The growth always happens where the cheap land and housing is and the bill for
new schools tends to fall on the established areas where businesses and bigger
homes are. Its a tough sell to try and pry money from the wealthy side to fund
buildings in the poorer side. If they did form a new district I would
like to see them limit the size of the district and put caps on the salaries,
there are a number of superfluous positions in every district.
It was a good thing to consolidate a hundred years ago, when every school was
its own district. With growth, however, our districts are now too big. Many
studies now show that there is an optimum size for both performance and
economies of scale, and that size is far below the size most of our Wasatch
Front districts are.
So many people who are opposing the option of dividing are just spouting before
researching. I challenge you to look at the facts and the reasoning before
judging. These can be found at smallerschools.org. Studies there show that two
smaller districts (or several) are not necessarily more expensive than one big
one. Some districts with the lowest administrative costs per student have less
than 5000 students - right here in Utah! Of course a Daggett School District is
expensive, because they are so small and spread out, but Juab and Logan and many
others in Utah are better than Jordan. Big districts have big bureaucracies,
that smaller ones don't need.We would be better off along the
Wasatch Front by dividing all of our big districts into community-sized
districts. There would end up being more support for schools and more
satisfaction with them too.
Sounds like a few richies from south Jordan have sour grapes!Listen,
we the people don't want anymore district splits. They end up costing the
public more, restricting teachers, and hurting students. Richies,
send your kids to a private school. But leave public education alone.
To "Gunner" the problem is that if the district splits, you have a lot
more administration to pay for. You will now have a Superintendent,
secretaries, HR personnel, and about 2 dozen specialists or more to hire. Plus,
you will have to find office space for all of those people. The Superintendent
will most likely run about $150,000/yr, and the specialists are almost all
senior teachers, so they will cost around $70,000/yr or more.So,
unless you can find a way of saving over $2 million/yr, financially it
doesn't make sense to split. You will end up taking money out of the
classrooms to pay for useless administration.
I hate to say this, but to be honest I think that this is really a high-stakes
game of chicken by the South Jordan city council. There is no benefit to the
citizens or children of South Jordan by trying to go it alone, and a great deal
of harm that can be done to ALL of us if we take this too far.No,
the Jordan School District isn't perfect, but no district is. But trying
to force one municipalities opinion upon everyone else simply because a few
highly-placed individuals don't like the way one bond election turned out
is NOT the way to go. It is time for cooler heads to prevail. And
realistically, it is time for this ridiculous district split law to be repealed.
It has done and will continue to do significant harm to the children of Utah.
Well, if we aren't overspending on property for future schools, that leaves
more money for textbooks, materials, more teachers etc. You're correct,
that if they don't use it for those things, then yes, it won't matter.
Maybe by splitting, they can have more control over administration salaries as
well. Again, until I see the numbers from the final studies, I'm not
forming an official opinion yet. I also agree on your comment about CC. That
Corner Canyon school is nicer than some 4 star hotels!
To "Gunner" that is nice to have the control, but will it improve
learning? Aren't there more important issues in education than who
controls the money? What good does it do to control how the money is spent if
it costs $1 million/year more than remaining part of the larger district?The districts and the schools do not really care about the kids, because
if they did so we would have smaller district overhead and better money
management in the districts around the state. Plus, if the district really
cared about the kids, they would have stopped CC from existing and would be
working to get control of curriculum back to the local level.
RedShirtCalTech: The point is they can control how spending is done for one.
Right now Jordan School District has overpaid for property for future schools as
one example. By splitting, they have the control of what is spent where, and
how much is spent. Spending has a great deal to why they would want to split.
I'm not forming an opinion until I see all the studies. But as a life long
resident of So. Jordan, and having 5 kids in schools there, I can for a fact
state that the comment about only having 12 kids in a class is complete
nonsense! Every one of my kids have 30-32 kids in their classes. And for the
comment "The council members message we care about kids but only our
kids.", Just what other kids should the So. Jordan Council be concerned
with? They work for the citizens of So. Jordan. South Jordan kids are exactly
who they should be caring about.
Some things are not openly talked about in polite society in regards to why
South Jordan would want to go it on their own. If I lived in South Jordan, I
would probably choose to break away. If I were a teacher, I would probably
choose to teach in South Jordan rather than some of the other areas.
What I want to know is what is the point? They can't change curriculum,
can't change testing, can't change boundaries, can't do a lot of
things even if they had control. Do they have a plan to actually reduce costs
and improve teaching, or is this just a feud between administrators and the
Remember that when districts split, you effectively double the administrative
costs-two superintendents, two school boards, (yikes!), several more district
office buildings, etc., etc., etc. West Jordan will find itself in the
crosshairs of what they complained about with the Jordan/Canyons split, except
that a small percentage of voters (those who actually do vote) will have a say
in the decision.
This is what happened when voters decided not to build new schools. Good job you
@ Chuck E. RacerBy your logic, "in order to grow, division is
necessary", economies of scale would have no value. And yet, spreading the
cost over a larger tax base is a critical way to keep costs down!I
agree with michaelitos, duplication of overhead and spreading the cost over a
smaller tax base is not the right way to go!
South Jordan just wants to split because they think West Jordan is bring them
down with test results and money. If South Jordan wants to split, only they got
to pay back all the money West Jordan spent to make thier schools. My wife
work for West Jordan and is currently doing and inter. ship at an Ele. school in
South Jordan and was shocked at there only being 12 students in a classroom
compared to the school she is teaching at, in West Jordan, which has more then
30 students a class. If there is mismanaging of money then maybe South Jordan
should have more students in each classroom oke the rest of West Jordan.
How is the duplication of administrative overhead, the decrease of the tax
(cost) base, and the narrowing of educational opportunities good for anyone?
It is not the school board members' fault. It is not the
administration's fault. It just is not possible politically to get support
to build the schools needed in growing areas in large districts. It's not
possible to come to agreement over many different communities and different
needs.There isn't a way they could really do it better with the
current size. The SIZE is the problem, not the administration or board members!
It ought to be divided, and it can be done efficiently, if the administration
and everyone works together to make it work instead of fighting it like they did
with the original division.In order to grow, you HAVE to divide,
just as the body does with cells. Our bodies would not work well as one big
I bet these South Jordan council members were up in arms when the east side
broke away from Jordan. It all comes back to money. The biggest tax base in
Jordan school district is South Jordan and these couple council members decided
they want to keep all their money in South Jordan. If this is the current trend
and it continued what would education in West Valley look like compared to
Draper? The council members message we care about kids but only our kids.
South Jordan may be getting over their head with wanting to split with the
school district. If they put their money in the already existing district they
will be better off in the long run than starting their own district. My wife
used to work there before we had to move and I worked a lot with the school
district and don't really see a need to split. I lived in South Jordan and
I feel they think they are much better than everyone else. If they split, they