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83% of Utahns say Congress needs to act now on immigration reform

Polls provide 'political cover' for lawmakers to act, proponents say

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  • DougB Spanish Fork, UT
    July 14, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    Wow, such misinformed hate in the comments here! What on earth gives you the right to believe that you are *entitled* to live here because your ancestors emigrated here first? My ancestors on both sides came here nearly four hundred years ago. They came because of economic need, religious desire, adventure, or other reasons. Many of them, frankly, treated the current residents of this land despicably, and much, much worse than the majority of current US immigrants. Nevertheless, they waited in no lines and paid no exorbitant fees. They didn't destroy the economy; they created new ones.

    Immigrants create new economic strength and bring motivation and innovation with them. They are wa primary driver of America's previous success. Our new immigration laws did not originate with the founders who allowed relatively unfettered immigration until about 100 years had passed and racist anti-Chinese immigration laws started in California. Those spread to Italians, Irish, etc. until now we use our terribly un-American and hateful, contradictory immigration system to beat up on Mexicans, Guatemalans and others trying to avail themselves of the same opportunities our own ancestors did.

    I pray this selfish mentality can be changed.

  • sg newhall, CA
    July 13, 2014 11:08 a.m.

    Our immigration system isn't broken, the laws are not being enforced and won't be as long as we have obama occupying the White House and Eric Holder refusing to uphold the laws. This administration and people like Holder have always had this plan to swamp America with illegals (no, they are NOT undocumented immigrants), they are illegals, and as such both obama and holder should be held accountable and removed from office. Holder is perhaps the most corrupt attorney general in our history. Like obama, he picks and chooses which laws to enforce. That being the case, perhaps it is time for the citizens in America to do likewise, pick and choose which laws to follow. Apparently, it is working very well for many businesses, corporate America, even churches, who hire or harbor illegals using the excuse "it is the humanitarian thing to do." No. The right thing is to deny and deport. Deny every illegal of every entitlement afforded to us. Seal the borders. Place the national guard or army along our border. Confiscate every item etc. accumulated by illegals. Don't give them anything, and no anchor babies.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 11, 2014 12:19 p.m.

    A phone poll of the Utah Chamber of Commerce reveals...

  • Klarson Sandy, UT
    July 11, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    This article and headline are misleading because "Immigration Reform" means different things to different people and groups. The Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce and LDS Church think it means amnesty and open borders. Most Utahns and most Americans however want immigration reform in the form of controlled borders, enforcement of laws, and more efficient deportation.

    Americans are fed up with the influx of illegal immigrants. The public as a whole pays the price for the flood of illegal immigrants, and further weakening the laws and encouraging even more immigration would simply harm the entire country so as to benefit those portions of the business community that want access to cheap foreign labor.

    I am in favor of "immigration reform," but to me that means securing our borders, deporting the people who are here illegally, and raising the standards on who is allowed to immigrate legally.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    July 10, 2014 8:45 p.m.

    I am in favor of some kind of reform. I also wonder if workers who would be on farms would continue to be if they had welfare and all the perks. Why can't we insist those on welfare or unemployment who are capable of working should work as there are plenty of jobs. What they would earn working could be added to their welfare payment or at least a portion.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    July 10, 2014 7:52 p.m.

    @carmen. Amen. Your comments were more succinctly worded than mine that got refused to be printed. Thank you! I agree 100%.

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    July 10, 2014 6:34 p.m.

    RPH wanted to know of any law not being enforced.

    How about Section 8 of the US Federal Immigration and Nationality Act 1324 Section a, Subsection 1 paragraph A makes it a felony to employ or continue to employ an illegal alien punishable by a fine of $10k and or five years in prison for each alien employed.

    When was the last time you heard of any CEO being sent to prison for violating that law?

    It wouldn't take much law enforcement for the Salt Lake Chamber to get the message.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    July 10, 2014 5:24 p.m.

    This is a great example of how push-polling works. You poll a group using guiding questions, steering the respondents towards desired results.

    And obviously those conducting the poll along with the media all want the same results...amnesty and a revision of existing law.

    Why not have the courage to ask Utahns the following simple questions:

    - Are you in favor of granting amnesty to all people here in this country illegally currently?

    - Do you want our borders controlled to prevent and/or deter illegal entrance into our country?

    - Do you believe our current immigration laws are enforced?

    - Do you want our current immigration laws enforced?

    - Do you want immigration laws modified to allow more people to enter our country?

