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Published: Friday, July 11 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

You could also put a carbon tax on imports so that U.S. manufacturers are not put at a disadvantage.

Centerville, UT

More taxes and more poverty as costs for goods for the poor skyrocket. Why do tax junkies hate poor people. Environmentalists, progressives hate poor people. Margaret Sanger offered her solution for the removal of poor people. Progressives still support her methods and programs.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Those of us who are in business know that ALL costs of doing business MUST be reflected in the prices that we charge. When I drive to a customer's place of business, the customers has to pay $0.55 per mile for all mileage, going and coming to his place of business. He has to pay for the time that it takes to drive to and from his business. He has to pay part of the cost of the computers I use to solve his problem. In the hourly charge that he pays are the hidden costs of electricity and heating that I use to run my business. He pays his share of the taxes that I owe on the money that I earn to service his account. In other words, my customers have to pay for everything associated with running my business, including the profit that I make.

Anyone who tells us that businesses will absorb the cost of a new tax know too little about running a business. ALL COSTS are passed on to the customer. ALL of them.

Sandy, UT

The only problem is that the U.S. cutting carbon emissions will have very little effect. Last week I heard one of the top climate scientists say that if we implement all of the plans that Obama wants it will only reduce global temperature by 0.5 degrees over 100 years. Wrecking our economy for such a marginal gain is not smart.

As for government incentives, we all saw how well Solyndra worked out. Billions of taxpayer dollars have been spent on green energy companies that went under. Of course many of their Obama supporting investors did not make out too badly as we covered their losses.

Everett, 00

@Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Anyone who tells us that businesses will absorb the cost of a new tax know too little about running a business. ALL COSTS are passed on to the customer. ALL of them.

7:17 a.m. July 11, 2014


If that be the truth -- per you yourself --
Then you have either been lying or not being 100% truthful.

Because raising the minumum wage wouldn't effect a BUSINESS or the Owners one single iota.

American Fork, UT

Americans will vehemently resist any kind of tax, regardless of how positive the outcome. It's why our infrastructure is falling apart. We went into the Iraq war with the promise of tax cuts. And so, we shall eschew any kind of levy to encourage development of a new energy economy, instead sticking to petrochemicals. The down side to that strategy, aside from the environmental damage, is that fossil fuels are going to get more expensive on their own. And we're not going to have the infrastructure in place to replace them.

Hayden, ID

If you want to incentivize alternative energy development, keep the government OUT of it! The government corrupts everything it touches! Have we learned nothing from Solyndra and dozens of other government subsidized disasters? Private businesses will develop alternative energy if there is a reasonable assurance they can do so profitably! Otherwise, it will never happen and the government squandering billions of taxpayer dollars can not, will not change that!

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

That just silly, we need to do as the republicans say, "Nothing." So, we will be dead, and it will be our children's problem. See, fixed the republican way. Kick that can down the (cracked, pot holed, rotting interstate) road, baby!

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Hayden, ID
If you want to incentivize alternative energy development, keep the government OUT of it! The government corrupts everything it touches! Have we learned nothing from Solyndra and dozens of other government subsidized disasters?


You guys and your Solyndra $200 million red-herring.

Tell you what --
I'll support you the very second you begin to critisize ALL corruption.
BIG Oil and their $25 Billion annual subsides,
The Corporate Welfare Queens of WallStreet,
and your friends and neighbors there in Idaho, the Farmers.

BTW --

Nuclear Energy -- Government funded.

Solar Panels were devolped by NASA -- under Government funding.

Modern Wind Turbines were devolped by Boeing and GE in the energy crisis of the 1970's using Government funding
[ironically, the Chinese build them now, because America dropped them and went back to cheap Middle Eastern Oil and Expensive Wars for it],

Bio-fuels -- Again, Government funded -- This time you can lay some of the blame on Utah State University.

But go ahead with your Government hating, Business worshipping....

It might make you feel better, but it is not reality.

one old man
Ogden, UT

There are many who say, "But why should we reduce emissions if China or India is still polluting?"

To them I ask, "If your neighbor uses their living room as a toilet, should you do the same?"

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Some people think that raising the minimum wage will not affect business. Have they ever got their heads in the sand. When government DICTATES that a business must pay a higher wage, the business owner has two choices: He can either raise prices or he can fire employees. He will not give the government anything. Either his customers will suffer or his employees will suffer.

ALL taxes, whether they be carbon taxes or minimum wage taxes are passed on.

