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  • Allyn Los Angeles, CA
    Nov. 6, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    Obama seeks greater control through government over non-criminal human action, while Mormon theology has it that God believes strongly in human agency.

  • Muchashca Provo, UT
    Nov. 5, 2014 8:40 p.m.

    So much race-baiting and hate in these comments. So many claim that the Church is brainwashing or forcing its members to vote a certain way, but honestly, I've hardly heard any political discourse during the last few decades in church. Beyond the classic, "Freedom is Important" talks, nothing. Many members are politically involved, something the Church encourages, and they do talk politics among themselves.

    Now, let's make the answer to this question easy:
    Democrats support abortion, something strongly condemned by Christian values.
    Democrats support gay lifestyles, something directly condemned in the Bible.
    Democrats have a long history of fiscal irresponsibility, something discouraged by the Church.

    Could go on, but those are the major points.

  • arc1791 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 3, 2014 1:18 p.m.

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    - “Eighty percent of Americans support including higher taxes as part of the [debt ceiling] deal.” However, that same week, a poll by Rasmussen showed only 34 percent supported a tax hike as part of the deal.
    - In 2006: “America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I, therefore, intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.” But as president, Obama has led the charge each year to increase America’s debt.
    - And, let’s not forget PolitiFact’s 2013 Lie Of The Year: “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what. … You can keep your family doctor.”

    I could go on and on, but you get the picture!

  • arc1791 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 3, 2014 1:18 p.m.

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    - “The sequester is not something that I’ve proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed.” The truth is that the White House proposed an “automatic sequester” on July 12, 2011.
    - “I didn’t set a red line [in Syria].” And yet, at a prior news conference, using unscripted language in a statement, he said, “a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around.”
    - “It’s here that companies like Solyndra are leading the way toward a brighter and more prosperous future.” After Obama’s administration gave the company $535 million, Solyndra and its solar panels went belly up.
    - To Israel, “We have not only made sure that they [Iran] have to stop adding additional centrifuges, we’ve also said that they’ve got to roll back their 20 percent advanced enrichment … down to zero.” In fact, the deal allows Iran uranium enrichment of 5 percent.

  • arc1791 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 3, 2014 1:17 p.m.

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    - We “will ensure that federal contracts over $25,000 are competitively bid.”
    - We “will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year.”
    - “We are going to work with you to lower your [health care] premiums by $2,500,” and we’ll “do it by the end of my first term as president.”
    - “I don’t take a dime of their [lobbyists’] money, and when I am president, they won’t find a job in my White House.” In fact, Obama granted waivers at will, and more than a dozen lobbyists got jobs in the Obama administration.
    - “I pledge to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.” But Obama has ignored the constitutional amendment granting powers not enumerated in the Constitution to the states.
    - “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

  • arc1791 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 3, 2014 1:16 p.m.

    1) Barack Hussein Obama is far and away the most dishonest President in American history. Here are just a few of his whoppers:

    - “We will close the detention camp in Guantanamo Bay.” Still open.
    - “If we have not gotten our troops out [of Iraq] by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do.” Didn’t happen.
    - “Today I’m pledging to cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term in office.” Instead, the national debt increased $5 trillion on his watch.
    - “As soon as we’re out of this recession, we’ve got to get serious about starting to live within our means.” Huh?
    - “We agree on reforms that will reduce the costs of health care. Families will save on their premiums.”
    - “We’ve got shovel-ready projects all across the country.” Later, Obama admitted his own lie, saying, “There’s no such thing as shovel-ready projects.”
    - “We reject the use of national security … to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime.”

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Nov. 2, 2014 5:26 p.m.

    1. Obama is black.
    2. Obama is not Mormon.
    3. Obama is a Democrat.
    4. Obama is educated.

    Utah is famous for eating up Right Wing propaganda.

  • Dr. Thom Long Beach, CA
    Oct. 22, 2014 9:13 a.m.

    My guess is because he is incompetent and obviously over his head in all things related to governing the most powerful nation in the world.

  • SeaBreeze San Francisco, CA
    Oct. 22, 2014 4:15 a.m.

    RedWings in CLEARFIELD, UT wrote: "I find less and less of a correlation between the doctrines of my faith (LDS) and either political party. Republicans seem to not understand charity and helping their neighbor. "

    You are quite wrong about this anecdotal assertion. Research by the head of AEI (American Enterprise Institute), a DC-based think tank, shows just the opposite. Arthur Brooks was trained at Rand Corporation which makes him a massive data geek. His book "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Conservative Conservativism" was researched when he was a born & bred mainstream Democrat liberal. But the data told the opposite story: That conservatives were FAR more charitable & philanthropic even AFTER one discounted donations to one's church. And this remained true at ALL income levels, high to low. Because of his own research, Brooks ended up becoming a conservative himself and leaving the Democrats (who are actually Leftists/Socialists today).

    So, your statement may be your limited personal experience, but the broader data says exactly the opposite to what you said about Republicans & charitableness & helping one's neighbor.

  • Nanook of the North Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 20, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    Why? Based on my conversations with Mormons who don't like Obama, 3 reasons.

    1) Too many members think "To be a good Mormon, you have to be a staunch Republican," so they'd disapprove of ANY Democratic politician.

    2) Ignorance. People tell me "Obama's a socialist." I tell them "No, I'M a socialist! Seriously! I belong to, vote for, and have served on district councils for a socialist political party. Trust me, Obama's not even CLOSE to being a socialist. Would the Dow Jones have more than doubled under a socialist president?"

    3) Racism and fear. No one will say it out loud, but I've seen people VISIBLY shudder at the mention of Obama's name, in a way that they don't for anyone else's name. Too many people are still irrationally afraid of black people.

    I'm not a big Obama fan, and I'm not a supporter of the Democratic party. But President Obama has still been a far better result for America than either "President McCain" or "President Romney" would have been.

  • Ray E. LITTLETON, CO
    Oct. 19, 2014 1:19 p.m.

    @Craig Clark of Boulder, I agree with you that Mormons have no issue with President Obama personally, but I disagree with your statement that Church authorities have spent the last century preaching political conservatism from the pulpit. What church leaders preach is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Believers in that gospel, LDS or otherwise, take it from there. In case you haven't noticed, the political party to which Obama belongs has gradually and consistently distanced itself from many of Christianity's most important teachings, including, but certainly not limited to, a belief in the very existence of God, and His influence on the foundation of our nation.

  • daver Provo, 00
    Oct. 7, 2014 1:45 p.m.

    Flawed premise and consequently ridiculous question.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 6, 2014 6:03 p.m.

    I can't speak for all Mormons, but for me, I disapprove of any leader who continuously can't speak the truth.

    With Obama, it's a long list.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2014 2:41 p.m.

    "The low approval rating amongst Mormons is “colored no doubt by the President’s defeat of Mormon Republican challenger Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential election,” wrote Leslie Larson of the Daily News."

    Anything in the polling that would back that up or is it conjecture on the part of Ms Larson?

  • bc1050 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 30, 2014 10:30 a.m.

    Obama highest approval rating is from Muslims.... lowest from Christians and Mormons being the lowest,that say a lot!

  • sg newhall, CA
    Sept. 29, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    Iron Guy wake up. Obama has done nothing in making America stronger and safer. Corruption runs rampant in this administration from top to bottom. We have a living liar occupying the White House, not an American. A foreign born. Thus ineligible per The Constitution. A lying muslim feigning to be Christian. When you have 70% of muslims approval rating, that number speaks volumes as to where his allegiance is. Even in his own writings did he say that he would side with the muslims if and when the winds changed direction. Obama is a dangerous man who should never have been made president. As our Founding Fathers warned, he is a domestic enemy and thus should be treated as such.

  • bc1050 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 27, 2014 3:42 p.m.

    Obama doesn't hold the same values as Mormons do, in fact Obama doesn't hold the values of the majority of Americans....

    Obama was elected twice not because of the strength of his character, but rather because of his skin color.

  • Mkithpen Sandy, UT
    Sept. 26, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    It has nothing to do with religion. It's simple, President Obama is the worst President in US history as time will prove. The LDS community may just be more involved and watching politics as they are encouraged to be involved in their communities.

  • netsrik Draper, UT
    Sept. 25, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    Why do members of the LDS Church disapprove of President Obama?

    That's easy. He's a Democrat and beat Romney. 'Nuff said.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Sept. 24, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    I'm an Idaho-born libertarian. My father often said that no Democrat could be a good Mormon. He was sympathetic to the John Birch Society. But Mormons in Idaho were no more conservative than anybody else in Idaho. That is no-doubt true of the rest of the intermountain west.

    However, in Connecticut, my ward was extremely liberal, consisting of blacks, italians, Puerto Ricans, Irish, e.g. the melting pot that is the east coast. The only Mormon Communist I've ever met was an active member of the ward.

    I live in Orange County, the most conservative district in California. There, the GOP reigns supreme, and the church leadership there are mostly republican. As a libertarian, I see more attacks on liberty by the GOP than by the Democrats. And I don't agree that social welfare and healthcare is bad. Taxes are necessary to maintain our civilization. Don't believe me? Go to any latin American country. Try India, Indonesia, even Thailand. Those people are too poor to pay taxes. You would not trade places with them.

    I don't give this survey much credit, but it does reflect the intermountain west, methinks.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 23, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    The Mormons were actively biased against blacks upto 1978, so now it continues, but a little moe subrosa.

  • BobF2012 kitchener, 00
    July 19, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    It seems to me that many Mormons were blinded to Mitt Romney's horrible policies by the fact that he's LDS. As the article mentions, they are 'angry' with President Obama for defeating him. I'm an active Latter-Day Saint, and my only real argument with the President is his unflinching support for apartheid Israel, and his tolerance for and financing of the brutal oppression of the Palestinian people. If it weren't for that huge blot on his record, I would have said he's a great president.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    July 19, 2014 12:01 a.m.