    - Should businesses be penalized for employing illegal immigrants?

    The results would be more interesting than what's presented in this article.

  • Upson Downs Sandy, UT
    July 10, 2014 4:28 p.m.

    The polling for this article was actually commissioned by those people wanting only outright amnesty for illegals. And the only Utahns who where asked for their comments were Mexicans and other Central Americans who are here illegally. But the deseret news will not tell it's readers that truth.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    July 10, 2014 4:14 p.m.

    @carman
    "Enforce current laws and secure our borders."

    No one seems to know what securing the border means. One would thing it would mean meeting illegals at the border and turning them back. But, in fact, what the border patrol is doing is accepting illegals with open arms, checking them in, feeding them, then putting them on buses to parents or close relatives in the US... who likely are illegal.

    Further, 62% of the 10 to 20 million illegals are here on visas but don't go home when the visas expire.

    "Ship any and all who enter the country illegally back to their country of origin, and take the costs out of the foreign aid that we provide to their country."

    The government is shipping them back... about ten percent of them. And it takes about 5 to 6 years to run them through immigration courts.

    I like your idea about foreign aid. But I'd cancel all foreign aid to originating countries.

    "Grant citizenship to newborns ONLY if their mother is a U.S. citizen."

    I'd deny citizenship to all illegals... even if they went home and did it right.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 10, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    rph
    Deportations by Obama are counted as stopped at the border and returned. As for his deporter in chief label, that has likely been framed by LA RAZA to take the heat off of the President and keep the low information voter really believing that Obama has secured the border and we can now proceed with immigration reform or as it really will be, legalization and voting rights for 11 million illegals here now. You and I both know that is the ultimate goal of the Democrat Party.

    And another thing I hope you tell the DHS people you work with that the drug cartels are using these children to distract the border security while they move tons of drugs into the country while our people play babysitter. Or didn't you and Obama realize that? Wouldn't surprise me if you didn't. Or maybe you just don't care. Wouldn't surprise me either.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 10, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    people are barking up the wrong tree - the GOP would gladly reform immigration laws which would FIRST secure the border and second provide a viable pathway to citizenship but there is one BIG problem....BARACK OBAMA. It seems that Barack wants compelte amnesty and only lip service to come sort of secure border. The bottom line - the road block to GOOD policy is Barack. Period!!

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 10, 2014 12:17 p.m.

    Suprising to see Utahns overwhelming supporting our President and the Democrats on this issue. Why they keep sending obstructionists and idealogues back to represent them in Congress is beyond me.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    July 10, 2014 11:29 a.m.

    I would love to see Congress exercise their constitutional right to send the military down to the border. Give them guns and orders to shoot at anybody who shoots at them, and prevent anybody from crossing the border illegally. If we do take them into custody, they should be rendered unconscious and have a microchip put in them that identifies where and when they were caught crossing the border. If they try to cross again, we collect biometric data on them and send them deeper into central America until it is no longer possible for them to afford to come back.

    Then, Congress needs to figure out how to process the immigration requests faster. A 10 year wait is too long. Reducing it to 6 months would be ideal.

    Funding would not be a problem for a while because currently each illegal immigrant family costs the US over $2000 per year in services. This will also cut down on military training costs as they are actively performing their duties.

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    July 10, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    What most Americans favor is catching them and sending them home, not granting legal status to law breakers.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 10, 2014 10:10 a.m.

    Re: "Eighty-three percent of Utahns say it is important that Congress act on immigration reform this year . . . ."

    Even assuming the technical truth of such a poll, that is not to say that 83%, or even 3% of Utahns favor the Senate's amnesty-based legislation.

    The most popular "immigration reform," favored by a majority approaching 100% of Americans, is to regain control of America's borders areas, which Obama's cynical, vote-buying, open-borders policy has surrendered to the drug cartels.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    July 10, 2014 9:45 a.m.

    "The vast majority of Americans — and an even higher percentage of Utahans — say the nation’s immigration system is broken..."

    Notice that no one seems to know what's broken. We know for sure that enforcement is broken. Thanks to Barack Hussein Obama hundreds of thousands of illegals are freely crossing our southern border and are free to wonder anywhere they please in the US. And now he wants $3.7 billion to spend on the illegals as they freely wonder around America... which calculates to about $61,000 per illegal. Good heavens! What's wrong with this guy?

