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Published: Thursday, July 10 2014 11:40 a.m. MDT

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ekute
Layton, UT

"on a national scale" is what we've been talking about for 3 1/2 years. Big 12 call yet?

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Mormon Ute

If Utah is such a competitive, why is Utah routinely ignored, even by their own conference, when it comes to which games national broadcasters choose to televise?

btw, those shiny new facilities lose considerable luster when the Utes spend bowl week on the couch instead of on the playing field.

Recruits couldn't care less how difficult your SOS is if you're not competitive enough to qualify for a bowl.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Not only has BYU been better lifetime . . ." (
"Utah has been dominated by BYU on a national scale, FOREVER"

Ylittlebrother and skywalker:

There you go again, not letting facts get in the way of your certitude.

In fact, since 1922, when BYU decided they would officially play football, here are the measurements of who is "better and who has dominated:

Overall records
Utah: 628-435-31 (57.4% winning percentage)
BYU: 518-383-26 (55.9% winning percentage)

Bowl records:
Utah: 13-4 (76.4%)
BYU: 13-18-1 (40.6%)

Undefeated Seasons
Utah: 5
BYU: 1

Conference titles
Utah: 24, and counting
BYU: 23, and not counting

Head-to-head: Utah leads 57-34-4

Man, you guys sure like to live in the "LaVell Bubble"!

81Ute
Central, UT

@skywalker
BYU vs. Utah
31 wins
54 losses
4 ties
37% win average.

BYU will not overtake Utah in my lifetime.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

byu fans are a crack up. It isn't Utah's head coach the athletic director, its fans, or anyone else at the university who are groveling at the feet of power conferences begging for inclusion.

Holmoe has sold you people ponies and rainbows as you have dutifully marched down the independence path to no where.

The entertainment value you people provide is off the charts. Lol!!

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

skywalker,

Just stating the facts in response to Duckhunter. You can say all you want about what recruits want, but the recruiting class rankings are what they are. Obviously Utah's win/loss record is hurting recruiting in recent years as evidenced by the narrowing of the gap between Utah and BYU in 2014. That doesn't change the fact that the numbers don't support Duckhunter's claim or yours.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

JohnInSLC

Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but absolutely NOBODY cares about your 7- and 8-win "undefeated" seasons. They were so meaningless, that U didn't even get a sniff at a Top 25 ranking or bowl game.

As far as bowl records go, BYU has played more ranked teams in bowl games than Utah has played bowl games. Once again, absolutely NOBODY cares about your mediocre wins over other mediocre teams. Certainly not the polls.

ELEVEN of BYU's 13 bowl-winning teams finished the season ranked in the AP.

Only FIVE of Utah's 13 bowl-winning teams finished the season ranked in the AP.

FIVE of BYU's bowl-losing teams finished the season ranked in the AP.

NONE of Utah's bowl-losing teams have been ranked.

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Conference titles
Utah: 24, and counting
BYU: 23, and not counting

Sorry, but Utah only managed to win 6 WAC/MWC championships. Your previous conference titles were so meaningless that nobody outside the Rocky Mountain area even noticed - certainly not the bowls nor the polls.

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81Ute

The Utes built a huge early lead with a 30-year head start.

Since 1962, BYU has owned the series 29-23.
Since 1972, BYU has owned the series 32-15.

Go Big Blue!!!
Bountiful, UT

As a UT alum I would much rather see the Big XII lure Arizona and Arizona State from the PAC 12. Those schools would be a better fit for the Big XII than the Y.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

"Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but absolutely NOBODY cares about your 7- and 8-win "undefeated" seasons. They were so meaningless, that U didn't even get a sniff at a Top 25 ranking or bowl game."

And so you come back with numbers that prove beyond a shadow of doubt how relevant byu is. Seriously? And to think that byu is still independent. Gasp! That's how much EVERYBODY cares about byu.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"absolutely NOBODY cares"

Rockwell:

Ordinarily, people who use words like "Forever" and "Lifetime" should care.