    Why do so many mormons not only dislike the President, but repeat awful untruths about him from Brietbart, Fox, Beck, etc?

    Because he defeated their status symbol.
    Latter day saints tend to be very staunch republicans.
    Allowing that he has done his best means realizing Bush's failures.
    Christian charity and understanding do not seem to apply in many comments.
    Kenyan background is too foreign for them.

    If you want to understand the deepest reason, read all of the first letters above, please.

  • odelltrclan Gilbert, AZ
    July 18, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    Its hard to believe that Obama supporters have the gall to try and gather his support in Deseret News. If anyone pays much attention in the world and see the lies, the deceit, the disregard for the Constitution (read the B of M concerning this), the support for causes that are contrary to gospel values, and the countless scandals, you wonder why there is little support for Obama? He is a Narcissist. The things he constantly does alienate this country and are beneath his office. If any other Republican president did half of the things this man has done they would have been vilified and run out of office already.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    July 18, 2014 10:14 a.m.

    Where is the poll that shows what percent of minorities who voted for Mitt Romney ?
    Why is there no attempt to portray that in questionable light ?

    I'm serious.

    Never in the history of the United States did a collected racial entity vote near exclusively for a candidate of their own race. Some polls showed 93-94% of blacks voted for Pres. Obama. 93% ? On issues ? I doubt it. Substantial sympathy or affinity vote, sure. That overweight voting percentage provided the raw count of votes that elected him. I wonder if that would happen again if he could run for a 3rd term, and if it will happen again if another black were to gain the nomination again soon.

  • Jack Aurora, CO
    July 17, 2014 7:32 p.m.

    @ Open-minded - check your facts about the military. The military wasn't beaten by the terrorists, our politicians capitulated to them. Our military wins the battles, our politicians give it back.

    @Screwdriver - you must have gotten your info about "all Republicans" from MSNBC, since your assertion about all Republicans want to make all abortion illegal is incorrect. Some do, but most don't. Just like some liberals want abortion on demand, but most understand that such would alienate the centrist Americans. Over generalization leads to incorrect statements.....like that one you made about "all Republicans"...

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    July 17, 2014 5:24 a.m.

    It seems as though Mormons don't find President Obama to be delightsome.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    July 16, 2014 3:59 p.m.

    And my statement that the LDS church stance on abortion has more in common with the libertarian/democrat view than it does with republicans that want to make all abortions illegal. Nowhere did the LDS church say you should ask the government leader if you should have an abortion.

    Republicans would make all abortion illegal even though they have no idea how to enforce it. For thousands of years women have used tea to induce abortion. Now can you imagine the outrage as every woman is investigated for murder after a miscarriage? All Mormon women as well that have a miscarriage - we're a nation of laws after all. That's why it's not going to be made illegal in a free country.

  • Robin V Kalamazoo, MI
    July 16, 2014 10:30 a.m.

    I am a faithful member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I voted twice for President Obama, and I still support him. There is no doubt that LDS members tend to align with the conservative GOP, but that is not a requirement of the faith, and there are many moderates and liberals among us.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    July 16, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    @JoeCapitalist2
    It is clear that you was completely asleep during the grand GWBush years. The lies, wars, Jeff Gannon, 911, destroyed economy and the 400+ scandals. Some how you missed all of this.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 16, 2014 12:00 a.m.

    @Screwdriver

    As far as abortion is concerned, while the church does say that it is ultimately up to the individual and their family and local leaders, they do make it clear that it almost always the worst choice. They say it should only really be considered in cases of rape, incest, or health risk, and even then it is not guaranteed to be the right choice to make.

    You may say that Democrats in general believe abortions should be done for those reasons as well, but the overwhelming majority of them are not. Depending on what study you read the result vary from 1% to 5% of abortions being a result of rape, incest, or legitimate health concern, which is extremely low.

    For more on the subject you can read Elder Nelson's talk in the ensign sometime in 2008 (or around that date, I don't remember exactly when). Also, President Faust made an interesting statement about morality and laws in his article "Serving the Lord and Resisting the Devil" from September 1995, and he talks a lot about abortion as well. I recommend them for a good reading.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    July 15, 2014 10:04 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar, the last time I read the official LDS handbook, abortion was not completely off the table for Mormons. It's a solemn decision to be made carefully within the circle of wife, husband and LDS leaders. It DOES have more in common with the actual democrat or even the libertarian view than republican"s, who would make all abortions illegal.

    But of course since republicans like to base their policies of miss-truths, they will say all democrats are trying to get you to have an abortion or are pro-abortion when Democrats really just take a libertarian view on the subject. Dems believe women and Doctors can handle the responsibility and the government can stay out of it.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    July 15, 2014 7:36 p.m.

    Some commenters of the far right persuasion appear to hate the Obama Democrats like Hamas hates the Jews. In case you haven’t noticed, it is not really a winning formula.

  • Ed from Nebraska Bellevue, NE
    July 15, 2014 3:20 p.m.

    That is an easy question to answer. Sad to say, President Obama is a proven liar (Key word: PROVEN) He cannot be trusted. If you cannot Trust someone and that person lies why would "ANYONE" LDS or anyone else approve of President Obama, or Harry Reid, or Nancy Pelosi. Bottom Line: LDS cannot approve of anyone they do not trust!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 15, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    @steamroller,

    You are wrong in insinuating that the BOM solidifies the DNC stance on helping the poor. The Nephites were very prosperous during the times of Nephi and King Benjamin because they labored and were not idolatrous (they also mention that taxes were lower). On the other hand, they were idolatrous under King Noah (and coincidentally, they mention that taxes were high, or a "burden"). Although the DNC claims to want to help the poor, their actions and policies on things like welfare and foodstamps actually promote idolatry and not self reliance.

    @Screwdriver,

    "A few years ago republicans couldn't stand the name Bush any more than the rest of us. They seem to have rewritten history enough in their own minds to be warming right back up to him."

    After 6 years of Obama, who wouldn't want Bush back?

    And your rant about liberal facts is a lie. I read a brochure from Obama during the 2012 election and he claimed taxes would be lower in his plan and he had references. I checked the reference, and Obama FLAT OUT LIED. So much for "solid, referenced and listed for review". Saying something doesn't make it true.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 15, 2014 12:31 p.m.

    Wow. I haven't been on this article for a few days, but it looks like the liberal sheep are dipping into new lows.

    There are a couple myths I want to dispute:
    Myth #1: Since most Mormons live outside the USA and Obama is popular outside the USA, most Mormons actually support Obama.

    However, note that Muslims overwhelmingly support Obama, and Islam is a very big religion. I do agree that Obama does have some worldwide fans: Hugo Chavez and the Castro family being perhaps his biggest supporters, as well as the more socialist countries (good company, eh?).

    Myth #2: The Democratic platform falls more in align with LDS doctrine than the GOP's.

    Perhaps that might be true if you didn't include stances on abortion, taxes, welfare, government, fiscal responsibility, self reliance, gay marriage, women's rights, etc. Even with things like charity, the DNC may seem close with their lips, but their actions and deeds are far, far from what the gospel teaches. In addition, why do so many liberals leave the church because it conflicts with their political views compared to so few conservatives leaving for the same reason?

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    July 15, 2014 12:03 p.m.

    BTW redshirt, THE BLAZE is not better than FOX. It's the same or worse in it's pursuit of republican "news". It was founded by Glen Beck after all.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    July 15, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    A few years ago republicans couldn't stand the name Bush any more than the rest of us. They seem to have rewritten history enough in their own minds to be warming right back up to him.

    I used to be a republican Mormon until I realized it was based on innuendo, fear and outright lies. I would listen to Rush all the time and because I told myself I was "fair and balanced" I listed to both liberals and conservatives with a note and pen. I never had FACTS from conservatives. Rush would disclaimer a two hour rant with, "we don't yet have all the facts but..." Then 2 hours of rant full of innuendo and factless blame.

    All the while I could fill up a notebook with the references from Randi Rhodes or Thom Hartman who's facts were solid, referenced and listed for review.

  • Atsmith Norwalk, CT
    July 15, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    I'm a mormon who has voted for Obama on both counts. I have very little trust in poll accuracy and equity.
    Making your way to the national political arena requires selling your soul to some degree. Romney, Obama, Paul ... all of them have had to make "compromises" that are unsavory at best. The question is who still has enough moral equity to last 4 or 8 years and incur the least amount of damage? And who has the proper leadership qualities to unite an increasingly politically polarized nation? It's quite a mess. Our best bet actually would have been Jon Huntsman Jr...but who wants a moderate with rational, well-meaning head on his shoulders to run for president? SNL, CNN and Facebook Junkies would lose all their best material!

  • J in AZ San Tan Valley, AZ
    July 15, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    Why do I disapprove, despise really, Mr. Obama? It's really very simple.
    1. Gas was $1.79 per gallon where I am when he took office. It was $3.51 this morning.
    2. The price of food has skyrocketed since he took office.
    3. The price of electricity has climbed significantly he took office.
    4. Because of the "Affordable" Care Act, I now have to pay $6000 as a family deductible when last year it was $1500 and I pay the same in premiums.
    5. Because of the "Affordable" Care Act, we need to find a new specialist to treat my wife for a degenerative disease so that it won't kill her.
    6. The decline in the economy and the failure to secure our borders and enforce immigration law has created an environment where my children cannon find jobs to help them through college.
    7. The decline in the economy since he took office has cost me 40% of the income that I had the day that President Bush left office.

    These are all concrete issues. His fecklessness in forigne and defense policy is just icing on the cake,

  • P Bundy Albuquerque, NM
    July 15, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    Not among the 18% - I support and voted for the President in 2008 and 2012. As a Latter-day Saint the options were clear in both elections. I support and stand by our President.

  • NC Rick Chapel Hill, NC
    July 15, 2014 10:13 a.m.

