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Published: Thursday, July 10 2014 12:00 p.m. MDT

Updated: Friday, July 11 2014 10:09 a.m. MDT

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kishkumen
American Fork, UT

I'm confused. Why are Christian religions asking for an exemption to be able to discriminate against LGBT people? Jesus Christ never did that. He spent a lot of time chastising the pharisees and other religious types who spent time judging and wanting to stone people who lived their lives differently from the way they did. I could see how some religions could be allowed to be exempt from some laws, but I am perplexed that religions using Christ's name are requesting permission to act like the pharisees did.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

It takes a lot of gall to ask for what they want.

JD Jones
Salt Lake City, UT

Asking for a religious exemption for discriminating against gays is asking for a special right.

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

kishkumen -

I guess we read different bibles. Where exactly were pharisees "wanting to stone people who lived differently"? They brought the woman found commiting adultery to be stoned. Christ never condoned her behavior - he forgave it. That is what he does.

Christ said throughout scripture to keep his commandments. When we do not, we can repent, which is to turn away from sin and toward obedience. He forgives when we confess and repent. He never condoned any sin.

You can't take Christ and the Gospel ala carte.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@RedWings
They can do what they want, but if they want gov't money, they have to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and that is following a non-discrimination ordinance just like Catholic Charities in Massachusetts.

kishkumen
American Fork, UT

RedWings: You changed the topic. You said Christ said to turn away from sin (which is correct). However, I wasn't talking about turning away from sin or saying we should condone it. I was talking about the practice of some Christians who are trying to turn away people they perceive to be sinners. In John 7:53-8:11, Christ pointed out that we all have sins and forgave the woman that people were condemning. That is my understanding of how followers of Christ should act. So, why are latter-day pharisees asking permission from our president to turn supposed sinners away from their work place?

Of course, Jesus never said that same gender sexual orientation and being in same sex relationships are sins. So, it is even more bizarre that these alleged Christians are talking about other people's sexual orientation in addition to judging them and trying to keep them out of their work place.

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

kishkumen:

My apology for misunderstanding your post. I agree that no one should hate the sinner. Christ did not. Neither do I. Neither should any of His followers.

Christ forgave the woman, then said, "go and sin no more". That is the critical part. Christ will forgive if we repent. He does not condone any sin. SS is not specifically mentioned in the NT because it was such an obvious sin to the Jews. Christ condemned all lust - not just men lusting for women.

As He has said, "It is not meet that I shoudl command in all things"....

Schnee: I agree with you on this issue. Sexual orienation should not be a factor in employment. It is irrelevant to one's ability to perform a job...

OneWifeOnly
San Diego, CA

Some of the items enumerated as “facts” in the article:
“It has nothing to do with the Hobby Lobby ruling”
“Religious organizations’ have long enjoyed exemptions for their hiring practices”

My understanding of the Hobby Lobby case is that because the government had an exemption in place for religious organizations then closely held corporations whose owners had an objection to the birth control mandate could also apply for an exemption.

In this case, religious organizations are asking for an exemption for their hiring practices. Shortly after that corporate owners will begin to apply for their exemption citing religious belief backed by the Hobby Lobby Ruling.

But, as the author said...”It has nothing to do with the Hobby Lobby ruling” but it has everything to do with legal discrimination (in my opinion). DN, continue to keep us posted as to which corporations apply for this exemption so I can choose to vote with my dollars by not shopping in their store.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@RedWings

Christ neither forgave her sins not condoned them.
He couldn't forgive until she actually repented of her sins, all Christ did was give her an opportunity to repent according to the new higher law he was giving.

Christ was the God of old testament, he said so himself.

Therefore he has spoken about the sin of homosexuality, and in the new testament added to it adding saying if you lusted in your heart you have sinned. And his apostles and disciples, as recorded in the new testament, have spoken against the practice of homosexuality as well.

Whether it is by my word or by my servant it is the same.

What more do you need concerning hoomosexuality?

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

@ the truth:

Excellent point. I have often heard in lessons covering the woman taken in adultery that Christ forgave her. However, he does not say that. He does not condemn her, then tells her to repent; "go and sin no more". Thanks for your insight...

Wraith & Stormwalker:

What is interesting is how easily SS proponents will resort to religious bigotry in defending their position. Bigotry is "hatred, fear or mistrust of a group based on personal bias". There is kust as much of this said toward traditional marriage proponents as there is toward gay marraige proponents. This difference is in the hypocrisy ffom SSM backers who tact as though their position justifies their bigotry....

Bubble
SLC, UT

Some religious people seem to want to create a special class for themselves in which they are "super citizens" not bound by the same rules of law as other citizens.

This will not bode well for the future of this country.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Full compliance with laws prohibiting discrimination must be a condition for eligibility for being awarded a government contract. A current government contractor found not in compliance should have their contract revoked and be subject to prosecution. As I feared, the Hobby Lobby ruling has had an immediate intoxicating effect on some businesses.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@RanchHand

Did Christ do any of those things?

IN this country the religious have the right to live their religion, and not have your "sin" forced upon them.

Why can't you just live sand let live? In other let the religious live their lives. They are citizens too.

Stormwalker
Cleveland , OH

If they want government money, they need to follow government rules. If they don't want to follow the rules, they can do without government money. I have a feeling that there are other organizations that would happily step into gap to take care of the poor without religious strings.

Jamescmeyer
Midwest City, USA, OK

Imagine if a man walked in to teach in a girls' classroom, dressed in Nun's garb, because they can't "discriminate" against his "gender identity".

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