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Published: Thursday, July 10 2014 2:29 p.m. MDT

Updated: Thursday, July 10 2014 2:29 p.m. MDT

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Republicans can only win national elections when they can prevent Democrats from voting.

ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

It is fundamentally unAmerican to place these burdens upon the right of the people to vote. Those politicians who in the name of vote integrity find ways to suppress voter turnout ought to be declared enemies of democracy. That is what they are . We have very little voter fraud in the country. The fraud is not that someone might vote who is not a citizen. The fraud emanates from those who would place substantial burdens on unwanted voters.

Follow the politics and the agenda of those who vote to, and propose a suppression, of voters. That is the enemy of our country and the concept of democracy.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Great column by Mary Barker!

Things have unquestionably gotten better, even in the South, but to expect things to be completely healed is naïve. My wife is African American, from the South, and we'll be travelling back to see her mother and siblings later this month.

I've met some older African Americans who still deeply distrust the government, who keenly remember the Tuskeegee Experiements, who sense the gains of equality may just be a veneer that hides much more powerful and currently quiet racism.

I've met Americans who witnessed members of their own community lynched. Yes, these folks are very wary of not just getting government ID, but of showing it to anyone outside their immediate social circle.

If Republicans genuinely believe voting fraud is rampant, they should support a national Voter ID system, like Mexico has done in their efforts to increase voter turnout. If we can shell out $4 Billion to better secure the south border in an emergency situation, we can afford a national voter ID program.

The invective shown by Republicans reinforces old fears.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

Oh please Mary, take it back to Berkely. There is no voter suppression in asking for the same thing that every cash checking store, car dealer, clinic, library, airport, school, job, bank, police officer, loan officer, car rental agency, furniture rental company, welfare officer, ect. ect. ect. ask for. To ask that a person prove citizenship and eligibility, by proper ID, before using the most important and only means of changing the country is the most patriotic and common sense thing any reasonable citizen can expect. Many elections, even Presidential, have come down to a few votes. Even ONE illegal vote is way too many to allow. Not asking for ID to vote will result in the same thing that Obama has caused by implying that if you get to America you can stay. Look at the results. A mess.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

So Was the last 2 Presidents elected? or NOT

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

And a big PS. The only real incident of voter suppression that has happened recently was the Black Panthers standing near polls in Philadelphia to intimidate voters. I notice the Justice Department and Eric Holder did not give a darn about that. Yet they make up a false argument that an American citizen should not be asked to show ID for voting, when everything else in America requires one. Obviously the only reason Democrats don't want people to show ID is because they are preparing to use illegals to throw elections. Otherwise they would not have any qualms about ID.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Excellent article, Mary. Its just too bad happy people who are here are too blind to see the truth.

KDave
Moab, UT

Hmm. No mention of the IRS.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

There may have been significant voter fraud in the 2012 election. The media reported that in two counties in Ohio, the total votes cast exceeded the number of eligible voters. In thirty-one counties in Ohio, voter "turnout" exceeded 90%, Obama won 100% of the vote in 21 districts in Cleveland. Obama received 99% of the vote in districts where GOP observers were removed.

I'm not claiming that fraud only happened on the Democrat side. What I'm claiming is that fraud occurred. For that kind of fraud to occur, there has to be people behind the scenes formulating fraud and instructing others on how to commit fraud. There has to be election officials who allow ineligible voters to vote. It's not just the voter who committed fraud; it's all the people who were involved and candidates who did not demand investigation when their victory was suspect. You can draw your own conclusions, but until things are totally cleaned up, no one can ever be sure who really wins an election.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

A recent news article spoke of an immigrant (did not say if she was legal or not, but since she could not legally vote, I have to assume she was illegal) who used a motor voter initiative to register to vote while she got her driver’s license. She then illegally voted. The purges of voter rolls and voter ID laws are necessary to prevent such incidents of voting fraud.

You need ID to buy some types of over-the-counter cough medicines; requiring ID to vote is NOT overly burdensome. Driver’s licenses don’t cost any money; to say requiring state ID is burdensome is a blatant lie

And nowhere does Mary mention the overt racism of the black panthers and similar groups – not that the existence of those thugs excuses the actions of white racist thugs, but we should not forget that they exist.