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    July 10, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    The only "reforms" needed are:

    1) Secure the border. Mr. Obama, Build Up That Wall!!
    2) Mandatory E-Verify for all workers.
    3) Large fines for Employers who hire illegals - $10K per illegal.
    4) Streamline the deportation process.
    5) A President with a backbone.
    6) A Congress with a spine.
    7) Enforce the immigration laws currently on the books.
    8) THEN, and ONLY THEN Create a guest worker program.

    How hard is it? Really not that hard.

    The $3.7B Obama is asking for should be used for #1.

  • Aggie5 Kuna, ID
    July 10, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    has anyone ever heard of the law of consecration? well, this is an example of what we need to humble ourselves to. the people coming across the border for the most part, are decent people. and yes, I'm a hard core conservative. BUT. to adhere to the lord and the coming days, most conservatives need to learn to become more loving, and less money, money, money!

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    July 10, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    @one vote. Where is the Senate bill? Answer in the no Amnesty file. Right where it should be.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 10, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    The amnesty the open border crowd wants is NOT the proper fix.

    rph,
    a recent article in the DN told how immigration officials were releasing illegals caught at the border who had small children because detention centers were full, asking them to appear at immigration court later. Of course, they never do. The government is NOT applying the penalties for unlawful entry, etc. Where do you get off saying the BO misadministration is enforcing laws when he is essentially letting them come in free? you need more news sources than MSNBC and huffington post. Please educate yourself before repeating, and thereby perpetuating, leftist fallacies.

    onevote
    where are the bills on ANYTHING the house passed? When will harry allow a vote on ANYTHING? He won’t even allow gun control votes now.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    July 10, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    Secure the border, secure the border, secure the border, secure the border, enforce existing law. Send these kids back to Guatemala and Honduras. I'm sure that the government could get their hands on a few 747's to help with the effort. Penalize Mexico for even letting them through to our border. Put the U.S. Military on our border. After all, this is a national security issue and the military is tasked to defend the U.S.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    It is easier to say no and obstruct that work on the problem. Where is the bill the Senate passed?

  • rph Arlington, VA
    July 10, 2014 7:45 a.m.

    @SCFan, I don't live in Arlington any more, but it's funny you mention tax funding, because it would take a lot more of it to do what a lost of these commentators are asking for. I think many fail to recognize how more our federal government would have to spend to deport all of the illegal immigrants in our country. I do listen to people who work on the border; I work with DHS on a regular basis and have worked in immigration law for a few years. Are you aware that deportations in the Obama administration increased? Are you aware that the Latino community in the States calls him the deporter in chief? Seriously though, you mean to tell me that all of DHS-CBP and DHS-ICE are just sitting on their hands?

    @Uncle Fester: The government IS applying the penalties for unlawful entry, deporting people and generally securing the borders against continued abuse. We could obviously doing more, and there are ways that we cannot legally do more, but I wish we could, but to say this is not happening is simply not true.

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    July 10, 2014 7:22 a.m.

    rph, while I appreciate what you are attempting to suggest, what people mean by "enforce the law" is to apply the penalties for unlawfully entering the country, deport people who do not belong here and generally act to secure the borders against continued abuse by non-citizens. Also, as a citizen I note that I don't want to support the costs of health care for non-citizens who are here illegally. The law and enforcement provisions are found in U.S.C. and the C.F.R. Surely you don't suggest that illegally entering the country is not something a sovereign nation has a right to prevent. Prevention and expulsion is what is meant by "enforce the law."

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 10, 2014 7:12 a.m.

    rph
    Why don't you educate yourself by listening to the people who work on the border and what they say. They will tell you that the Obama administration has tied their hands to turn back these illegals. Remember when during Bush, ICE went after illegals who were working in the country. Bush told them to stop. When the minutemen went down to light up the border, Bush called them vigilanties. Don't even go there with trying to imply that both Bush and Obama have not been open border guys and ignored the written law. That's why we have this problem. No real obeying of the law by the previous administrations. You'd better do like Obama should have done and get out of that tax payer funded bubble you live in in Arlington and see what's happening in the real world.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2014 7:01 a.m.

    It doesn't surprise me that such a high percentage say they want 'immigration reform' especially when one considers the recent invasion of illegals that keep coming across our southern border. Most people who are paying attention to what is happening realize that something has to be done.

    All the talk about liberalizing our immigration laws and giving a pathway to citizenship, along with a president that has relaxed existing laws, is very likely the cause of the southern border invasion. These things open the door to the 'milk and honey' temptations that people of the third worlds see.

