you further away from god; think about it.

@Light and Liberty;

God didn't say anything about marriage (psst; he doesn't exist).

@omahahusker;

You heterosexuals have "corrupted" the word marriage all by yourselves. You need our help to correct the situation.

Light and Liberty says:

"would you also call legalization of polygamy the mark of a civilized society?"

I hope you're not LDS; that would be just too ironic.

@HENELSON;

WE too are "the people"; and we are citizens, protected by the US Constitution.

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