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Published: Thursday, July 10 2014 11:40 a.m. MDT

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CKS007
Clearfield, UT

Wow, yet another article about BYU and the Big12. If it happens, it happens. However it won't happen tomorrow or even next month. So why post another duplicate article about something that won't happen for years (if it happens at all)?

coyote120
Saratoga Springs, UT

@SoonerUte

coyote120 "BIG 12 is in a tough position using the "One Champion" format. If it fails then they will want to expand. If it succeeds then the other conferences will be complaining"

SoonerUte"When (not if) that happens, that league will consider dropping their CCG rather than complaining about the Big12 not having one."

Your point is a good one and things may workout that way; but, 12 team conferences can’t use the Round Robin format, the CCG is a natural fit into the new playoff system; there is a lot of revenue to be had from the CCG and if everyone has a CCG then system becomes equal. The BIG12 will have to expand at some point.

Utehaterforlife
West Valley, UT

Silly Ute fans, your just as competitive as BYU is with the P5, how about you stop the trash talking until you make it to a bowl game in conference.

DeepBlue
Anaheim, CA

BYU's 17-21 versus current Big 12 members as well as Bronco's 9-9 record versus the PAC 12 are better than Kyle's 13-21 record versus the PAC 12.

Of course, it's difficult to see that when you're wearing those crimson shades.

Utah'95
FPO, AE

skywalker,

If you want to play the "with just a play or two" game, Coach Whittingham could just as easliy be 9-0 against Bronco as Coach Mendenhall being 7-2 against Utah.

Yes, most of the Utah-BYU games have been extremely competitive. But at the end of the day, what matters is who won.

Utah has won 4 of the last 5, 7 of the last 10, 10 of the last 15, and 13 of the last 20.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

The Big12 had Colorado as a member, BYU isn't that far from Boulder and would make little difference with ease of travel like we have today. BYU has shown it's willing to travel, travel is NOT the issue of Big12 expansion...

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

DeepBlue
Anaheim, CA

"BYU's 17-21 versus current Big 12 members as well as Bronco's 9-9 record versus the PAC 12 are better than Kyle's 13-21 record versus the PAC 12."

If the point you are making is that it takes more to be in the Pac-12 than beating the least competitive teams over a 10 year period, you are right. Which is exactly the reason byu is not in the Pac-12. As I have stated repeatedly...the Pac-12 is well out of byu's reach.

Isn't independence wonderful? Mendenhall doesn't want it, the fans don't want it, but Holmoe just can't deliver. Too bad.

Rise and shout!

Kora
Cedar Hills, UT

Personally I can see BYU moving to the Big 12 with Boise State. They are both solid teams with good Resumes. I mean both teams are much better than Kansas or Iowa State with better followings than either of those teams, and add more Financially.

BlueNtheFace
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

I keep reading comments from self-reported non-BYU haters like Mormon Ute saying that they'd love love love for BYU to get an invite from the BIG 12. It would make the state of Utah so much richer in college football prestige AND BYU would see how tough it would be to play week to week talented teams.

Don't fool yourselves. A huge piece of you would die. You couldn't hold the conference affiliation/sticker contest winner over our heads any longer, for one. Also, BYU would fare better than you in a P5 for a couple of reasons. Our recruiting base will expand exponentially and at a faster rate due to our name recognition (past individual/team awards) and because the LDS athletes who would opt for P5 schools can now go to their church's school. We have a fairly large booster organization and extra sports revenue that can support expansion a little better than the U, as well.

Sad times are a-coming for the Ute fans.

Go Cougs.

DeepBlue
Anaheim, CA

Utah'95

At the end of the day, despite Utah's recent head-to-head success, BYU has been better overall.

Bottom line:

Utah has won more recent battles, but BYU has won the war.

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

ekute

"I doubt that anybody in Alabama would deny the Tide was owned by the Utes on Jan. 2, 2009."

I guarantee that NOBODY outside of Uteville would consider Utah to even be in the same stratosphere as Alabama.