    The sad thing is that so many of our citizen, church and business leaders have supported this travesty.

    Is it any wonder that such a high percentage of those polled say that we need reform?

    One only needs to read the comments on this article to get a truer poll.

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    July 10, 2014 6:41 a.m.

    No nation can long survive without enforcing its laws and borders. Illegal immigration threatens the health, economy and sovereignty of our Nation. Illegal immigration is an affront to legal immigration. In Colorado an investigation by the Secretary of State's office was found that thousands of illegal immigrants attempted to vote and some of them succeeded. Our jails are full of illegals so much so that courts now need to address at trial the immigration consequences of any plea and failure to do so may result in reversal. Really? From the perspective of the average citizen this should not even be an issue. You commit a crime while a guest here, you are sent home, period. They should all be sent home anyway.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    July 10, 2014 6:16 a.m.

    Reform? How about just enforcing the law and send a message that if you are caught here out of status you are immediately and without any phony hearings deported. These illegals have some form of a carrot dangling and always know that weak kneed politicians will give them a pass. These polls are phony just ask do you favor amnesty in any form and the result will be different.

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    July 10, 2014 6:04 a.m.

    They didn't poll me. My response would be that we won't know if we need to change the law until we actually enforce the existing law. Currently its like the pirate code, more of a suggestion.

  • rph Arlington, VA
    July 9, 2014 11:11 p.m.

    The commentary of on this article reveals that a very small percentage of readers actually understand U.S. immigration law and its procedures, and what the president can and cannot do. I am astonished that so many think that President Obama is not enforcing U.S. immigration laws. What, I must ask, exactly do the people who say this think the federal employees working for the Department of Homeland Security's CBP, ICE, and other organizations do with their time, since they're apparently not enforcing federal law? Can the astute readers point out exactly what laws are not being enforced? Do these commentators have evidence or proof that the Obama administration has stopped deporting illegal immigrants, other than the bluster of political talking heads? Since when does the Affordable Health Care act grant free healthcare to illegal aliens? Did you know that many illegal aliens have been receiving free health care for decades because they cannot pay and that cost is passed onto the tax payer?

    Very few of you know little, if anything, about U.S. immigration law beyond the inaccurate rhetoric of the Right. Please educate yourselves before repeating, and thereby perpetuating, popular falicies.

  • Brian Utley Freedom, IN
    July 9, 2014 11:03 p.m.

    A great strategy on the part of those within our government who are charged with executing our laws: Don't enforce the existing law...so that folks will think there are no laws or that the laws don't work. Then moan and groan because the legislative law makers don't change the laws to something the executors would rather enforce. It's called "tantrum" politics. We've seen it before. We'll no doubt see it again. I just wish we weren't seeing it this time...for the sake of all these misplaced, mistaken immigrants.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    July 9, 2014 10:52 p.m.

    Here is immigration reform:

    1) Enforce current laws and secure our borders.
    2) Ship any and all who enter the country illegally back to their country of origin, and take the costs out of the foreign aid that we provide to their country.
    3) Create a work visa that brings those who LEGALLY come here can use to work in this country. Base the number of visa's issued on the number of workers needed and justified by an independent panel, and institute a lottery system by class of workers needed to determine who is given the visas. Limit to 3-5 years, and allow them to re-enter the lottery when their visa expires.
    4) Tax the employer and employee of those with work visas to cover the full cost of their being here, including emergency medical, processing costs, and their fair share of the cost of maintaining police, fire, etc.
    5) Citizenship should remain difficult to obtain. Allow for moderately more liberal "resident" status, but this would not include the right to vote.
    6) Grant citizenship to newborns ONLY if their mother is a U.S. citizen. Otherwise the child could obtain only the status of the mother.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 9, 2014 10:34 p.m.

    Changing our laws will not fix the problem.

    The problem is that our laws are not being enforced now, and we can be certain the Obama administration will not enforce the new laws either.

    There certainly are changes needed, but not the ones the amnesty advocates and liberal Democrats seek.

    We need to repeal the "anchor baby" provisions. Repeal the multiple appeal process prior to deportation. Enhance the penalties for hiring illegals. Allow instant deportation for any illegal alien found within 25 miles of the border without any "due process" rights. Deny federal funding to any city that is a "sanctuary city" that refuses to enforce immigration laws. Prohibit any "refundable tax credits" to anyone not a U.S. citizen. End "chain migration" to unite families.

