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Published: Wednesday, July 9 2014 2:05 p.m. MDT

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truth in all its forms
henderson, NV

If at first you don't succeed. Try try again.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

Considering that article yesterday about the increase in webtraffic on this site from June 2014 vs June 2013, I wonder how much of that is just from stories this year about people repeatedly asking the same questions again and again after being told no. Between Kate Kelly and same-sex marriage, that's gotta be a lot of it.

Schwa
South Jordan, UT

This is all such a waste of money. I wish they would just get this all over with and allow marriage equality everywhere. It's the right thing to do, and it is inevitable. Let's get on with it.

Really???
Kearns, UT

After discussing this topic with different friends, I have discovered that fear is the number one reason people are opposed to marriage equality. It seems to me that the biggest percentage of friends who are against marriage equality admitted that they will have to face the fact that they in fact have bigoted attitudes and will be required to actually make an effort to extend true love towards their gay and lesbian neighbors and family members.

Another group are those of my friends who are still struggling with their own sexual identities. They fear that marriage equality will force them out of the closet and possibly lose the love and support of many friends and family members

There is, of course, a small group that honestly fear that marriage equality bring upon God's judgment, and we will eventually be destroyed like ancient civilizations. Personally, I believe God's judgment will be that we are one step closer to treating more of his children with love and dignity.

Change is difficult, but when we allow it to happen, beautiful things can happen.

AerilusMaximus
Berryville, VA

@ Schwa

Yes, let's get the re-definition of marriage over and done with.

When we are through with redefining marriage of two same sex people we can start with redefining marriage in all sorts of other ways as well.

Starry starry night
Palm Springs , CA

Oh the irony! If it is Utah's plea to the Supreme Court that finally causes the inevitable ruling declaring null and void all state bans on same sex marriage, than I can die happy. Knowing that the very people who tried to influence an election in California's prop 8 through old lies about gays and children and through tithing and massive organized donations will ultimately be the undoing of this national disgrace against our gay fellow Americans is almost too much to bear.
This will inevitably set off a religious campaign in which they claim that it's not "real marriage". But who cares? As long as our rights are no longer abridged by people who feel that they are superior and who want to thrust their religious beliefs onto others...Who cares what they think? As Mayor Newsom of San Francisco said a few years ago regarding gays marrying in California before prop 8 put and end to those marriages..."Whether you like it or not...."

Florwood
American Fork, UT

I hope the Supreme Court will take the case and give a nationwide ruling for marriage equality.

birdbath
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Seriously, what is the AG suppose to do? He doesn't have much of a choice. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would want to write the appeal but I'm sure someone out their has a mortgage that needs to be paid.

Tators
Logan, UT

@ Red Corvette...

Apparently you don't read national news much. This issue is an ongoing concern for a large number of states who are currently taking the same path as Utah and who still support traditional marriage in their individual state Constitutions.. This issue isn't going to live or die by the actions of any individual state, since there are significant differences in the basis of their appeals.

Since significant percentages of people in our country are still supporting each side of the issue, each side should give respect and credence to the other. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen often enough. Just reading the comments to each SSM article that comes out will verify as much. And regardless which side of the issue a person is on, nothing will be legally determined in any newspaper comment section. It's just a place for people to vent and show their maturity or lack thereof.

Instead of making a federal binding ruling, it's possible the Supreme Court will allow latitude for each state to make the determination for itself by considering it an individual state issue.
But regardless, hopefully animosity can and will be kept to a minimum.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

Nothing to lose except money.

After all, deficits don't matter.

Great forum for lawyers to build PR, for their firms.

Utah adds to its Republican resume.

Let's do this thing.

BTW,

If taxpayers don't pay for all or part of this Republican pet project...

why is there is always enough money for Republican pet projects?

Mike Johnson
Stafford, VA

I am looking forward to reading what Justice Kennedy writes on this subject as he is the justice that generally decides these issues.

AerilusMaximus
Berryville, VA

@ Really???

It is interesting how you use that word when targeting a group of people yourself especially LDS people.

I haven't heard the LDS Church condoning members to violence to LGBT people, threatening them, or encouraging others to do so either.

Why all the animosity?

SharpHooks
Sandy, UT

A lost cause---a losing battle.
The conservatives all screamed bloody murder when $4 mil was earmarked for pursuing the criminal activities of John Swallow. And there was all kinds of probable cause, glimpses of recorded evidence...that was no witch hunt.

Legal same sex marriage IS going to be the law of the land...this is indisputable.
(Just ask your man Hatch)
So how many millions are being wasted battling g a battle that can't be won?
I am as heterosexual as can be, but gay marriage affects me exactly ZERO.
It only bothers those who allow it to.
Get with the real world, Governor Herbert. I know it's hard, but please try.

birdbath
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@ Mike Johnson. I think Kennedy will uphold the 10th Circuit on fairly similar grounds. Considering the whole question turns on (at the very least) a rational basis test, I think this is kind of done deal. Faith is not rational - by definition. What are the AG's arguments going to be, that is my question? I can't think of any.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

This decision is as wise as the decision to invade Iraq: a horrible waste.

Really???
Kearns, UT

@AerilusMaximus

Please explain a little bit more. I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that have animosity towards anyone. I mentioned the different types of fear that my friends have expressed, and then I threw in my thoughts. There is no anger nor animosity here; just a willingness to try and understand how others feel about the issues while standing firm in my convictions.

Copacetic
Logan, UT

@ Really:

To say you are honestly trying to understand how others feel about the issue is a huge stretch. Your initial comment comes across as being very judgmental and even somewhat vindictive.

SharpHooks
Sandy, UT

@AerilusMaximus
You're not paying attention.
NO...'violence'-- in and of itself-- is not condoned by the church towards the LGBT, but what is the difference between violence, and denying another human being--BY LAW-- basic rights?
And since, for better or for worse, the Governor, AG, and much of our legislature IS LDS, this reflects on them more than the general population.
Our state government is not sensitive to the rights of ALL people--which is it's premier responsibility.
It's doing the most UN constitutional thing by trying to make law from religion, and that is completely unacceptable.
And our tax money is being sent to the sewer in their ill-conceived, losing battle.

Copacetic
Logan, UT

@ Ernest T. Bass:

Why is that you and other like-minded people always think it's a waste of time and money to pursue anything you don't agree with? As it so happens, there are still well over a hundred million people in this country who still disagree with SSM. Therefore, it's still an important issue that deserves to be pursued until an ultimate decision can be made. Therefore Utah is doing the right thing in trying to get to that point. That way, nothing can be left on the table. Is that really so hard to understand?

It shouldn't be. But then again, from reading the DN comment sections on this issue over the past year, it's become obvious that SSM advocates are often some of the most judgmental and intolerant people who often show no inclination toward even trying to understand any other viewpoints. In fact, they are sometimes extreme to the point of seeming militant... even trying to ruin the lives and careers of anyone who at anytime in the past supported anything opposing their viewpoints. Such attitudes can often be dangerous on multiple levels.

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

It is sad to see the animus SSM supporters have for those who disagree with them. I have no bad feelings toward same-sex couples. I have several co-workers and friends who are gay, and love them just as much as any of my friends.

I have little respect for a movement that resorts to half-truths and name-calling to shame others to their side. Many have joined the SSM camp because they don't want to be called "bigots", or have believe the media lies and one-sided reporting. I will never be one of them. I know that I am no bigot, and no activist on the other side of the country with a bully pulpit can tell me otherwise.

I only ask that my rights be respected the same as LGBT rights. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening....

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