    Because Mormons are overwhelmingly Republican, and Obama is public enemy #1 for Republicans. 2/3 of Congressional Republicans want to impeach him for crying out loud.

    That said, I am an active, temple-attending Mormon who has always supported the President and continues to do so. No, I don't think he can do no wrong - he has certainly made plenty of mistakes and miscalculations. But at the same time I think he is a good and honorable man who represents our nation well and has been doing all he can to lead our country in a positive direction, all while a certain faction of the opposing party has vilified him and done all in their power to oppose anything the President supports. Shame on them. I believe history will prove Obama to be a very good president given the hand he was dealt and Congressional Republicans of this time will not be viewed in a very positive light.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 15, 2014 9:31 a.m.

    To "Tyler D" please explain your leap in logic. How can it be the fault of Republicans that a budget wasn't passed when the Republicans passed a budget in the House, and it was the Democrats that refused to vote on it? See "Timeline Of Senate Democrats’ Refusal To Make Budget Plans Public" on the Senate website.

    Also see "House Passes New Obamacare Counterproposal " on the Blaze (not Fox).

    There are many articles out there showing how Reid refused to pass a budget that the House had passed. In fact, you can see that the House made all sorts of efforts to prevent shutting the government down, but the Harry Reid wouldn't even bring it up for a vote.

    You can deny it all you want, but the historical records are there that show nothing but obstruction by Harry Reid.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    July 15, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    @RedShirt – “The House passed a budget, but Harry Reid refused to vote on the budget.”

    That Fox/AM Radio kool-aid really did a good job…

    The budget the House passed was unique (as in never in the history of the Republic had it been done) in one respect – it sought to amend a law that was duly passed and upheld by the SC that had nothing to do with the annual appropriation process.

    In the past, when the government has been shut down over the annual budget it is because of an argument within the budget (i.e., dollars appropriated). The ACA has a dedicated revenue stream completely outside the annual appropriation process (I realize this is getting redundant but apparently, and sadly, it seems necessary).

    The government was shut down by right-wing radicals over a fight they couldn’t win either through the ballot box or the normal legislative process. This is why I said in another article comment that today’s “conservatives” have a lot more in common with 60’s radicals than they do traditional conservatism, only with the added hypocrisy of wrapping their radicalism in the flag.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 15, 2014 8:58 a.m.

    "It has little to do with Obama personally so much as the political disposition instilled in Latter-day Saints by a century of General Authorities using the pulpit to make political conservatism virtually a tenet of the faith."

    .....And then there is the Church newspaper--DN-- which pushes, promotes Republicans and the Republican agenda.

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    July 15, 2014 8:27 a.m.

    It's the same as I mentioned in a similar article: the president is a race-baiting socialist. This isn't an insult, it's an objective description of his most comprehensive and consistent actions and reactions to circumstances. He pushes for his agenda whatever way he can, legally or illegally, and blames everyone who disagrees with him when he can't, labeling them as "obstructionists" or "racists".

    Sure, I supported Romney, but it wasn't because he's a member of The Church. Supporting the freedom to own and manage property and protect families and religious liberty are just sort of center-center, common sense positions. I don't disapprove of Obama any more since Romney lost than I otherwise would. Obama didn't beat Romney in the sense of a fisticuffs match; ignorance and fraud spread among -us- is why Romney lost.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 15, 2014 8:10 a.m.

    To "On the other hand" you are living in your own little universe. You are completely wrong on every point.

    Republicans attempted to get regulations that could have prevented this current recession, but Democrats lied to congress and stopped any regulation legislation in committee.

    How does raising the average cost of insurance by over 40% and pushing everybody into high deductible plans make healthcare cheaper? He has made it more expensive.

    Obama has done nothing for Iraq or Afghanistan. Withdrawal from Iraq was negotiated by Bush, and Afghanistan is still a mess.

    Mike Lee did not shut down the government, you give him too much credit. The House passed a budget, but Harry Reid refused to vote on the budget. If you blame anybody, blame the guy who didn't even allow the vote to occur.

    Gun violence isn't the problem. The problem is mental health, and how to identify people that are at risk.

    Obama's leadership has yet to be seen. He has spent 6 years driving the nation into the ground.

  • daveferr Columbus, OH
    July 15, 2014 7:27 a.m.

    As a liberal Mormon/Christian, I think Obama is too conservative. He is "Bush lite." He won't bring our troops home, he isn't fighting to stop military over spending, he only supported same sex marriage AFTER the vice president forced his hand, is "Obamacare" is a free handout to insurance companies rather than are real effort to get more people affordable health care, etc. I don't support Obama because he is a Reagan era Republican, the sane voice for the now crazy GOP, but not a good voice for America.

  • On the other hand Riverdale, MD
    July 14, 2014 11:51 p.m.

    Republican policies of deregulation are largely to blame for the recent recession. President Obama has worked to fix financial regulation and to rebuild the economy.

    Despite the fact that the United States has the most expensive yet least effective medical care in the developed world, Republicans have done little to reduce medical costs, improve medical outcomes, or help all Americans gain access to medical care. The Affordable Care Act isn't the ultimate solution to these issues, but it's far better than anything Republicans have done about these issues.

    Republicans started two long, costly wars in this millennium; the justifications for at least one of those wars have proven to be more or less unfounded. President Obama has worked to end these wars.

    Republicans, led by Utah Republican Mike Lee, shut down the government for 16 days last year, costing our country billions. In the end, Obama's plan prevailed anyway.

    Republicans have prevented the government from funding research on gun violence (including gun violence prevention). President Obama has pushed to renew funding for research in this area.

    I'll readily admit that Obama's leadership hasn't been perfect, but at least he's on the right track.

  • CJH Alpine, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:57 p.m.

    Obama is disliked because he is morally elastic, i.e. not moored to principles. I suppose that could be said of most politicians, but Obama has this in spades. When ideas fail, words come in very handy (Goethe). Our dear leader has done a lot of talking (teleprompter president), but his ideas have utterly failed. To our democratic contributors, I leave with a Leon Festinger quote from "When Prophecy Fails": A man with a convictions is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point.

  • conservative lady Ramona, CA
    July 14, 2014 9:40 p.m.

    The reason we don't agree with Obama is NOT because he beat Romney, because I as MANY others, believe he did not beat Romney, but store the election. However, Obama's first term was riddled with dishonesty, over spending, Obamacare issues- it is NOT health care by any stretch of the imagination - and his leadership is nonexistent. His world knowledge has put the US in a very perilous place and our prior allies do not believe that we have their back. Look at Israel and what is happening to our friends there. I am sad for our country even though I recognize that God is in charge.

  • BioPowertrain Detroit, MI
    July 14, 2014 9:35 p.m.

    It's About Time You Asked This Question, Deseret News!
    Actually About 7 Years Too Late! Ugh.
    Please, Please, Please Keep it Up. I'm so very, very, very tired of the entirely non-neutral right-center-right one-sidedness of this beloved, 100% Church-owned publication. Please become a truly neutral news publisher so I can put behind me the 30-plus years of ribbing I've taken for being a loyal reader of the Deserted News.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    July 14, 2014 7:24 p.m.

    Lets face it, republicans all are sorts of crazy. When Mitt Romney made his 47% remark, the right defended him saying how it was wrong that 47 percent of Americans do not pay any income taxes. On the flip side the left criticized Romney for only paying 14 percent on his fortune.

    The right defended Romney by arguing that he payed the legally required amount. Politics and tax policy aside the right was correct. However, the people who pay no income tax because of deductions or credits(the earned income tax credit was expanded under Reagan) are also paying the legally required amount, it just happens to be zero.

    I think it is fair to say that the 47% remark is being played as politics. Plain and simple. Republicans like to bring up the topic but they will never introduce legislation to raise taxes on the bottom half of this country but it fires up the base.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    July 14, 2014 6:34 p.m.

    JoeCapitalist2 11:07 a.m.

    And corporations who take billions in tax breaks while their employees qualify for public assistance aren't "leeching off society"? And why are the only people whining about "religious liberty" are the ones who get called out for forcing others to live by their beliefs?

    And please, show me one example of how President Obama (or any government authority) prevents "real" charity? When religious organizations show up to assist at a disaster site, I'm pretty sure no one turns them away.

    You see, this is exactly what I'm talking about. If you disagree with Obama and his policies, fine. That's your right. What gets me is the constant trotting out of right-wing cliches and talking points when it's time to proclaim what "God believes." If anyone should be above petty politics, it's the Lord. You wouldn't know that by the way most Mormons talk, though...

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 14, 2014 5:43 p.m.

    Re: "I was told that my support for healthcare reform was the views of Satan . . . ."

    Well it is the view of Satan. But that doesn't mean your standing in the Church is being questioned because you're not a Republican.

    Which was your original complaint.

    It's true that most Mormons disagree with Obama's policies. And, it's true we disapprove of him, because of his policies. It's also the case that most real Americans, regardless of religion, also disagree with his policies. And disapprove of him.

    Look at any recent poll -- even his bought-and-paid-for pollsters can't hide it anymore.

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    July 14, 2014 4:59 p.m.

    @BobK - I really hope you don't actually believe that. I believe you are probably just stirring the pot. I believe race has nothing to do with it. If it was AlGore or John Kerry and he did the same things as Obama it would be just as low, if not more so.

  • Seronac Orem, UT
    July 14, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    While I can't speak for the rest of the LDS population, my opposition to Obama has to do with freedom, liberty and the Constitution. Our individual liberty is of utmost importance. Free agency was the main issue in the War in Heaven, and, here on earth, our freedom to choose, right or wrong, is our most valuable gift. Without free agency, we cannot choose for ourselves, and we don't have the opportunity to make mistakes and learn from them, or to get the rewards and blessings of making correct choices. Therefore, freedom takes precedence. And the purpose of the Constitution is to preserve freedom. I submit that anyone who doesn't agree probably doesn't understand the Plan of Salvation and human nature, and I recommmend reading Doctrine and Covenents Section 134, and Section 98:5-7, and the Book of Mormon.