    And, we need to enforce border security by whatever means necessary to stop people crossing into the United States illegally.

    Legal immigrants are welcome, but illegal are not.

    Rigged polls to produce the desired results to create news stories are not journalism, but propaganda.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2014 9:38 p.m.

    There is an old saying that charity begins at home. We have a lot of unemployed and underemployed citizens who need the work being given to illegal aliens. Those who favor de facto open borders should sponsor one of these illegal aliens and assist them on the road to citizenship.

    I auggest the people without proper entry documents be denied entry and let Mexico care for them. Mexico is not a poor country overall, but it lets these people cross their southern frontier and are therefore responsible and should be held accountable.

    Folks, we can't cure the whole world, we need to focus on our citizens and their legitimate needs first.

    These people will be a drain on us for at least one to three generations. Public health-wise this is a disaster waiting to happen as many have been exposed to serious communicable diseases and need screening to prevent outbreaks.

    It's a tough world out there. If you want to ameliorate the poor conditions, organize a plan or join a program and pony up some of your money to support the cause.

    Just because someone knocks at your door you do not have to open it.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    July 9, 2014 9:25 p.m.

    Why? What changed? What is it that makes it so imperative that we 'act now' on immigration? And by the way, what does 'act now' entail? My idea of acting now means putting an absolute stop to anyone hopping the boarder. There is a good reason for a national border. Until someone has a specific plan for stopping the flow, I don't want any talk of amnesty.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2014 9:07 p.m.

    Who cares about congress.....why is Obama given a pass?

    Obama creates this mess.....make him own it!

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    July 9, 2014 8:37 p.m.

    Saying 91 percent want a change is not saying that 91 percent want to allow illegal immigrants to stay. My guess is 1/2 or more want stricter immigration laws or enforcement of the laws we have. The immigration system is broken because the President and the president before him have refused to enforce the law.

  • MormÓn de SunDevil Nation Mesa, AZ
    July 9, 2014 8:26 p.m.

    Don't over think it.... The Administration is playing from a script.... This is the "chaos" phase

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    July 9, 2014 7:29 p.m.

    This is simple. Charge every undocumented immigrant $3,000 to $5,000 each, secure the border, and get rid of Obama care, thus dis incentivizing coming here for free health care, and problem is solved. Oh, I forget, this is congress and the President we are talking about!

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 9, 2014 7:30 p.m.

    Fortunately, most of America has figured out the little charade the amnesty advocates have tried to dump on the American public.

    These guys want cheap labor and they want it fast.

    They couldn't care less how they get it.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    July 9, 2014 6:38 p.m.

    I will agree that there is potentially a need to reform our current Immigration Laws.
    1. We need to make it possible to deport these people as soon as they are identified as being here without any legal paperwork granting them permission to be here.
    2. We also need to increase the fine for hiring them to $10,000 per person

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 9, 2014 6:33 p.m.

    A TIPP poll, says 59 percent of voters who are closely following the border surge agree that "current administration policies and lack of focus on securing the border" are behind the crisis. One-third of political independents and Hispanics “strongly” blame the president. Six in 10 respondents say that unaccompanied alien children should be ordered to leave the country.

    A new ËCNN/ORC International survey found that 62% of Americans say border security should be the main focus of U.S. immigration policy, while only 36% say a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens should be the top priority.

    A new CNN Poll found that 61% of Americans disapprove of the administration's handling of illegal immigration.

    Gallop poll finds 65% disapprove of the way Obama is handling immigration. 75% also want legal immigration numbers to stay the same, or be decreased.

    Earlier this week, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto and Guatemalan president Otto Perez Molina held a joint press conference to formally announce a new program that will allow Guatemalan citizens to legally travel through Mexico in their effort to enter the United States illegally.

    The worst thing we could do is pass reform with a President that refuses to enforce our laws.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2014 6:19 p.m.

    Read the article VERY carefully. You'll discover very easily who is behind this latest "push polling".

    Its' not the first time lobbyists for cheap labor have used push polling - and it probably won't be the last.

    Suggestion: do your own "polling" go to virtually any website that allows citizens to comment on illegal alien trespassers. Count the number who don't accept the idea of illegal trespassers - then (if you can find any) count the ones who do.

    Why can't ALL the lobbyists for cheap labor just DROP IT; and pay their employees a decent wage?
    Stop lying.