I hope some of these Jazz fans realize that we can't just sign whoever we
want (Turner etc). These players actually have to want to play in Utah. In
order to get players to come to Utah, we have to over pay them. Gordon does
make too much money now, but why not pay him. We have no other options. Ya
sure, start a rookie and wait till he devolops to be put in the same situation 4
years from now. Ya not worth it. Great signing!
Hayward is more valuable than most of you think, and the Jazz know it and will
match the offer and it is the right thing to do. Ignorance is bliss and a lot of
the comments show ignorance.Evan Turner is a bust and not nearly as good
as his draft position would indicate, that is why he is being traded and
released, he will get picked up but he's not that good. Deng was good but
is showing signs of being past his prime. The Jazz just need to keep on their
path and it will work out , I think they know more than these arm chair
GM's making comments on this article.
This kid is not worth max money.As vitaman said he had his chance to
prove it after the end of last seasonwhen Lindsey said "This is
Gordon's team". How did that work out?Do all of you who
want this to happen think that if he gets max money he willmagically start
producing?Lets hope the young guns get minutes forget this guy.
I am beginning to think this is a crummy deal. Get Williams back, and Turner or
Ariza. Spend a little money to upgrade Burks and Kanter's contracts. Even
if Hayward turns out to be better then the experts think, he is in the East
where he can show how good he is for three years then apply the greed factor all
good player, not a great player, say goodbye!
It looks like the only real comparable option to Hayward, Chandler Parsons, is
now off the table (and he is getting Max also from Mavs) so I think you really
have to match now. I think a lot of his shooting inconsistencies and turnovers
last year were a result of Corbin's inept offensive system (look at all of
the other Jazz players thriving after they left, especially Millsap/Carroll in
Atlanta). I think with Snyder's pick 'n roll system and with having
Exum will take a lot of pressure of Hayward, and his numbers should go up.
He's got the full set of skills. The Jazz had a chance to sign him at
$13mil/year and lost the gamble so it will unfortunately cost them a few more
million, but they have Cap room for a few years and can still sign Kanter/Burks.
You can't let another asset get away for nothing. All of the other free
agent options, even if they are cheaper, are..Meh.. (Deng, Turner, Ariza,
Young). This is not another AK situation (only 4 years with increasing Cap)
Rodney Hood was a great draft choice. The fact that both Coach Snyder and Hood
have Duke connections is interesting. Unfortunately, as much as I like Hayward,
I believe that Hood has more potential than he does. It would be a mistake to
sign him for all of that money. Actually, it would be another AK as has been
mentioned in other comments. As Aretha Franklin sang in "The Blues
Brothers", "you better think about it".
Anyone who thinks we should match needs to go back and read Brad Rock's
article containing the analysis of the SUU Professor on comparative worth.
Gordon had his chance to be a max money guy. He could not handle it. My
experience in buying other businesses had been that sometimes the best deal you
make may be the one you walk away from. It is not that we can't afford
this today. It is what impact it has on the future of the team. We have been
down this road before and most local sports reporters thought we needed to do
the same thing with AK. It was a huge mistake. It was also one we could not
trade our way out of. When performance does not match compensation who wants to
take that headache for you. It is not the only time we have done it either.
Have we all forgotten Ostertag. Keep the money and let Dennis Lindsey prove he
can build a team that can compete.Take this opportunity to stick it
back to Jordan.
how many people with this working would come back to Utah to coach a kids
clinic? Jazz will match as they should. The real question is who else could the
Jazz get. Nobody worth anything. As for the lottery, I've had all of it I
want. This team will win and all you boo birds can sit on a sharp
fence. Reggie is tweeting about Stephenson but nobody except Bird is willing to
put up with him besides the 10 or 11 million that Bird offered him is not
exactly chicken feed.
Let him go. If this happens, the Jazz will have one less team in the running for
Burks next year. If the Jazz match this offer, you better believe teams will be
handing out max offers for Kanter and Burks just to mess with the Jazz.
Some stats/trends:Haywards effective field goal percentage was just
45.4 percent last season. Low.Per Synergy Sports, he scored 0.88 of
a point per possession in 2013-14, = 281st in the league. He can
grab rebounds, but won just 23.3 percent of contested rebounds (in other words,
rebounds with an opponent within 3.5 feet). And his overall defense isn’t
great — opposing teams scored 111.9 points per 100 possessions when he was
on the court for Utah last season and 109.5 when he was off. Horrid!!Opposing players posting up Hayward shot 54.2 percent, and 43.4 percent when
using a pick-and-roll against him.Here is how Hayward stacks up to
the best of the first 10 selections in the 2010 NBA draft. Of those, Paul
George, John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins and Derrick Favors are making the amount of
money similar to Hayward. All have accumulated more Win Shares since draft day.
