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Published: Wednesday, July 9 2014 10:27 a.m. MDT

Updated: Wednesday, July 9 2014 10:27 a.m. MDT

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ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

Oh, puleeeeez. It is dogma of the Tea Party Republicans that any acceptance of any aspect of "Obamacare" is heresy.

These politicians know that a Tea Party candidate will clean their clocks to get a nomination as a Republican. They like their jobs more than they like a good deal.

As long as the Utah populace blindly votes for any Republican (and the DN propagates Tea Party claptrap) over a pragmatic Democrat and common sense government this kind of stalling will continue.

Pity the poor of the state. Political purity is more important to the Tea Party set than is good government and pragmatic solutions to real people's problems.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

why does the DN repeat liberal claptrap and say Utah will recover tax money we are already paying? it simply is not true. the federal government is running heavy deficits; we MIGHT get more money form the feds, but it is borrowed money, not money we have paid. And taking it will INCREASE our future liabilities. Also, the cost over time will substantially increase to the state; in the end it will end up costing us more than we might get from the feds. the idea we are losing money by not expanding is simply NOT true.

pity the poorly informed liberals who repeat such claptrap and want the unbsustainable expensive expansion. political purity is important to the liberals, so much so that they deliberately lie about things like a war on women or the poor just to win political points rather thna acutlly coming up with workable solutions to real people's problems.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Medicaid expansion is a trap.

The bait is a promise from the federal government to pay a lot of money at first, but then to pay less in the future. Even if the federal government were not $17.5 trillion in debt, we have (or should have) learned by now that they cannot be trusted to keep their word. Wise legislators know that and will take the flak for passing up "free money" and realize that in the long term we can better serve the needy by doing things our way, not in lock step with unfunded federal mandates.

However, getting the liberal media and self-serving politicians who buy votes with taxpayer funded handouts to admit the fallacy of their ways may be impossible.

Medicaid expansion is a bad idea. Medicaid is one of the biggest drivers of our debt and unsustainable, along with Medicare and Social Security. We cannot continue to spend money we do not have, regardless of how noble the goal, or deserving the beneficiaries, even ignoring the huge inefficiencies of government programs.

Don't take the bait in the Medicaid expansion trap!

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Sen. Allen Christensen's view is typical of Republicans. He says Utah's hospitals, doctors and dentists should treat poor people for free. I'm all in favor of that, but only if paying patients like me don't have to make up the difference. After all, my doctor has a yacht, a houseboat, and three vacation homes to maintain.

Ralph West Jordan
Taylorsville, UT

The Neo-Cons call the POTUS a king, worshiped by the un-informed liberals, yet in this thread alone I hear over and over the same talking points espoused by their worshiped prophets of doom, Hannity,Limbaugh and O'reily!

They talk of "free money". There is nothing free about it. It is money we as Utah taxpayers have payed and is available for our use. It is use it or lose it! They say "we can better serve the needy by doing things our way", easily said, just what is our way. oh I forgot, its table it, stall it, stonewall it, ignore it and politicize it!

They go on "not in lock step with unfunded federal mandates " What do you mean unfunded, are not the taxes we have paid "funds"?

Up until now it has been Politics over consience, Arrogance over compassion and self serving over decency. Unfortunately I see little hope of change!

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Actually, I can see DN Subscriber's point.

To be honest though, we should exercise the same level of restraint on other federal monies, like Hill AFB getting the exorbitantly expensive F-35 fighters.

We simply don't have the money for this right wing Keynesianism.

Paul Timothy Gibbs
Taylorsville, UT

It's great to see how many medical and other professionals in Utah support this. Accpeting the federal funding is morally and economically right, and it needs to be done as soon as possible.

Wonder
Provo, UT

@lost in DC -- The problem is that Tea Party Republicans DON"T ever come up with solutions to problems. They only knock down everyone else's proposals. Having your two "go to" positions as "do nothing" or "complain about what other people propose" is no way to govern. Tea Partiers do not know how to govern.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Ralph,
We are NOT getting back money we already paid – the funds are being BORROWED.

Whatever happened to JFK’s “ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country”? all the liberals can spew now as solutions to people’s problems is “spend, spend, spend – someone else’s money” sometimes the solutions are not about spending more money, but doing things differently.

