Published: Friday, July 11 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
How far we've departed from the founders' vision of America!We've decided that people can't own slaves, that black people
don't count as 3/5 of whites, and that they are allowed to vote.We've allowed American Indians, Chinese, and Japanese to become
citizens.We've allowed women to vote....and even to own
property.We've allowed people to vote, even if they don't
own any property.We've tried--and failed--to forbid people from
buying, selling, and possessing alcohol.We're still trying to
keep people from growing hemp (a crop grown by George Washington's
slaves).We've spent tax dollars on the construction of canals,
railroads, and interstate highways.We've passed laws allowing
the federal government to regulate airplanes, radio, telephones, and the
Internet.We've founded public schools and universities, making
basic literacy and higher education available to more than a handful of elites
and clergy.We've developed muskets into assault rifles, machine
guns, and nuclear bombs.We've installed indoor toilets in our
homes, and let government build sewers to connect them to.But
subsidized health insurance? The founders are surely spinning in their graves!
Too bad there wasn't more outrage when Bush and Cheney willfully deceived
and lied their way into Iraq.Oh, I forgot, Bush and Cheney are still
wildly popular in Utah.I personally feel a lot of gratitude for our
current President and the amazing job he's done with the catastrophe he was
handed.... Gratitude for our state's "leadership"???? not so
much....In my opinion, they are largely a bunch of do-nothing, intransigent
obstructionists. There is a lot to be proud of in Utah, our elected officials
are not in the mix. It is truly embarrassing.
You're right!The sooner we re-introduce Slavery, Take-away Women's and Young People's Right to Vote, Let
Presidents rule until they die, Ban Alcohol and empower Gangsters, and Let Governors sign Extermination Orders against minorities... The Better! [need I even say - sarcasm off?]
Sure, Mr. Newman,I miss the good old days of slavery, women not
being able to vote, and a horse-drawn economy, too.
I believe the dream of the Founders is only now coming to fruition. In 1776 a sizable portion of our population was held in slavery and forced to
do work against their will and were subject to other despicable acts against
them. After a long struggle, a civil war and necessary legislation, those
individuals have the same rights as everyone else. In 1776 women
could not vote in this country and had no say in the workings of our nation,
despite their contribution throughout our culture. Today women can vote and
make up a sizable portion (about 20%) of our Congressional representatives.
Women are found in every aspect of business, government, space exploration and
culture and most would agree they have made a positive contribution to the
quality of our lives. Yes, with those freedoms come those who would
abuse them or use them for sinister purposes. And all we can do is continue to
promote the positive in life and hope others join the bandwagon. Let's at
least try to do that rather surmising that times were better then, when they
The obvious aside, you talk about what the founders envisioned. Do you think
they envisioned a country of 400 million people who talk with one another
instantly as they drive their car from state to state. Did they envision
travelling from America to Europe in less than a day? Did they envision a doctor
being able to take a persons heart out of their body then put it back in and all
is well.All of this drasticly effects our world and the way it
functions along with what serves freedom and what doesn't. This whole if just we could get back to the founders is about as unproductive
a way to think as is possible.
I just love the hate America first crowd. Our country started out at a time
when slavery was the norm and women had virtually no rights around the world.
From the beginning there were people in the U.S> opposed to slavery. While
those on the left constantly point to the 3/5th compromise, most do not seem to
understand that it was proposed by those who oppose slavery to limit the power
of the slave states. America has continually progressed in meeting our ideal of
all people being equal under the law.Unfortunately, the leftist
agenda has also progressed in convincing people that they need to rely on the
government to take care of them. We need the government to tell us what to
eat, how long we can work and to take money from one person and give it to
another person.I think the Founding Fathers would be proud of the
progress we have made in giving people equal rights. I also think they would be
shocked by how much liberty we have surrendered to have the government run our
Go back to what, exactly? To a time when the concept of the right to bear arms
wasn't warped as it is now and when it wasn't OK to bully others with
guns? To a time when corporations didn't have more rights than individuals
like they now do? Back to a time when it was perfectly OK to discriminate and
oppress other human beings? I would like to know.
If the clothing worn by screaming tea party people on tv is any indication,
'going back' isn't necessarily a good thing.
I think that you make a mistake in that the Declaration if Independence in 1776
created a country without a government. The United States of America actually
came in to being on Sept 17, 2787 when the Constitution of the United States was
voted on and passed by the delegates of the Constitutional Convention and later
ratified by the states.
Back when this country was founded, corporations weren't people and oil
companies didn't receive subsidies. In other words, republicans
would have hated it.
Did you know that only 35 to 45 percent of the colonists supported the war for
independence? The "founders" were primarily privileged,
European-educated aristocrats forcing their radical opinion on the majority.
This letter has no point, no direction. What, exactly, does it even mean?Why was it published?
Only 1.4% of Americans owned slaves, yet almost every comment in this thread
cites slavery. 98.6% of Americans did not participate in slavery. A civil war
was fought before slavery ended. 98.6% of the people either didn't care to
own a slave or had deep moral convictions against slavery. None of their
rhetoric mattered to the slave "owners". Pro slavery people used every
ungodly argument to justify their right to own another human being. Things haven't changed much. 2.5% of Americans are using many of the
pro-slavery arguments to justify their demand that the definition of marriage be
changed. Ether told us that any nation in America would either
worship Jesus Christ and prosper or worship other gods and perish. How many
nations in America must perish before people learn that Ether was telling the
Wow - It's like reading the underlying goal of the Nazis -- Going back to the "Golden Age", Making things the way they
"used" to be, Restoring Germany to it's "Glory
Days"."Going back" to a better time, in the past...Scarey.Look -- I'm Progressive because I'm
LDS.I believe in Eternal Progression.PRO-gress [forward] -- the
polar opposite of RE-gress [going back]If I may add --- Adam and Ever were told never to "go back"Noah was told not to
"go back"Lot and his Family were told not to "go back"Moses and the Children of Israel were told not to "go back"Lehi
and his family was told not to "go back"Brigham Young and the
Saints were told not to "go back"As i said -- I am
Progressive BECAUSE I'm LDS.and I am against anything Regressive.Especially going back to anything like 1938 Germany....
@Mike Richards"Things haven't changed much. 2.5% of Americans are
using many of the pro-slavery arguments to justify their demand that the
definition of marriage be changed. "That doesn't make any
sense at all unlike the separate-but-equal attitude pushed against gay people
that they should somehow be satisfied with just civil unions (granted some on
your side don't even support that).
Well, which "founders" do you mean? Alexander Hamilton is called
"the father of American capitalism" for good reason. We have become the
nation he wanted, for both good and ill. The political right wing rarely talks
@. Mike RichardsA small but vocal minority shut down the government
last year. They do not represent the people. This same minority prevented gun
control legislation, shot down min wage increases, and wants us back into Iraq.
Where were your comments against this minority then?
@Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahOnly 1.4% of Americans owned slaves,
yet almost every comment in this thread cites slavery. 98.6% of Americans did
not participate in slavery. A civil war was fought before slavery ended.========= Imagine that Mike -- A super minority
of only about 1% of the Rich and Wealthy were able to write Slavery INTO the
Constitution.Do you think it that utterly far fetched that they
can't do it again?and YES -- it took a Civil War and a
Constitutional Amendment by a very Liberal President to finally seize the Rich
man's "property" and free a minority of America's citizens
from their wealthy Masters.
"Only 1.4% of Americans owned slaves…" is not the point. It was
legal to own slaves in a country that was supposedly founded on the principle of
freedom. It is taken us two centuries to get that straightened out. Things are
better now than they were then. That's the point.
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