    Obama (and most other elected officials) gas shown by his words and actions, that he has very little regard for freedom and personal liberty, and even less for the Constitution. Hence my objection to him.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    July 14, 2014 4:39 p.m.

    I suggest these reasons for such poor mormon support for this President.

    1-- Leftover sentiment that it's inappropriate a Black man to be in such a high position.

    2-- A general disrespect for the Black Community, which is thought to have the opposite of mormon values. This leads to thought that he must be out to take from the Whites and give to Blacks who have not earned it.

    3-- That Muslim name

    4-- He is responsible for Romney having to waffle, change positions, and look foolish to the American public with his statements, then getting beaten nearly 2 to 1 in the Electoral Collage. Ronney, a mormon prince, could never be wrong, so Obama must have done him in.

    5-- A failing of true Christian Charity and understanding, to see that someone so different can be a good and capable person, and whose every motive need not be questioned.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    July 14, 2014 4:38 p.m.

    @RedShirtMIT – “All of those hunting and fishing licenses fees that the evil gun toting conservatives pay go into a fund that is used strictly for wildlife protection.

    Another good point – and I don’t think hunters are evil. In fact, if God didn’t want us to eat meat we wouldn’t have canine teeth or eyes that point forward.

    To your overall point though, by way of example if an employer moved into town offering to hire 500 people but as part of the deal he would be dumping toxic sludge into the ground (possibly into the water table), I’m guessing the more conservative politicians would be touting the jobs and downplaying the environmental impact. And let’s not forgot the number of conservatives who have recently called for getting rid of the EPA, an agency started by a Republican.

    But even if we grant the two parties are equal here, what about all the other stuff I mentioned?

    Also, and as even some conservatives have said in recent years, the Republican Party needs to stop being the party of stupid (too many examples to cite here).

  • ILoveBeagels REDDING, CA
    July 14, 2014 4:18 p.m.

    I am a proud member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. My opinion on our president has nothing to do with what church I belong to or the fact Obama beat Romney. I have never like Obama based on his own actions as the president. I do not like my freedom being taken away from me or having a president who lies to the people of the country he is running. My opinion on the president is based upon his speeches, the fact he never takes responsibility for his actions and blames others for the outcomes, his constant spending of money we don't have, the disrespect he gives to Congress and the other boards in the government who are suppose to give permission of his actions before he acts, there are many actions I do not approve of which he makes. That is why I disapprove of the president. Not because he isn't a member of the same church I am or political party. I make opinions on actions not beliefs.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    July 14, 2014 4:05 p.m.

    To "steamroller" yes, conservatives are. There are many studies out there showing that conservatives not only give more to charity, but they give to charities that help the poor. Liberals give to charities that support the arts and highbrow charities that do not help the poor.

    It would be great to get some tax cuts that actually help the economy again. Trickle down economics of the 1980s, gave us the prosperity of 1990's.

    My question is how is the trickle up poverty working for you?

    To "Open Minded Mormon" yes, the LDS church is a minority in the US, but conservatives are the largest political group. According to Gallup (liberal source) as of 2010 conservatives accounted for 42% of the US, followed by moderates at 35%, and liberals trailed at 20%

    If I didn't know you better I would think that the rest of your rant was about liberals. You see, conservatives are not running around the world apologizing for our past. Remember, Obama is constantly telling us that our problems are the fault of other people. Liberals are constantly pitting one group against another.

    Your ilk are destroying the US through their failed political policies.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 14, 2014 3:47 p.m.

    As a Mormon -
    AND
    as an American....

    I'm growing soooo tired of the daily Right-Wing chants of --
    WE HATE OBAMA!
    We hate the Government.
    We hate Democrats!
    We hate Liberals!
    We hate the 47%.

    I remind you --
    You are in the minority.
    Most of Amnerica [the World] disagree with you.

    I could evoke your motto of -- If you don't like it, leave.

    As an America -- who HAS sworn the Oath [Mike Richards],
    it is my duty to protect America --
    From ALL enemies,
    foreign or Domestic.

    And IMHO --
    Those of you Obama / Government haters,
    constantly berating and talking smack about our Nation,

    are far FAR worse than any Middle Eastern Terrorists in a cave in Pakistan.

    They Won,
    They have beaten the World's Strongest Military,
    You are doing all the work FOR them.

    YOU are attacking and destroying America.
    They must be laughing.

    I don't need to deploy to Afghanistan,
    America's biggest threat is right here.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    July 14, 2014 3:45 p.m.

    21978 10:36 a.m. July 14, 2014

    @Ultra Bob & Esquire

    If this issue has anything to do with race please explain to me why Mia Love is heavily favored to win in November. I assume both of you are big fans of hers right?

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    That's easy. She's heavily favored because she's an extreme far right fringe-dwelling Republican. That outweighs any other consideration.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    July 14, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    @anti government

    "I won't bore you with the rest of the blatant lies..."

    Except you just did.

  • Kora Cedar Hills, UT
    July 14, 2014 3:20 p.m.

    I am tired of all the "Mormons are sheep", and "their leaders tell them to hate Obama", or "they listen to Fox News and are told what to believe". Mormon's disapprove of Obama for the same reasons most Americans disapprove of the job he is doing right now. If you look at the Poll, Obama is below 50% approval among all Christian Religions. He only gets above 50% when you take out Christians. Why do Christians in general disapprove of him?

    Could it be his open contempt for the beliefs of Christians? When politicians try to defend abortion-on-demand and Gay Marriage, both important tenets among most Christians, why would they support them? He also only believes the laws he supports should be enforced, others can be ignored or changed by executive order. This is contrary to our Constitution and system of checks and balances. Most Mormons support strict interpretation of the Constitution as intended by the founding fathers as we consider it an inspired document. Liberals, like Obama, support an interpretation that is more adjustable.

    It is simple- When you attack a group of people with contempt towards their beliefs, don't expect them to like you.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 14, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    This poll where only 15% of Mormons approve of BO is reflective of something the rest of the country already knows. That is, Mormons views and understanding of the world is very different from other Americans. While we are celebrating July 24th the rest of the country recognizes Pie & Beer Day. We're just a little different than most.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 2:58 p.m.

    @RedWings
    Thanks for the kind words.

    "I hope you have found peace and that the Savior is part of your life in a way that blesses you...."

    I think so. While I did leave the church it was due to sincere lack of belief in many core doctrines rather than any unfortunate experiences, but I think being honest about it is best in the long run (heh, of course I'm totally going to feel like quite the fool if I die and go to the spirit world and am told I threw away the correct answer).

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    July 14, 2014 2:59 p.m.

    To "steamroller" actually your statements are in contradiction with the BoM and Jesus' teachings.

    Jacob 2:19 states "And after ye have obtained a hope in Christ ye shall obtain riches, if ye seek them; and ye will seek them for the intent to do good—to clothe the naked, and to feed the hungry, and to liberate the captive, and administer relief to the sick and the afflicted."

    God wants people to seek riches, that is one aspect of capitalism. In that statement he also shows that we should voluntarily help those in need. Freedom to do what you want with your wealth is also a capitalist idea.

    In the NT, we read Luke 12:13-15 about a man that wanted to force his brother to give him more money. Just like in modern socialism/communism, one person forces another to give him money and wants to use a governing body to do so. Jesus let us know that it is contrary to his gospel to force others to care for you.

    In Luke 19:1-10 we again read of a wealthy man being praised by Jesus for the good he did with riches.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 2:58 p.m.

    Is the conservative slant of the Deseret News one of the reasons for LDS' extreme dislike of Obama?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 14, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    There are a lot of people commenting on why those of us who are members of the LDS Church do not support Barach Obama. To me the chief reason is that he cannot be trusted. His "Oath of Office", which was sworn to God and to our Country, seems to mean nothing to him.

    We take "oaths" very seriously. We understand that God requires an accounting of the oaths that we take. We are told of the consequences that await "oath breakers".

    Mr. Obama cannot be trusted. He has proven that time after time after time. No one is required to trust an untrustworthy person.

    Secondly, many members of the LDS Church have read and understand the Constitution. We revere it as being inspired of God. Obama is tramping all over that document as he puts in place a government that does not respect the rule of law and does not recognize the limits off authority of the three branches of Government. A lazy citizenry has allowed him to usurp authority and to act by decree.

    We cannot sustain anyone who takes power to himself.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    July 14, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    @JoeCapitalist2 – “waste much of my "donation" on largely worthless programs that build dependency instead of lifting people out of poverty.”

    You make a good point – the government should be teaching people how to fish and not just giving them a fish. And there are other areas where I think conservatives have good instincts (e.g., immigration, education vouchers, balanced budget amendment, etc…).

    My problem though is if I’m going to vote conservative that also means I’m going to vote for the guy least likely to protect the environment, place people ahead of corporations, fund scientific research (and follow the results of that research), keep religion out of politics, and recognize that the healthcare market does not function like the toaster market (and make policy accordingly).

    So either way I end up plugging my nose when casting my vote. And given our two party system, the most rational voting strategy I can think of is to vote for the most centrist, pragmatic candidates and when one party has been in power too long (and starts believing in their own propaganda a little too much), vote for the other side.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    July 14, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    Schnee -

    I am sorry for the many negative experience you had with members. While I may disagree with you as a matter of opinion on many social issues of the day, the bottom line is that God loves all His children and wants to see them all safely home. HE loves you just as much as he loves me (or the members you had struggles with).

    I believe that we come to know and love our Savior, and as we grow in that knowledge we desire to keep His commandments more fully. How it all ends up for each of us is for Him to decide.

    I hope you have found peace and that the Savior is part of your life in a way that blesses you....