When people have worked for Government all their lives they have too little experience about private sector issues to comment, but that doesn't stop them from telling us who own and operate businesses in the private sector how things work. That is Obama's problem. He thinks he knows how to run a country when he couldn't run a lemonade stand without government subsidies.

Springville, UT

@ Mike R., I think everyone agrees that raising the minimum wage affects business. Those who pay a higher wage acknowledge that it does, but it's a price they are willing to pay. It's good for business, good for employees, and good for society. Take Zingermans in Ann Arbor, Michigan. This deli and bakery pays higher wages and thrives. It's a fabulous operation. The employees are dedicated to the company and have a good attitude. Customer service is excellent. The product is terrific. Bigger companies have seen similar results. You operate under the assumption that only the short-term financial impact of the business should be the deciding factor. The rest of us look at the bigger picture. The government, from the days of Washington on, has always taken actions for the general welfare of the people. A higher minimum wage is in the greater good of all, including a well run business. Your cheap shot on President Obama doesn't change this fact. By the way, business has done very well overall under President Obama. I know you won't want to admit it, but the numbers don't lie.

Provo, UT

Businesses are doing a lot better under Obama, democrat rule, than they ever did under Bush, republican rule.

Salt Lake City, UT

@Mike Richards
We wouldn't have increasing wealth inequality in this nation if it weren't for rich people deciding to keep more for themselves rather than passing part of it along to the employees.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah


You and I agree on one thing, the numbers don't lie. Your example failed to account for the increased cost of almost everything in America when the minimum wage is raised. In the food industry, the farmer pays more to produce a crop. That cost is passed on. The pickers are paid more to pick and pack the produce. That cost is passed on. McDonalds passes those increased costs on as well as the increased costs of paying their own employee. Every shop in America raises prices to cover increased cost. Look it up. See why the cost of a meal has increased from $2.00 to almost $7.00 at McDonalds. See why your weekly groceries increased in cost from $20 a week to $150 a week - for the same items!

When costs increase, prices increase. If prices become too high, businesses fail. When businesses fail, people are fired. Unemployed people don't get a wage.

The "numbers" support everything I've written. The numbers don't lie.

Salt Lake City, UT

Taxes, incentives, blah, blah, blah. Typical contemporary liberalism. No, the federal government needs to establish a green energy corporation to drive green energy technology to completion. Think TVA.

Salt Lake City, UT

Mike Richards,

To your, "ALL COSTS are passed on to the customer. ALL of them", I would say, "No, not ALL of them (usually)".

To understand why not all costs are necessarily passed on in the form of price increases, you have to understand the following equation:

Unit Price = Marginal Direct Variable Cost + Allocated Overhead Cost + Profit Margin

Example: If it costs $0.60 in direct materials & labor to produce a "widget", and the per-unit share of overhead costs allocated to producing a "widget" is $0.30, then the selling price of the "widget" might be $1.00, yielding a profit margin of $0.10 per unit, or 10%. Let's also assume that this price happens to be the "sweet spot"; cutting the price to $0.95 doesn't yield enough increased sales to squeeze out more profit, and increasing the price to $1.05 decreases sales more than the $0.05 increase in marginal profit can make up for.

Salt Lake City, UT


In my example (all else being equal), if an added Carbon Tax increased the unit overhead cost from $0.30 to $0.34, the "widget seller" might only be able to increase the price to $1.02 without losing additional total profit, thus passing on $0.02 of the tax increase and absorbing the other $0.02 in decreased profit margin.

If you are always able to pass ALL of your fixed and administrative overhead cost increases on to your customers, then apparently you operate a monopoly, or sell a good or service that is so price-inelastic (like insulin) that all of your customers will continue to buy from you, regardless of the cost. Most business, however, have to take demand into their price-setting decisions, and usually end up passing on only part of any fixed and overhead price increases, and absorbing the rest.

Salt Lake City, UT

Re: Mountanman "If you want to incentivize alternative energy development, keep the government OUT of it!"

Nonsense! The most effective agency of all time to develop energy resources was and is the Tennessee Valley Authority - both hydro and nuclear. Your ideology is showing.

Springville, UT

@ Mike Richards, the biggest flaw in your argument is that an increase in the minimum wage doesn't work for business. The reality is that it is actually good in the long run. All the dire predictions made in the past when the minimum wage is increased have always proven wrong at the macro level.

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