Paul George 28.2Greg Monroe 25.4John Wall 18.2DeMarcus Cousins 17.6Derrick Favors 15.4Gordon Hayward 15.1Aminu 8.2Evan Turner 8.2
I suggest the Jazz play him, let him get some good stats and then trade him for
a journeyman small forward and some really good draft picks next year.I still don't understand why they let Millsap go. They say they need a
stretch 4 and Millsap had developed into that. They let him go with nothing in
Can we say Adam Morrison all over again!!! Let Charlotte have him. Go get Deng
and Evan Turner. Hayward will never be the go-to guy. He is a role player.
There is only a small handful of players in the NBA that their team management
should be willing to match any offer for. These are the elite, all-star type
players. The ones who can carry a franchise and take them to new heights. Unfortunately, Hayward doesn't fit that description. He is a good
player, no doubt. But certainly not an elite, top-tier player. His shooting
percentage has dropped each and every year he's been with the Jazz.
That's not a good omen or anything to get excited about.Good
management of any growing company will always assess each situation and do the
prudent thing. It would definitely not be prudent to match this way-overpaid
offer Hayward currently has. Michael Jordan has a history or making bad team
decisions. The vast majority of fans on these comment boards are in
agreement with this opinion and think we should NOT match. There is always the
possibility he might turn his career around and end up an all-start. But based
on what he's shown so far, that isn't likely. Get the best
bang for the buck, Dennis. Not this.
Jazz will match this offer and in three years, it will look like a bargain
compared to what other free agents are getting. It is about time that the Jazz
sent a message to other team owners that this is not a farm team for others to
harvest, whenever they want a particular player. I will be glad to see Hayward
back, with new team-mates, a new coach, and one more year's experience.
What is his value? It is whatever somebody else is willing to pay him. It is
Okay so we could get Evan Turner and Al-Farouq Aminu for less than Hayward and
still have plenty of cap space for guys like Trevor Ariza, Greg Monroe, Nick
Young and our own free agents. That would make a heck of a team.
Michael Jordan appears to still be calling the shots for the Charlotte Hornets
on personnel decisions. I think it is a worldwide consensus that Jordan has
shown he has terrible judgment in making personnel decisions. Do the Jazz
really want Michael Jordan to be dictating how much they should be paying Gordon
Hayward for the next four years and under what conditions?If the
Jazz match Hayward's offer, it's almost the same as if they hired
Michael Jordan to be their GM on that particular decision. Heaven forbid!!
Hey, the Jazz just drafted Rodney Hood at small forward.I think this
is a great opportunity for Rodney Hood to join the young cadre as the starting
small forward. Let Gordon go. Don't over-pay/over-commit.
For less money, the Jazz could sign Marvin Williams and Evan Turner--who along
with Rodney Hood should be able to replace the production of Gordon Hayward(on
more tradeable deals). Why would you want to match someone who has shown he is
not a team player by the RFA deal he has signed. If Hayward really wanted to be
a part of the Jazz future, he would have allowed the Jazz to sign him for a deal
with the same money, but without the "poison pill" elements (trade
kicker and the fourth year player option).Perhaps the Jazz think he
can become a star. If so, I guess it may be worth it to match. However, I am
reticent to trust the Jazz judgment on that issue, because they have already
thoroughly botched the re-signing of Gordon Hayward. It's their job to
forecast what kind of offer Hayward may receive in RFA, based on who else will
be on the market, and how many teams will have cap space--which they obviously
miscalculated. Based on track record, why would I trust their judgment on
whether Hayward will become a star.
Millsap and Jefferson getting paid ?
What's the status of Jeremy Evans ?
Go get Deng.
Unless they can get great players in return which is doubtful, they have to
match this contract. They cannot field a $30MM roster, the league would not
What does that guy say on Shark tank? "Stop the insanity!!". I like Gordon and think he is really an above average player but I think I
would think twice on this. We are really talking insane money. How about we pick
up a cheaper young free agent, a few more expiring contracts for assets again,
play the young guys and get ready to rock and roll in 2015 or 2016. I would like
one more dip in the lottery pot. Jazz championship elimination fever
I like Gordon however, he is not worth this money. And soon all Jazz fans will
talk about how he is another AK. Mistake!
The 15% trade option and the 4th year player option, plus the max contract, is
something the Jazz management should look at very carefully. You can make a
trade if a player isn't helping your team like you thought he would. But
with this 15%, it makes it more costly. And the 4th year player option is good
for the player but not particularly for the team, if they want to get rid of him
after 3 years. He can just opt in, if he doesn't get something better, for
example, Raja Bell. I do not think I would match this bad contract. Hopefully,
the Jazz will examine it very carefully and weigh all of the options.
Don't do it.
Looks like Parsons is out of the running - he just accepted an offer sheet.
This is one of the reasons I stopped spending much time on basketball, and
sports in general. Things are so out of whack when a Hayward gets a max deal.
Very good player, but the vast majority of athletes are grossly overpaid. I
came to realize that rooting for people I don't know, and never will, do
something so silly as put a ball through a hoop, or in a cup, or through a set
of goal posts, is just a complete waste of time.