  • JHannigan Spanish Fork, UT
    July 14, 2014 2:14 p.m.

    I always follow the will of God, as revealed to me through his spirit. Even though I wanted to vote for Romney, since he seemed to have values similar to mine, when I prayed I felt the Holy Spirit to tell me to vote for Obama. Why? I don't know. But if the spirit tells you to do something, you obey. Knowing the will and work of God cannot be thwarted or stopped, when Obama won, I knew I was on the right side with God. Anyone who is in tune with God should have received the same revelation. Next time, don't pray to find out who's the best president. Pray to find out the will of God. Always follow the will of God. If something happens, it was the will of God. I think Mormons are mad because Obama won, and they realized they're not in tune with God at all. Bless you brothers and sisters. Dare to do right!

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    I couldn't care less that he beat Romney other than the simple fact that a pet rock would have been a better president than another 4 years of this loser. So whether it was Romney or someone else has little to do with my position.

    I didn't like obama long before Romney ran against him.

    Obama is a failure in multiple respects. He can't even keep his own oath of office to uphold the law. He literally ignores the law when he does not agree with it.

    Regardless of party this a bad precedent and not the way our govt was designed to operate. He acts like a King instead of the president of our republic.

    His approval ratings are lower than Bush and near Jimmy Carter levels so my opinion is not that uncommon.

    These people who claim they think he has done a wonderful job are pretty delusional given the jobless recovery and how many times he has blatantly lied to us. "If you like your MD or your health plan you can keep it".

    I won't bore you with the rest of the blatant lies...we are all familiar with them.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    RE: Schnee "The church wants liberals/Democrats to be there, and leadership generally wants them, but plenty of rank and file members don't. High liberal inactivity rates... oftentimes that's when church became a source of stress."

    This is reality. The Mormon culture doesn't want left-of-center people, even though some of the General Authorities may.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    You left the thread Schnee, the thread was about Mormons voting against Obama, and the liberals were posting how it is the church pushing the disagreement with democrat party platform issues. Complaining the church was driving the issue. Jumping in, the thread was missed with the claim of forcing religious views on others. Again the liberal concept of not allowing individuals with like minds and opinions that you disagree with from association or promoting their concepts based on the straw man argument it must be the church forcing their opinion on you.

    But you are forcing your opinions and concepts on others based on your religious views or lack of religious views. You make the argument liberals don't want to allow opinions or ideas they disagree with.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:36 p.m.

    Ford DeTreese: "...Your shallow stereotypes of people who receive government aid are offensive...Just label people as takers without ever asking why they are in need....I can't support the GOP. Their view of society is so ideologically predetermined that they are totally blind..."

    What I find offensive is the constant accusations from the left that anyone who does not advocate high taxes to pay for generous government welfare benefits is "un-Christian".

    There are people in need and we need to help them but I resent the fact that progressives insist that the government take triple the taxes from me than what it needs to perform its constitutional duties. It does this to relieve me of the burden of figuring out how to be charitable on my own and direct my donations to causes that will truly help the poor.

    Instead, bureacrats will spend and waste much of my "donation" on largely worthless programs that build dependency instead of lifting people out of poverty. THAT is un-Christian.

  • Swartzy Arlington, TX
    July 14, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    first off, I did not really like Mitt Romney for President. I did not think he was conservative enough for me. I do not like Obama for a million reasons. The First is I am almost a libertarian, and Obama wants more GOVT and more Laws and more control and I want less. Second is he has no real respect for the country that was founded more than 200 yrs ago. He wants to bring us down to a one world govt and on a lower worldly level than we are now. I Hate obamacare and the loss of freedom it has devoured. My family is in medicine and is aghast at how poor health care is becoming. I can go on, but the one thing that never enters into it is his race. It is of now importance at all.

  • pwlohse Dueren, 00
    July 14, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    They should do a poll of LDS in Europe. I think you will find a majority supporting Obama. His policies make sense and and they are aimed at reducing military intervention and helping those in need. Policies which have kept Europe stabile for several decades.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    @GaryO

    My Uncle's family came from Orderville. It was voluntary. If someone did not want to participate they didn't have to. If you didn't pull your weight you weren't part of it.

    Explain to me what happens in your liberal Utopia of communism/socialism when someone decides they are tired of subsidizing those who don't contribute. How exactly does the IRS handle that? Bottom line: It is NOT voluntary!

    If you and the rest of your liberal associates want to form a society like that... Please be my guest. My hunch is that it won't work because you need hard working conservatives to generate the wealth that liberals are only interested in redistributing.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    @procuradorfiscal
    "So, if your standing is being questioned, here's betting it has nothing to do with you not being a Republican."

    I was told by an Institute instructor that the Iraq War was a holy war against Islam and that not supporting it would be going against President Hinckley. I was told that my support for healthcare reform was the views of Satan (there wasn't even an Obamacare then, this was pre-election). I was told I needed to talk to the Bishop to repent over support for same-sex marriage (in contrast to Elder Whitney Clayton's "feel free to disagree without fear of sanction"). I was told by a home teaching companion that I should get my views on choice in line with the church (guess who stopped doing home teaching after that). I was told that not writing a letter to my senators supporting the marriage amendment would be going against the Prophet.

    The church wants liberals/Democrats to be there, and leadership generally wants them, but plenty of rank and file members don't. High liberal inactivity rates... oftentimes that's when church became a source of stress.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    @Irony Guy: "This Mormon supports Obama and thinks he has done a terrific job against unbelievable (literally) opposition."

    I agree completely.

    As far as Obama being a better Mormon than Romney, I also agree with that but would add only that the reason for it is that mainstream Mormons today tend to reject many basic tenets of the Book of Mormon that were especially meant for our day.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:00 p.m.

    @jsf
    " If I go to a church picnic I am not allowed to mention any political ideas or feelings, or belief. "

    You can do whatever you want at a church picnic and whatever you want in your churches with little protest (notice that despite the large numbers of feminists that the LDS church never face much of a challenge to all-male priesthood from outside the church but pretty much just from members inside the church). The issue Democrats complain about is when people try to put religious rules into law.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 14, 2014 12:58 p.m.

    Chris B -

    "Even though I'm not Mormon, the Mormons expect people to be self reliant."

    Really? Then why did Mormons experiment with Communalism/Communism way back in the day?

    Ever heard of Orderville, Utah?

    How about the United Order? . . . Ever heard of that?

    Look it up.

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    July 14, 2014 12:54 p.m.

    Thanks for the laughs all. I'll be sure to re-evaluate why I dislike Obama. I thought it was because the majority of what he does flies in the face of what I believe this country stands for. I guess I was wrong. I didn't know this animus came from his defeat of Romney who, much to my chagrin, I have worshiped for years without knowing it. I am also going to go to a therapist to see if they can unlock the memory of my GOP indoctrination session. I can't seem to remember it. If only I had the ability to think for myself. Oh well.
    End sarcasm. Let's be honest, the divide between D's and R's has never been deeper. Based on social issues it is not surprising that more Mormons lean right than left. I will never question someones' belief in the Church based on politics though. To those that have ever felt this way, I am sorry. How can we fix this short of changing the way we think? D's say R's are close-minded but dismiss our viewpoint just as quickly as we do theirs.

  • tesuji Bountiful, UT
    July 14, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    I dislike the headline for this article. It makes it sound like 100% of Mormons are 100% against Obama.

    Clearly, most Mormons are conservatives, and many also live in the Far West which against Big Government.

    I am Mormon and I have never voted for Obama because I am socially conservative. But part of me wanted him to win both times, because I'm not really conservative over all.

    Initially I liked his "hope and change" idea after the disastrous Bush years. However, Obama's second term has shown to me Obama hasn't been a great president overall.

    I do admire him for trying to get something done despite our broken legislature. It seems the GOP is more about stopping Obama than getting the people's business done. Hopefully soon we will learn that democracy means compromise over partisan ideology.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    Why? It's the faith with the highest rate of Republican members in America and it's a Democratic President.

    Perhaps the better question is why LDS members tend to be so conservative/Republican. (Then there's the separate matter of whether the members of the church are welcoming to Democrats. I know that the church strives to be welcoming to all but that doesn't mean all members actually manage to do that.)

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 12:43 p.m.

    @Open Minded Mormon

    I've noticed you employ a very similar formatting to LDS libera

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    Probably just coincidence though.

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    Sarcasm, OFF!

    Barack leads the party of "no responsibility"

    Mormons teach personal responsibility - no surprise they oppose him

    Barack keeps telling us we need to spend more money to be better off financially.

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    Thankfully many Mormons see right through his lies.

    Its just sad that more groups don't, although his approval rating is at record lows.

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    Barack has promised a lot, just to get elected, only to go back on his promises time and time again.

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    Thanks Mormons for seeing this.

    I'm not even Mormon!

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 14, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    Re: "Your standing in the LDS Church is questioned if you are not a Republican."

    Hmmmmm. Interesting comment. Kinda makes you wonder.

    See, I've never been a Republican. And, my standing in the Church has never been questioned.

    So, if your standing is being questioned, here's betting it has nothing to do with you not being a Republican.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 14, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    re:Hutterite

    Actually Hutterite - the general authorities of the LDS church are VERY careful NOT to suggest ANY political party or persuassion. Were you aware of that? Latter Day Saints for the most part are very educated and informed people and they are also very fair minded people. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught "we teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves". We measure Barack Obama by his policies which in turn violate our core Christian principles and we then individually reject the creator of those policies and ideologies. There is no LDS bishop that stands in sacrament meeting and informs his congregation to make sure that they vote GOP.....only that they participate in the political process and stay informed. We as Latter Days Saints measure right and wrong by the un-changing , God - given , principles such as liberty, life , etc... Unfortunately your Socialist president is clearly and consistently in violation with those core principles and in fact seems to be almost purposely antagonistic toward anything Christian.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 12:40 p.m.

