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Published: Thursday, July 10 2014 11:40 a.m. MDT

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Missouri Coug
Greenwood, MO

I don't understand how the so-called FIVE can control college football, since ALL schools fall under the rules of the NCAA...If so, shouldn't ALL schools have the same opportunities??? Being from the Midwest: Kansan by birth, Missourian by history, and a Texan by heart, BYU IS THE PERFECT FIT FOR THE BIG 12. There is a STRONG POPULATION OF BYU FANS In every Big 12 STATE...
SO BRING IT ON....GO COUGARS!!!!

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

I would love to see BYU in the Big 12 but the reality is there isn't another attractive program to bring with them to get to a championship game and make expansion worthwhile. BYU may bring a large enough quality brand but who else does to join them? Answer: No One. If there had been no one else to join with Utah (Colorado) that commanded a large tv market (Denver), and owned the desired AAU and research status (Colorado) does anyone honestly think the PAC would have taken Utah? No they wouldn't have. That's the reality for BYU, no one else can join with them that brings enough to the table...then on top of that there's no Sunday play, a reputation for entitlement (deserved or not). These are all hurdles that BYU will have to overcome to ever be in the Big 12.

I think Louisville going to the ACC hurt BYU far more than people realize. They would have been a perfect combination...travel for WVU and a quality brand. Big 12 snoozed and they lost...in the end BYU may have lost also.

65TossPowerTrap
Salmon, ID

If joining the Big-12 means being a doormat like Utah in the Pac-12 - forget it. I'd rather stay independent.

IQ92
hi, UT

Be patient BYU.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

The Big 12 needs to get dropped from the playoff due to not having played a CCG before they finally go ahead and add a pair of teams, but even when they DO decide to expand, it won't be Holmoe's phone that'll be ringing. When the Big 12 expands, they'll take 2 of the following 4 teams: Cincinnati, UCF, USF, and Tulane. Personally, I think they'll go for UC and UCF in order to tap into the Ohio and Florida markets. USF could also get the Big 12 into Florida, but UCF had the better Football program, and the larger alumni association. Tulane is the long shot, as it does nothing more than get the Big 12 a bigger toehold into New Orleans/LA. But one thing that's for sure...it won't be the Y. If the Y decides to join a conference, it'll have to petition C-USA, because the MWC won't take 'em back. They'd already burned that bridge.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

The problem I have is that none of these teams are our traditional regional rivals. We've had pretty much the same group of teams for a lot of years and they are in our region. Sometimes I think that TV and money have ruined college football. I liked it a lot better when we were all in the MWC. Sure, I didn't like the TV mess that was created by "The Mountain." But, it was our traditional conference with our traditional rivals.

I realize the a lot of what propels BYU football is the exposure for the Church and the current national TV deal is great for that. I just have nostalgia for the days when we had our traditional group of western teams and everything didn't have to hang on getting a national championship.

SportsChemistry
ENGLEWOOD, CO

Che26

Until the Cougs win the WCC in men's basketball or baseball, winning the Commisioners Cup is akin to getting the best overall GPA but only "B"s in the hardest classes. The Big XII had two of the four teams in the CWS this year and seven teams go to the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament. I'm not prognosticating that things won't change in the future, but we aren't currently in a position to tell the Big XII that we are all that and a bag of chips when we can't seem to have a monster season in football or a dominant showing in basketball.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

"I would love to see BYU in the Big 12 but the reality is there isn't another attractive program to bring with them to get to a championship game and make expansion worthwhile. BYU may bring a large enough quality brand but who else does to join them? Answer: No One."

So, the underlying assertion here is that the only reason it isn't in a Power 5 conference is the fault of every other university that can't qualify. Is that what you are saying?

Honestly, cougsndawgs, there are times when your comments are insightful and absolutely ring true. Then there are times when you are just flat out off your meds. It's incredibly hard to understand how you people see byu as everything that everyone wants to have and to be a part of when the message communicated over and over again is rejection. How do you people live in a such a perpetual state of denial?

btw...like it or not, cougsndawgs, Utah meets the criteria of the Pac-12 which is well out of reach for byu.

Colo. Aggie
Loveland, CO

I think BYU blew it when they didn't do everything possible to join the Big 12 a few years ago. Unfortunately, the Big 12 has now added WVU. I just don't see the league now adding another school with no travelling partner that is in yet another own time zone. If the Big 12 expands, they are going to add another school from the east before anything else. I fully expect the Big 12 to look east going forward and not west. BYU should have had a great shot at the Big 12 when everything was in chaos. However, from all reports it seems like BYU thought they could name their own price rather than offering everything possible to get into the league. This was a big mistake. I'm afraid they are now locked out as the Big 12 looks east and not west. As far as the MWC goes, I think BYU burned too many bridges when they left. Therefore, the MWC is probably not an option either. Suddenly, the decision to go independent is not looking near so smart as it seemed a few years ago.

coyote120
Saratoga Springs, UT

BIG 12 is in a tough position using the "One Champion" format. If it fails then they will want to expand. If it succeeds then the other conferences will be complaining that the Big 12 has an advantage with 10 teams and the BIG 12 will be forced to expand. Big 12 expansion is coming ,the real question is who will be available for the picking when they do.

ArgoFY
Salt Lake City, Utah

Cougsndawgs:

"That's the reality for BYU, no one else can join with them that brings enough to the table."