Roland,
Dems win national elections by:
•lying about the GOP
•registering illegal aliens to vote
•voting early and often
•intimidating white voters in Philly and other similar places

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

Barker: "In striking down part of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, requiring districts with a history of racial discrimination to seek preclearance before changing election rules, Chief Justice John Roberts said, 'our country has changed.'"

I actually agree with Justice Roberts. Things have changed, but not entirely for the better. As Barker noted, voting rights violations have moved north. I would agree with the SCOTUS ruling striking down federal oversight of voting in the old Confederacy, but only to the extent that northern states are also engaged in voter suppression and also need oversight. Congressional revision of the CRA should extend federal voting oversight to the entire country, not just the South.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

To lost in D.C.:
"Roland,
Dems win national elections by:
•lying about the GOP
•registering illegal aliens to vote
•voting early and often
•intimidating white voters in Philly and other similar places"

I've seen no evidence to support your claims. Please provide some. There are fewer than a dozen documented cases of in-person voter fraud in each of the past few national elections.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

The Republicans are clearly desperate to suppress the votes of Democratic voters. They even carelessly admit it (as in Pennsylvania). Absolutely no one is fooled by the Republicans' righteous push to control nonexistent voter fraud--themselves least of all.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Hearing republicans complain about "voting fraud" is funny considering questionable voting methods and a few interesting phone calls from 41 and his son who was the governor of Florida gave W the White House.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

happy2bhere:

Those "Black Panthers" were nothing but one guy in a beret standing around outside a polling place. The only reason anybody knew he was there was because Fox News chose to freak out about it.

What strikes me about this whole argument how spoiled and self-entitled conservatism has become in this country. Why bother trying to convince Americans of the validity of your message when you can just live in your own echo chamber and make excuses for losing elections instead?

micawber
Centerville, UT

@Mike Richards,

I don't know what "media" reports you are referring to, but Snopes debunks some of the allegations contained in your post. You say in two counties in Ohio, the turnout exceeded the number of eligible voters. Snopes says this is false. The official Voter Turnout statistics for Ohio show Wood County recorded a total turnout of 64,342 voters in a county with 108,014 registered voters. That's about 60% voter turnout. I went to that official site to verify how many Ohio counties exceeded 90%. None of them did.

You say "Obama won 100% of the vote in 21 districts in Cleveland (According to Snopes, the reported claim was Wood County, not Cuyahoga County). Obama received 99% of the vote in districts where GOP observers were removed." Snopes looked at the precinct-by-precinct breakdown of the official voting results from Wood County. It determined that President Obama received nowhere close to 100% of the votes cast in any of that county's 97 precincts. The highest percentage he achieved in any one precinct was 75.5%

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihuahua, 00

Now it's bringing people her illegally and having them vote in exchange for citizenship and welfare. That's all they advertise in Mexico on the TV here is going to the United States and getting free welfare. Nothing at all is said about better opprotunities because there are none.

micawber
Centerville, UT

@Mike Richards,
(continued)

Also, according to the Edward McClelland, in 16 counties here in Utah, Mitt Romney's percentage of the vote exceeded the 84 percent President Obama received in his hometown of Chicago. Some small voting precincts here showed no votes for President Obama. I think this accurately reflects political beliefs in Utah and is not evidence of voter fraud. And I don't think the people of Ohio are less committed to voter integrity than we are.

jsf
Centerville, UT

To sign up for insurance on the health exchange, my son was required to show evidence of who he was, drivers license. Are all these posters telling us how the requirement will suppress democrat voters, telling us they support democrat voters not being allowed to purchase of obtain health insurance through the exchanges. Was that not the purpose of the ACA. I love how we hear how the Repubs must hate blacks and minorities, but forget the Repubs were the party of the blacks in the south. The party continually attacked by the Democrat infused KKK. The racists of today and yesterday are no more a par of the repubs today than the KKK is part of Democrats today.

Saying they are, is just lying to the masses of illiterate voters to get their votes.

chilly
Salt Lake City, UT

Mary Barker's article is an unsubtle attempt at beginning to inspire minority voters for the upcoming 2014 and 2016 elections. We'll see hundreds more just like this one, from liberal journalists, attempting to scare voters to the polls. With so many Democrats dispirited (and less likely to even bother to vote) by the pathetic performance of Barack Obama, this will be the strategy to "fire up the base". It's much easier to point fingers at "Republican meanies" than find any accomplishments or substance to get out the vote.

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