    LDS liberal,

    YOur comments are word for word the same as what a previous poster named Pagan used to say, but we don't see him around anymore. Probably just coincidence.

    Sarcasm, off!

    Even though I'm not Mormon, the Mormons expect people to be self reliant. Barack encourages dependency on taxpayers.

    Mormons insist people be fiscally responsible - barack thinks the answer to financial problems is to spend more money.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    July 14, 2014 12:24 p.m.

    To "Craig Clark" it isn't the LDS church leaders using the pulpit to teach that it is conservatism. It is the Gospel as contained in the Scriptures that teaches conservatism, and that collectivism or strong central governments will lead to corruption and the destruction of our souls.

    To "LDS Liberal" actually, when you start going outside of the US, most countries hate Obama. He has lied to them and they do not trust him. So, logically, since most Mormons are not in the US, and most countries that have LDS members in them do not like Obama, most Mormons in fact do not like Obama.

    You claim Obama is trying to fix things, what is he trying to fix? Unless he is fixing things from Clinton. The only difference between Bush and Obama is the magnitude of their government programs. Bush and Obama are both Progressives.

    You are mostly right when you said "I think the Church has always been right,
    and many of it's members in Utah are being misled and deceived by a political party wolf in sheep's clothing..." You should know it is not a political party, but modern collectivist philosophies.

  • funny_guy Vacaville, CA
    July 14, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    Growing up in a blue collar home, my parents were devout Democrats. I, too, voted Democratic until I realized they were moving our country further and further to the left. Democrats controlled Congress from the mid-70's to the mid-90's and Republicans continually COMPROMISED their principles "for the good of the country." Now Pres. Obama blames Republicans as not compromising. In reality, Senate Democrats (Harry Reid, in particular) refuse to consider an legislation passed in the House. IMO, the democratic party continually misleads and outright lies to America. Several years ago I realized that politicians can say whatever they want without punishment or retribution. The only recourse is to vote them out of office. With more and more people dependent upon government handouts this is becoming more difficult. Why do I dislike Obama? Because he is a lying Democrat. Want to know when he is lying? Watch his lips; if they are moving, he is lying.

  • Ford DeTreese Provo, UT
    July 14, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    JoeCap2:

    Your shallow stereotypes of people who receive government aid are offensive to those of us who know some of these people. Do you not find anything un-Christian in the GOP's ongoing efforts to shift as much wealth as possible to the top, leaving more and more people in need of government welfare? Please don't tell me you don't even see the inconsistency here. Just label people as takers without ever asking why they are in need. Don't look beneath the surface to see actual causes and effects. This is why I can't support the GOP. Their view of society is so ideologically predetermined that they are totally blind to what is going on around them.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 14, 2014 11:46 a.m.

    @KJB1
    Eugene, OR
    To be honest, this kind of thinking is a huge part of why I struggle with my activity in the Church. They can't claim to be politically impartial while trumpeting ultraconservative talking points every chance they get. I seriously doubt that God cares whether you're a Democrat or a Republican...

    10:23 a.m. July 14, 2014

    ========

    Agreed!
    And remember my earlier post about those who can not seperate
    Religion from Politics?

    Those who see everything as either Black-or-White,
    or
    All-or-Nothing...

    The --
    If you are NOT a Republican,
    then
    You are NOT a Mormon!

    If you are NOT a Republican,
    then
    You are of the Devil!

    [Yes - you know who you are....]

    I might disagree and argue with them daily about Politics, or even Doctrine
    BUT
    I NEVER question their Testimonies or Worthiness.

    I can simply state,
    That same rule does not apply the other way...

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    July 14, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    The elephant in the room,
    that no one cares to address --

    In this poll --
    Once again,
    Mormons are NOT considered "Christians".

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 14, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    They're just doing what they're told. Not overtly, of course, but in more subtle ways such as who gets paid for articles here.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    July 14, 2014 11:17 a.m.

    KJB1 -

    God cares about far more important things than what political party we affiliate with...

    I have my moments of struggle as well. For me, it is more about the revealed truths and doctrines, and accessing the Atonement to make me better than I can be by myself. The other petty stuff I leave behind.

    Ultimately, religion exists to bring us closer to God. The LDS Church does that for me. I listen to the Prophet and Apostles, and am blessed to have local leaders who do not delve into politics. Above all, I have agency and a loving Father in Heaven to guide me.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    July 14, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    Have you noticed here and in other articles, those who support Obama rarely say why. Instead, the degrade those who do not, or say Bush was worse, or that critics are racist. Come Obama followers, what has he done to Erin your support? Give specifics.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    July 14, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    Blacks as a whole vote democrat, does this mean the NAACP continues to openly and covertly indoctrinate it's members. Since such a high number supported Clinton, Gore, and Obama, are they by liberal definition racist?

    Are there not notable church leaders who were or are democrats. The church excuse is a straw-man for liberals to attack, when their policies are not approved by a majority of Utah residents.

    Liberals tell us how we can't talk about any issue in a group assembly. If I go to a church picnic I am not allowed to mention any political ideas or feelings, or belief.

    Liberals are telling us if we disagree with them, we have no right to freely associate with like minded people. And gasp, it might have got mentioned in a Sunday school class. Never have I heard party politics from the pulpit.

    Oh wait I did, it had to do with the deployment of ICBMs on a track system to be put in place in Utah and Nevada. Gasp, it wasn't a hawkish war mongering republican stance.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    July 14, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    Mormons believe the traditional family is the basic and most important unit in a thriving society. Destroy this unit and you have destroyed the society. President Obama is 180 degrees out of sync. For me, this trumps anything else he does.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 14, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    KJB1: "I seriously doubt that God cares whether you're a Democrat or a Republican..."

    I agree. But I think He does care about a number of social issues that are directly supported or opposed by the various party platforms.

    I think He cares if you are honest. I think He cares if you support religious liberty. I think He cares if you take resposibility for your actions and try to contribute to society instead of leaching off it. I think He cares if you try to supplant REAL charity by trying to force everyone to support government handouts.

    No one is suggesting that the GOP is perfectly in line with religious beliefs, or that their members are not guilty of various infractions. It's just that most Mormons think that the GOP's platform more closely aligns itself with their personal beliefs than the platform of the Democratic party. No big surprise there.

    To some commentors on this forum, anyone who thinks this way must be under the control of talk radio or sheep who can't possibly think for themselves. Personally, I think that such people who throw those stones live in glass houses.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 14, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    It is complete nonsense and very shallow reporting to suggest that the main reasons Mormons reject Barack Obama is because he defeated Mitt Romney. This is almost high-schoolish in its assumptions but typical of the liberal media and their propoganda based journalism. Mormon rejection of Barack Obama came LONG before Mitt Romney ever threw his hat into the presidential race and that is a documentated fact. Mormon rejection of Barack Obama is because of his anti-Christian ideology and his blantant and outrageous support of abortion via Obamacare not to mention all the scandals and terrible economic policy decisions. Finally Mormons see Socialism and especially Communism as THE worst forms of government in human history and Barack Obama aligns himself with both.

  • greatbam22 andrews afb, MD
    July 14, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    The amount of speculations and name throwing at each other in these comments is ridiculous.

    "Well..it is because mormons are this, this, and this." - a majority of the posters in this thread.

    Way to pull out the vitriol!

    I am a member of the LDS Church and I never said either way. I sometimes find President Obama doing a good job and at other times..I am a lot less than enthusiastic.

    There is so many political games being played and "he said" "she said" going on that we need to replace everyone in Washington!

    It would be nice to start with a completely clean slate from top to bottom in our Federal Government!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    Irony Guy:

    1. Obama's foreign policy is a disaster even among most liberals. The entire world is on fire and in large part because of America's weakness and failure to act when it should and could have.
    2. Obamacare forces corporations to fund the 'abortion pill' which induces abortion at ANY stage of pregnancy. This is murder and is why Hobby Lobby took their case to the Supreme Court and WON!! "It would be better that a mill stone be hung around your neck and you drown in the depths of the sea than to harm one of these little ones". These are the words of the Savior and Obamacare FUNDS and FORCES the mechanism to take the life of these same little children the Savior referred to.

    I have to wonder how you as a member of the LDS church reconcile these things ...not to mention the continuous scandals that role out of the White House on a monthly basis. Intimidating people (using the IRS) to win elections is outright fraud and core dishonesty which is in direct opposition to everything that we as Latter Day saints beleive.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    Because Romney went tea party. Lost the election, but appealed to bitter extremists.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    if A = B, and C = D, then logically A = D. I've got to go back to Jr. High and re-learn my logic skills. World population = 7 Billion, Church population 15 million. Prove your theorem.
    If more Mormons live out side of US, And Outside the US has a higher approval rating than stateside then that must mean Mormons have a higher rating of Obama.

    A majority of foreign countries have high disapproval rates for Obama. Greater than 50 percent, currently down about 44 percent. by logic then if the greater percentage disapprove of Obama, then actually a greater percentage of foreign Mormons disapprove of Obama. Muslim counties have approval ratings down around 17 percent.

    The Bloomberg poll (US only)conducted from June 6 to 9 found that respondents of Obama's performance on the economy, by 57 percent; healthcare by 58 percent; the budget deficit, by 63 percent; on negotiating with House Republicans, by 55 percent; and the Veterans Affairs wait list scandal by 51 percent. Not really a Mormon issue is it.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    July 14, 2014 10:51 a.m.

    In far too many of these DN discussion, Obama is glibly called a liar by some LDS readers (not all) who make their accusations based on egregious misstatements and outright falsehoods. They might want to take a long hard look at themselves first before casting the first stone at their President on the issues of honesty and integrity.

  • Unbiased1979 dallas, TX
    July 14, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    @LDS Liberal

    Don't you mean that Obama has FAILED to

    fix the economy (the income inequality gap has done nothing but increase)
    properly end wars (see no status of forces agreement)
    pay down the national debt (this one is particularly funny)
    Immigration reform (unless you count opening the borders and inviting illegals as reform)
    ....