Utah's win over Alabama was the equivalent of Appalachian State's win over Michigan.

Nothing more than a fluke upset.

Utah's program has been in steady decline since that upset win.

Utah'95
FPO, AE

DeepBlue,

"Recent battles?" I posted the win-loss totals of the Utah-BYU game over the last 20 years. Do you really consider 1994 recent?

BYU dominated Utah in football for two decades, but that ended over twenty years ago.

What "war" has BYU won?

Whoa Nellie
American Fork, UT

Isn't there a good team in North Dakota that would be a good traveling partner for BYU?

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

BlueNtheFace
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

"A huge piece of you would die. You couldn't hold the conference affiliation/sticker contest winner over our heads any longer, for one. Also, BYU would fare better than you in a P5 for a couple of reasons. Our recruiting base will expand exponentially and at a faster rate due to our name recognition (past individual/team awards) and because the LDS athletes who would opt for P5 schools can now go to their church's school. We have a fairly large booster organization and extra sports revenue that can support expansion a little better than the U, as well."

LOL! First, byu has to be invited to the Big 12. Contrary to what you most byu fans seem to believe byu can't invite themselves. Remember, byu and its fans spent 30 years talking about their immanent inclusion in the Pac-10. How did that work out for you? Then, we'll see if the rest of your assertions have any merit whatsoever. It's easy to talk big (byu fans are experts) when there is nothing to prove.

Until then, just know that Utah has already accomplished what you are waiting and begging for.

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

Utah'95

BYU has won the overall, season-long accomplishment war.

Can you dispute that 17 AP Top 25 Finishes isn't much better than 5?

Can you dispute that 23 conference championship isn't much better than 6?

Can you dispute that a 66% winning percentage during the last 52 years isn't much better than 55%?

Can you dispute that 11 11+ win seasons isn't much better than 2?

Can you dispute that 32 bowl games isn't much better than 17?

It's laughable that Utah fans only want to talk about "recent" success, when the truth is, you have absolutely NO historic success.

Utah didn't even crack the AP Top 25 until 1994 and never had an 11+ win season until 2004.

Hey Baby
Franklin, IN

Kind of like the bird pontificating if it should become a reptile ?

It may want to but can't...the big 12 wants nothing to do with TSDS...

BYU will drop sports before they play in a conference that matters.

ekute
Layton, UT

We lost the battles, were rejected everywhere we turned... but... "We won the war!" lol.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Utah'95

"BYU dominated Utah in football for two decades, but that ended over twenty years ago."

The only reason Utah fans only want to talk about head-to-head success is because Utah has been dominated by BYU on a national scale, FOREVER.

In fact, BYU's domination has been so complete on a national scale that Utah fans don't even try to dispute it.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Duckhunter,

I just need to correct some factual inaccuracies in your post. First, Utah has plenty to offer recruits other than Pac 12 membership. First and foremost the new football training facility is widely reported by the media and former athletes who have seen both Utah's and BYU's as being superior. Then you have our stadium which has been more recently updated and is ranked near the top of the Pac 12 in terms of advantage it provides our team. We also happen to sell out a higher percentage of our games than BYU does which contributes to that home field advantage.

Now, as far as recruiting classes go, you were right about one thing, it isn't even close. But you got it the wrong way. Yahoo Sport has Utah ranked ahead of BYU in recruiting classes for 2011 - 2014. Here are the numbers, 2011: Utah 37 BYU 63; 2012: Utah 28 BYU 62; 2013: Utah 44 BYU 71; 2014: Utah 67 BYU 71. So tell me, if BYU consistently gets more top rated recruits than Utah, how can Utah's recruiting classes be ranked so much higher?

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

ekute

We were invited to be nothing more than cannon fodder for the big boys of a P5 and aren't even good enough to qualify for a bowl anymore, but we won a few battles against a rival that we supposedly don't even care about anymore! LOL!

Hey Baby

BYU will join the Big 12 looooong before the Utes make the playoffs.

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