Your response is ypical, though. Nothing like changing the parameters to fit the cougar narrative.

sammyg
Springville, UT

JohnInSLC

And nothing changes the narrative that the Utes and their fans are the Rodney Dangerfield's of their conference.

Whining all day long... we get no respect. Deflecting from reality on a daily basis.

B-b-b-but we're in a P5 conference. And what has that got you...

4-5,3-6,2-5, and bowl-less for the last two years kind of says it all.

Sorry chum, BYU's past accomplishments carries them so much farther than the Rodney Dangerfield's of the PAC10.2.

BYU has a list of accomplishments and with that it does get a narrative along with the media attention and the respect Ute fans so wished they had.

What a bunch of bitter and jealous whiners.

It's pretty pathetic and hilarious at the same time.

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

"If the Cougars are going to join the Power 5, the conference that makes most sense is the Big 12, Matich said. All time, BYU owns a 17-21 record against current Big 12 teams."

I love it how the authors at DNews always love to make it sound like BYU is just sitting back at a big table with all the P5 offers laid in front of them, just thinking, "I just can't decide which one to choose."

LOL!

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

65TossPowerTrap
Salmon, ID
If joining the Big-12 means being a doormat like Utah in the Pac-12 - forget it. I'd rather stay independent.

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So... basically you're saying "I'd rather APPEAR to be a contender than REALLY be a contender."

Whatever floats your boat. But that's Poser 101.

I'm glad Utah has manned up and is trying to be a real force -- ya know, one that isn't always immediately followed by "yeah, but they play a weak schedule as a mid major." Even though so far we are losing that fight.

Enjoy that.

now and again
Stafford, VA

@ Two For Flinching:

Interesting comment, in view of the fact that the Utah was 2-7 against P5 competition last year.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

sammyg
Springville, UT

"Sorry chum, BYU's past accomplishments carries them so much farther than the Rodney Dangerfield's of the PAC10.2.

BYU has a list of accomplishments and with that it does get a narrative along with the media attention and the respect Ute fans so wished they had."

Again, the only people who care about what you call "accomplishments" are byu fans. Clearly, those who count are not impressed. How's independence? Not good? Head football coach doesn't like it, basketball coach doesn't like it, fans don't like it, Athletic Director can't deliver. Too bad.

Rise and shout!

CO Ute
PARKER, CO

You know what really bothers me? Y fans that claim to speak for Utah (and vice versa).

I would love to have BYU join a real conference and have absolutely no concern about recruiting. What many of you don't understand is there is a large population of non-Mormons that would NEVER consider going to BYU. Many people have an issue with the LDS religion and may recruits have no interest in following your honor code. You can reply that you don't want that type of kid, and that's fine, but conference affiliation or not there will be plenty of recruits for Utah.

Eddie
Syracuse, UT

U fans must be afraid of something or otherwise they would have moved on. They claim they are so much more superior, but keep coming back to anything BYU. It is like someone driving and keeps looking in the rear view mirror and crashes.....well that is what has happened. They crashed and landed at the bottom of the pac12. The Utes are going no where real fast. At least BYU is in the news and people are talking. No one and I repeat, no one is talking about the u. There is just nothing to talk about. Nothing to see here folks, move on. Oh and take your banners and stickers with you.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

"Undefeated Seasons
Utah: 5
BYU: 1"

So, Utah has 5 attempts at a national championship but fails. BYU has one single undefeated season, but it leads to a national championship.

That is proof that BYU is more relevant nationally than Utah is.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Riverton Cougar

Army won a bunch of titles back in the day, are they relevant? Even more recently CU won a title in 1991, are they relevant?

DPTCougar
Eagle Mountain, UT

What's everyone talking about a travel partner? You sound idiotic. Teams don't travel together. Do you really think it costs that much more for Texas to fly to Provo than it does to KU? No, they all charter their own flights. Geographic location and travel partners have little relevance.

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