    I could go on, but choose to correct your thoughts on some points and some misconceptions on this board. There is a big difference between being anti government/taxes/increasing the minimum wage, and being anti-poor, which is a label liberals attempt to brand on all convervatives. If you pay attention, the Church is a very large proponent of its people being self reliant and give money to the poor because of their love for God and his children. Liberals would rather people be "government reliant" and force them to pay more taxes so that the government can spend (or squander it) as it chooses.

  • FatherOfFour WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:48 a.m.

    KJB1,

    You are not alone. I am one of very few non-Mormons where I work. But on several occasions over the last few years close friends and co-workers have confided in me that they are questioning the church for this exact reason. I try not to influence them one way or the other, just listen while they get some things off their chests and try to be supportive. But the hard-right bent of the church does dissuade more than a few.

  • birder Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    This really is not rocket science. Obama supports and stands for just about everything that a practicing Mormon opposes. The short list: he does not tell the truth, he favors gay marriage, he supports abortion, he supports government support with no individual responsibility, he supports government payment of birth control, and so on.
    What I truly cannot understand is how Harry Reid, being in Obama's court, can claim to be practicing LDS.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    As a member of the LDS Church I can only speak for myself regarding Mr. Obama and why I consider him to be the WORST president in US history and a clear and present danger to the US Constitution.

    1. My understanding of scripture (New Testament, Book Of Mormon) regarding the influence of the 'natural man' or perhaps even Satan himself is that of contention and the constant stirring up of contention amoung the people of the nation or any nation for that matter. For the past 6 years it has been the stated goal of Barack Obama to pit class against class, race against race, gender against gender, and so on... The United States has NEVER been more polarized and divided in my memory and it all started in Jan 2009.
    2. Mr Obama has clearly eroaded Christian values in this country with Obamacare and its mandates which violate Christian core beiefs with the latest evidence coming from Little Sisters of the Porr and Hobby Lobby.
    3. Religious freedom - among other core freedoms are under assault since Barack came to power.
    4. Mr Obama's refusal to speak in front of Christian symbols is very telling.

  • greatbam22 andrews afb, MD
    July 14, 2014 10:41 a.m.

    @Steamroller

    "First, their champion Mitt Romney lost to him. Secondly, most LDS members are sheep in the sense that there was once a notion presented by one of the hierarchy of the church that you can't be a good Mormon and a Democrat at the same time."

    Wow, talk about a stereotype if I have ever seen one.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    @ Tyler D:

    "There’s a whole strain within the Religious Right today that except for the fact that they invoke his name on occasion (or in their church title) you would never know these folks follow Jesus."

    No argument from me there. There are some Sundays I come home from church with a sore neck from shaking my head at the complete sillyness of some people.

    I believe that Elder Nelson said once "Christ had a perfect church until he let all of us in"....

  • greatbam22 andrews afb, MD
    July 14, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    "If you like your plan you can keep it."

    Among other things that he has said which has just been lies.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:36 a.m.

    @Ultra Bob & Esquire

    If this issue has anything to do with race please explain to me why Mia Love is heavily favored to win in November. I assume both of you are big fans of hers right?

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    July 14, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    To be honest, this kind of thinking is a huge part of why I struggle with my activity in the Church. They can't claim to be politically impartial while trumpeting ultraconservative talking points every chance they get. I seriously doubt that God cares whether you're a Democrat or a Republican...

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    July 14, 2014 10:20 a.m.

    LDS Liberal

    "BTW --
    Look what they did to Bob Bennett,
    and how they treat Jon M. Huntsman Jr."

    Oh those poor war mongers.

    "Pres. Obama is trying to:

    Fix the economy,
    stop the wars the Republicans started,
    and figure out a way to pay for them,
    pay down the national debt,
    clean up the enviroment,
    increase education,
    stop wars,
    create jobs,
    increase the minimum wages for the working poor,
    raise taxes on those who afford it,
    while not raising taxes on those who can not,
    increase healthcare availibility for all citizens,
    Immigration reform,
    stop discrimination of minorities,"

    You don't stop those things by increasing them or making them worse. He is trying with his mouth but not his actions.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    July 14, 2014 10:16 a.m.

    Some Mormon democrats knowingly or unknowingly are on a crusade to get the church to eliminate personal accountability. After all, life would be so much easier if God just let you do what you want and still be exhalted. Satan also proposed to eliminate all personal accountability and proposed that everybody should be exhalted no matter what kind of life that you live.

    Cheating your way into Heaven didn't work in the pre-existence and it won't work here either.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    Blaming the debt on the president solely, like so many republicans do, is politics. Congress holds the purse strings and we have had a republican house the last two years.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    I previously submitted a comment merely stating that the paper would not like the answer, and the comment was rejected. Now I see many comments with specific answers (by the way, the article doesn't really address the answer to the question.). So here are a few specifics, as like other commenters. This goes beyond Romney. Before Romney ran, Mormons were opposed to Obama. The Church as a whole is a partisan church. I've been told many times that one cannot be a good Mormon and a Democrat, which I completely disagree. The culture in the Church favors the GOP. The GOP uses the Church to advance its interests, and the Church allows it. The newspaper for the Church is clearly GOP friendly, which adds to the cultural pressure to support the GOP. There are other reasons, including that the Church in the U.S. is white, conservative and middle class, and the acceptance of racial minorities is very shallow. Add that to the strong cultural bias towards the GOP, and there is no way Mormons in the U.S. will accept President Obama. Again, I'm sure a candid discussion of this issue will be heavily censored.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:08 a.m.

    "A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

    That refers to President Cheney, right?

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    Why do Mormons not like Obama? Silly question. Because they are Republicans, and the Republican leadership swore at the outset to oppose everything this president supports, even if it is a GOP idea. They were very open about their intent to destroy him. The better question is why so many Mormons are Republican. Now that's one I haven't been able to figure out. What does the GOP support, aside from traditional marriage, that has anything to do with LDS doctrine?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 14, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    Let's see --
    Pres. Obama is trying to:

    Fix the economy,
    stop the wars the Republicans started,
    and figure out a way to pay for them,
    pay down the national debt,
    clean up the enviroment,
    increase education,
    stop wars,
    create jobs,
    increase the minimum wages for the working poor,
    raise taxes on those who afford it,
    while not raising taxes on those who can not,
    increase healthcare availibility for all citizens,
    Immigration reform,
    stop discrimination of minorities,

    You know --
    ALL those things the LDS Church is against...
    [sarcasm off]

    I think the Church has always been right,
    and many of it's members in Utah are being misled and decieved by a political party wolf in sheep's clothing...

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    "Obama wanted to invade Syria and probably will when the mid terms are over and he's the most dangerous. He overthrew Lybia and replaced it with a much worse Government."

    Where does this kind of pathetic nonsense come from?

    Hate radio, perhaps?

  • t702 Las Vegas, NV
    July 14, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    "Why do members of the LDS Church disapprove of President Obama?" Because he is not qualify - he has no real life experiences for the job and it shows.

  • Utexmom Flower Mound, TX
    July 14, 2014 9:54 a.m.

    I live in Texas and it seems that most people here are very, very against Obama. They are very highly religious, but most are not LDS. I would say that most religious people are appalled with Obama, unless they listen only to His news stations where they don't hear the truth.

  • KellyWSmith Sparks, NV
    July 14, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    It has nothing to do with Mitt Romney's loss (who was not a perfect candidate either). It has nothing to do with his color. It has nothing do with even being a Democrat, but it has everything to do with using methods of deception, the flagrant disregard for the laws of the land and the trampling of the Constitution.

    As it says in the Declaration of Independence: "A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

    That's why the members of the LDS Church don't approve of his actions.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    I could not find a graph of racial prejudice of blacks by religion, but if one existed, I think it might look like the graph in this article.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    July 14, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    @RedWings – “I actually heard someone at church discussing Ayn Rand!

    There’s a whole strain within the Religious Right today that except for the fact that they invoke his name on occasion (or in their church title) you would never know these folks follow Jesus.

    Enjoyed your comments… well, half of them anyway *smile*

    @Chris B – “Mormons are fiscally responsible and yet barack has added more to the national debt…”

    Doesn’t really explain their support for Bush though, does it? Were it not for Bush cutting taxes (while adding government spending) and driving our economy off a cliff in 2008 our debt might actually be paid off by now.

    If you doubt this ask yourself – if we kept the Clinton/Gingrich tax rates at the levels that produced the first budget surpluses in decades, do you think Obama would have messed with them?

    @ordinaryfolks – “Dissent keeps leadership on its toes, and responsive.”

    Excellent observation – critics are in fact are best friends but it’s a lot more comfortable to live in an echo chamber.

  • Dragline Orem, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:38 a.m.

    Utah as a state, like other red states such as Mississippi, would do anything to undermine President Obama including hurting themselves. Utah supports other state's Medicaid expansion while denying the poorest and sickest among themselves. Why? Could it be that we are no smarter than Mississippi?

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:34 a.m.

    1) Contempt for Constitution, 2) Assaults on privacy & individual liberty, 3) Attacks on marriage, 4) Policies against religious freedoms, 5) never ending refusal to accept responsibility while blaming others, 6) Pattern of lying, 7) using race card, 8) Penchant for flying around giving speeches and fundraising rather than staying in White House and working, 8)Negative impact on relations with allies and weakness in foreign policy overall, 9) Extreme narcassism and arrogance, 10) Failure to secure the border, 11) Never letting a crisis go to waste, 12) His adherence to Saul Alinsky principles such as overloading the system to bring chaos and constant belittling and marginalizing those who don't agree with him. 13) Others

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:31 a.m.

    ‘Join the discussion: Why do members of the LDS Church disapprove of President Obama?’