That's exactly the type of logic and hubris continually displayed by byu and its fans which will keep byu from joining the big kid's table. The Big XII explicitly stated that NO team(s) currently add enough value to warrant an invite to the conference.

Taysom4Heisman
Heber City, UT

There are 2 statements that contradict each other:

1) BYU won't get into the Big 12 even though they are a worthy team because of one problem. Who will join them? The Big 12 can't find a team to join BYU.
2) BYU won't get into the Big 12 because Houston/UCF/Cincinatti are better options and they would add those schools before BYU.

Well, which is it?

Some people say that the Big 12 can't find another option out west. Here's my question with that.

Who cares?

Adding BYU and UCF gets you into 2 completely new markets. It makes more money than BYU and Boise who are essentially the same market, or BYU and Houston, since Houston is already in the Big 12 market.

Obviously, with Iowa St. and West Virginia far away from another conference member, the Big 12 does not care about travel partners or geographic proximity, so saying we need another team out west is ridiculous.

Some people say, "Travel will be too much with BYU."

There are these sweet inventions called airplanes that make travel quick and the price isn't much different from Austin to Norman than it is than from Provo to Morgantown.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

I'd like to see this poll question:
"Should BYU join the Big 12 if it means finishing behind 2-7 TCU?"

Of course, avid Cougar fans will comb through their statistics back to 1972 and make a case for why -- on paper -- the team should do better. But reality is found on the field. On the field, TCU owned BYU in the MWC. On the field, BYU would fare no better than TCU, so replacing TCU as the league doormat should be expected.

Simple Yes or No. Would you want to see BYU "accepted" into the majors, if the cost of acceptance is finishing 2-7 in conference play year after year?

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

@MyPerspective

If you believe Utah is a superior school to BYU simply because of PAC-12 membership, then it is you who are delusional. You commented on another article how BYU fans can't "get past" Utah because they keep on commenting. Well, an honest search and evaluation will show that far more Utah fans comment on BYU articles with more regularity than BYU fans on Utah articles. And considering that BYU's fanbase is significantly larger, that says a lot. I really don't see a need to go to Utah articles and mock Utah because I let the facts speak for themselves. A starting QB wouldn't mock the 2nd string QB unless the starting QB wasn't confident in his superiority.

@Uteology

"That can't be right can it? We've been told over and over that BYU would be competitive in a P5 league. Didn't Phil Steel rank BYU in the middle of the pack of P5 leagues this year?"

Well, that's certainly better than what Utah has done, so I wouldn't talk. Besides, being in the middle is pretty close to being competitive; is the #5 team in the Big 12 considered to be competitive?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Cougdawg

Let me see if I understand you correctly. The ONLY reason that BYU is still in 40 years of discussions with the Big 12 is because lack of qualified programs to join with you? Priceless!!

Alpine Coug
Alpine, UT

Ekute: Spin it anyway you want, the MWC would kill to have BYU back as their cornerstone program. BYU will never ever willingly choose to return to the MWC.

81Ute: Thanks for your sympathy for us poor long-suffering BYU fans. Not so sure why so much credence is given to what WVU's AD (Luck) has said. Is he the new spokesman for the Big XII or does he see BYU as a future competition? Pretty certain that he will have little, if any, say about BYU's future invitation to the Big XII.

Brave Sir Robin: While there is 0% chance of you ever landing a date with Sophia Vergara, there is at least a 60%-75% chance that BYU will end up in one of the P5 or eventual Super Conferences when the smoke settles. Gladly take those odds!

CO Ute
PARKER, CO

Should the Y try to join a P5 conference like the Big 12? Yes, most likely the best move.
Is the Big 12 going to invite them to join? Well, that isn't most likely going to happen soon.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

coyote120 "BIG 12 is in a tough position using the "One Champion" format. If it fails then they will want to expand. If it succeeds then the other conferences will be complaining"

A CCG is optional. The SEC established the CCG as a way to make extra money. The Big 12 learned a hard lesson that an upset in the CCG can cost your league a shot at the National Title.

What you describe is possible, but a more likely scenario is the PAC/B1G/SEC/ACC losing a shot at the NC due do an upset in their own CCG. When (not if) that happens, that league will consider dropping their CCG rather than complaining about the Big12 not having one.

Go Big Blue!!!
Bountiful, UT

Should the y go Big 12 or stay independent? Will the u ever be relevant in the PAC 12? blah blah blah . . . New off-season same old stories.

That is the problem with the excessive emphasis on being eligible to theoretically play for the NC. It has ruined many of the great things about college football such as healthy regional rivalries and the pride of winning your conference title.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

@MyPerspective

If you believe Utah is a superior school to BYU simply because of PAC-12 membership, then it is you who are delusional. You commented on another article how BYU fans can't "get past" Utah because they keep on commenting. Well, an honest search and evaluation will show that far more Utah fans comment on BYU articles with more regularity than BYU fans on Utah articles.

LOL, the Pac-12 performed the evaluation and made the call...byu was found wanting for well documented reasons. Put down the comic books.

Regarding comments on byu articles...there is nothing going at Utah right now. No potential NCAA violations. No angst about deserving more than we have (who could ask for a better situation than Utah is in?)asking for entitlements. No body in Utah's athletic department is groveling for respect. Nope. None of that going on at Utah. It's boring.

Thank goodness for byu articles.

Rise and shout!

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