10CC
you are correct, the military does not even WANT the F-35s, but too many in congress from BOTH sides want the money spent on them. But really, you are talking about a federal budegt issue whan the conversation is about a state budget issue. Please stay on topic.

Wonder,
too FUNNY! too bad you rely solely on MSNBC and the huffington post for your main sources of information. Look at reid and BO, and what a horrible job they are doing governing, then come talk to me about who can actually govern and who cannot. When presented with a TP solution, BO openly campaigns against it and reid won't allow a vote on it. stop with the humor, you're killing me!

mcclark
Salt Lake City, UT

Not taking the money will not save the federal government a dime. If we don't take it, they send it to someone else. This is just plain stupid.

Wonder
Provo, UT

@lost in DC -- Jokes on you. Unlike most Tea Partiers, I DO NOT only listen to the "news" I agree with. I don't think I have ever watched MSNBC (at least not on purpose -- perhaps if it was on in a waiting room or something.) Can't say that I'm a regular at Huffington Post either. Unlike people on the far right, I can form my own opinions without having to "ditto" a talking head.

humbug
Syracuse/Davis, UT

Outstanding op-ed. I agree with the views presented. It is the morally right thing to do. It is the economically right thing to do. Please! We need to expand Medicaid.

sally
Kearns, UT

Stalling? Governor Herbert has submitted a proposal to solve the issue of medical care. It is waiting approval. He is doing something to solve the issue in a wiser way than medicaid expansion. What have you proposed other than more theft by citizens from Medicaid expansion from the federal government?

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Sally:

Are you saying people who are unable to pay for healthcare are thieves?

If so, this is rampant in our society.

Maybe you should consider picketing the people who bring their sick kids to Primary Children's Hospital, because a lot of the time those folks have blown through their insurance coverage and they're relying on Primary writing off the bills, which makes everyone else have to pay more.

These people are leeches, they're thieves, as well.

ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

Everyone is entitled to emergency care.

Who pays for it? We all do in one way or another.

I prefer to see people covered, and a mandatory system of insurance or other coverage, that places everyone in the insurance game. And if someone is truly indigent, we ought to subsidize this insurance or coverage.

We are all still going to pay the bills after all. Unless we start advocating a "bleed in the street" policy that says that if you have no insurance, or can not self insure, then you just have to bleed in the street at the emergency room door when injured. Is that the Tea Party position now?

one old man
Ogden, UT

The sub-headline asks: "Can Utah’s legislature, in good conscience, continue to stall on this Medicaid? "

The answer is probably YES.

Because the legislature has proven time and again that they simply have no conscience.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

The health and very lives of thousands have been put at risk by Speaker Lockhart's actions. When some expire for lack of care we will hold Speaker Lockhart responsible.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

McClark,
Obligating ourselves to spend unlimited sums in the future is just plain stupid.

The things folks fabricate to support their positions!!

Wonder,
Are you saying you are a joke? Why do you keep referring to the TP? Only pure MSNBC and huffingtonpost devotees refer to those with whom they disagree as Tea Partiers. You may skim other publications, but all I see in your comments is ditto marks from the uber-left rags it appears you consume as your main course.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

@ lost in DC

"Obligating ourselves to spend unlimited sums in the future is just plain stupid."

Where is this mentality when repubs discuss Iraq?

Furthermore, there isn't an "unlimited sum" in health care spending for the future. There's a definite sum but something tells me that you don't even care to know. Repubs have decided that playing a political football game against Obama is more important than saving lives.

The deaths that have occurred and will occur in utah due to insufficient health care will be tallied on the heads of our political leaders. The Lord at the judgement day will ask us all to give an accounting of our works. I fear strongly for Lockhart and Herbert.

If the us government has not the power to provide health care for it's own citizens then it has no point in existing. Promote the general welfare is health care.

Wonder
Provo, UT

The Tea Party is now so unpopular that even Tea Party members won't refer to themselves as such. Now hopefully they will realize that it is their policies that are unpopular (not just their name) and pass this legislation, even though it may give Obama some sort of "win." (The real winners being the citizens of the State of Utah, but when has that ever mattered when you can stick a finger in Obama's eye.)

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