    ==========

    The Deseret News is so "little knot-hole" myopic view of the world.

    The fact is,
    MOST Mormons are not Americans.
    Most non-Americas LIKE Obama,

    So,
    Logic says MOST Mormons LiKE Obama.

    Now,
    if the "discussion" is
    'Why do members of the LDS Church IN UTAH disapprove of President Obama?’

    that's easy --
    AM radio and Fox News told them to...

  • David King Layton, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    Anyone looking for anything of substance in these comments should turn back now. It's the same old hyper-partisan, my team is better than your team, over the top rhetoric that both sides say they despise so much and then engage in so frequently.

  • Red San Antonia, TX
    July 14, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    I'm a Mormon and I think Obama is a fraud.

    He really has no real experience doing anything other than pretending to be a leader.

    He has surrounded himself with other dishonest people and they are all self serving (like most of the politicians from all parties)

    I think that Obama is loving golfing and traveling on Americas dime.

    He isn't defending liberty and freedom. It is embarrassing how he is treating Israel.

    He wouldn't have stood with us in the fight in the Alamo.

    I think he should be removed from office, BUT it really isn't Obama I have a problem with....it is all of the Americans that are supporting him even though they also know he is a liar and a fraud.

    That is why our Country is in real trouble. Americans have decided to take shortcuts and want handouts.

    We have not solved any of the problems from 2007. We have only thrown more money at it, and we are going to pay the consequences for following Obama as he takes us down a path of lies and deceit.

    There is still hope though.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    Um, he's a Democrat,
    more specifically - he's NOT a Republican.

    I am Un-Affiliated,
    but NON-Republican in Utah automatically means Democrat to them.

    Many Utah Mormons can't disassociate Religion from Politics,
    they see them as one in the same.

    They also dispise Senator Harry Reid for the same reason.

    BTW --
    Look what they did to Bob Bennett,
    and how they treat Jon M. Huntsman Jr.

    You can't even SUGGEST compromising with Democrats,
    or they will publically crucify you.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    FreedomFighter41: "Mormons are taught sometimes by members at church and all the time through conservative media that Democrats are evil and Republicans are good."

    While I disagree with that statement, I wonder if you are equally outraged when minorities and other groups are taught all the time through liberal media that Republicans are evil and Democrats are good.

  • UT Brit London, England
    July 14, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    Members of the church have been taught things for over a century that have become ingrained into the culture. Is any of this really surprising?

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    to JoeCapitalist2 moments ago...

    Yet, true believers deify the Free Market and overlook the incompetence/greed of Mitt, Wall St, & their ilk in 2007 & 2008.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 14, 2014 9:10 a.m.

    This Mormon voted for him twice. Let's be honest, many Mormons are very conservative to the point of being irrational.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    Simple.

    Obama beat Mitt Romney.

    So of course we're gonna dislike Obama.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    @Earnest T. Bass,

    "On Obama's worst day, he's still significantly better than Bush was on his best day."

    You're talking about golf, right? Because that's certainly not true of presidential responsibilities.

    @steamroller

    "First, their champion Mitt Romney lost to him."

    That could contribute, but isn't anywhere near being a leading factor.

    "Secondly, most LDS members are sheep in the sense that there was once a notion presented by one of the hierarchy of the church that you can't be a good Mormon and a Democrat at the same time."

    There is more truth to the good Mormon/Democrat thing than you care to admit. The church does chime in on political issues if they're moral issues, and each and every time the Democrats are on the wrong side of the issue. Plus there are issues like financial well-being and self-reliance that are at odds with Democrat policies. I know liberals who have left the church because it got in the way of their political views. Never heard of a conservative leaving for that reason.

    We should pray for Obama (we should pray for everyone), but it doesn't make him right.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    The majority of leadership of the LDS Church is Republican.

    The majority of membership of the LDS Church is Republican.

    Your standing in the LDS Church is questioned if you are not a Republican.

    Your standing in the LDS Church is questioned if you watch/read/listen to anything other than approved Republican Party/FOX News/Drudge sources of information.

    And the DN asks why members of the LDS Church, in the United States, disapprove of President Obama?

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:02 a.m.

    Because Obama is a Democrat.

    Mormons are taught sometimes by members at church and all the time through conservative media that Democrats are evil and Republicans are good.

    If Obama had been labeled a Republican, we wouldn't have any problem with him. The truth is, Obama is far more conservative than. Mitt Romney.

    It's that simple.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    July 14, 2014 9:02 a.m.

    Of course LDS members don't like Obama. Societal and church pressures make it incumbent on Mormons to vote in lockstep.

    Grown up religious sects don't need to enforce conformity. Dissent keeps leadership on its toes, and responsive. One day this will be the LDS value.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 14, 2014 8:59 a.m.

    Obviously the only reason Mormons dislike Obama is because the church is full of racists, right? There can't possibly be any correlation between his unpopularity among largely conservative Mormons and all the lies he has told, his big goverment policies, and his incompetence in doing his job.

    There have been so many that I have lost track of all the "phoney scandals" where Obama has feigned outrage, promised to "get to the bottom of the problem", and then done everything he can to cover it up.

  • riverofsun St.George, UT
    July 14, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    When first moving to Utah many decades ago, we were sadly surprised at the non diverse makeup of the state. Utah was so very different than most of the US.
    Our's and other's older relations, still living during the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, were sharing their very angry vocal intolerance concerning the changes in diversity throughout the nation.
    Very loud and vocal rants were witnessed and heard by younger members of their families.
    This made so many newcomers to Utah so very uncomfortable and sad hearing such hatred.
    Appears, unfortunately, that many middle aged and younger Utahns listened to what their grandparents had to say, and took it to heart.
    The last few years of comments on the DN boards, greatly support this historical fact of Utah's past.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    July 14, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    Why are the views of Catholics not represented in this poll? Seems a glaring omission to me.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    I'm not a Mormon but isn't it obvious?

    Mormons are fiscally responsible and yet barack has added more to the national debt than almost all past presidents combined, and he will have reached that mark before he leaves.

    He promised he'd cut the deficit in half in his first term - he increased it

    He promised the most transparent presidency and had done the exact opposite.

    Mormons expect honesty - and barack has been anything but that.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    July 14, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    Irony Guy

    Obama wanted to invade Syria and probably will when the mid terms are over and he's the most dangerous. He overthrew Lybia and replaced it with a much worse Government.

  • mightyhunterhaha Kaysville, UT
    July 14, 2014 8:36 a.m.

    @ Ernest T Bass and Irony Guy

    Believe what you want but history will show Obama as one of the worst Presidents in U.S. History. Bush had his faults but he will not be among Obama and Carter. History will record Bush as a mediocre President.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    July 14, 2014 8:36 a.m.

    Why do members of the LDS Church disapprove of President Obama?

    It has little to do with Obama personally so much as the political disposition instilled in Latter-day Saints by a century of General Authorities using the pulpit to make political conservatism virtually a tenet of the faith. An LDS anti-government mindset goes back to the 1800s when the Church was at odds with and at time in outright defiance of civil authority.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    July 14, 2014 8:36 a.m.

    I find less and less of a correlation between the doctrines of my faith (LDS) and either political party.

    Republicans seem to not understand charity and helping their neighbor. During the last presidential election, I actually heard someone at church discussing Ayn Rand! To even attempt to equate an atheist like Rand to Christ is unbelievable to me.

    Democrats have lost me in the headlong rush to embrace immorality and secularism in all its forms. Rampant pornography, and the US AG's refusal to enforce existing laws, have made it clear that the democtratic party has no room for me in its "tent" anymore.

    Equating political platform with religious doctrine is not easily done. The Church's letter at election time reminding us that the "tenets of the Gospel can be found in the platforms of all major political parties" is true.

    Lastly, I pray for the time when members stop thinking that Glen Beck has any special knowledge because he is LDS. He speaks only for himself and his wallet...

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    July 14, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    Because he is a Gadianton Robber. He works for and wants to overthrow the freedoms of people everywhere. He is mereley carrying out what past presidents started. Pretending to be against it with his words but not his actions.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    Could it be the DN is all for inciting the base (Religion is under attack, Mitt is wonderful, byu is a legacy program, Obama is a muslim socialist yada yada yada)?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 14, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    If we look closely at Obama and measured what he has done against the steel ruler that the Constitution represents, we will find that virtually nothing that he has done is part of his duties. He signed ObamaCare, which allows the government to force us to buy insurance and which forces employers to discard their religious beliefs in order to provide the abortifacients required by Obama. He legislates whenever he disagrees with bills that he has signed. He has modified ObamaCare for political purposes. A President is forbidden to legislate (Article 1, Section 1). He used the IRS for political purposes to harass his political enemies. He invited thousands of illegal immigrants into this country and provided buses to move them, and then demands that Congress give him almost $4 billion to solve that problem. Then there is Benghazi, the G.M. and Chrysler debacles, the Solyndra fiasco,

    Members of the LDS Church expect honesty and integrity in their religious leaders. It should be no surprise that they also expect Obama to have those qualities. He does not. He has not earned our respect nor our admiration.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    July 14, 2014 8:23 a.m.

    Why does DN use conservative funded researchers to offer explanations which follow the opinions of their bosses over and over? Could there be any connection with today's question?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    July 14, 2014 8:14 a.m.

    This Mormon supports Obama and thinks he has done a terrific job against unbelievable (literally) opposition.

    IMO Obama's a better Mormon than Romney. Obama's foreign policy has kept us out of stupid wars ("contention is not of me"), while Romney would have had our soldiers getting killed all over the landscape--Iran, Syria, Ukraine, Libya, Iraq, etc. ad nauseam. He's done his best to get affordable health care to everyone ("charity is the pure love of Christ") while Romney considered the "47%"--mostly elderly, disabled, or children--to be irresponsible and not worth helping.

    Yes, Obama is closer to my heritage of faith than Romney ever was.