Published: Wednesday, July 9 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
Oh, puleeeeez. It is dogma of the Tea Party Republicans that any acceptance of
any aspect of "Obamacare" is heresy.These politicians know
that a Tea Party candidate will clean their clocks to get a nomination as a
Republican. They like their jobs more than they like a good deal. As long as the Utah populace blindly votes for any Republican (and the DN
propagates Tea Party claptrap) over a pragmatic Democrat and common sense
government this kind of stalling will continue. Pity the poor of the
state. Political purity is more important to the Tea Party set than is good
government and pragmatic solutions to real people's problems.
why does the DN repeat liberal claptrap and say Utah will recover tax money we
are already paying? it simply is not true. the federal government is running
heavy deficits; we MIGHT get more money form the feds, but it is borrowed money,
not money we have paid. And taking it will INCREASE our future liabilities.
Also, the cost over time will substantially increase to the state; in the end it
will end up costing us more than we might get from the feds. the idea we are
losing money by not expanding is simply NOT true.pity the poorly
informed liberals who repeat such claptrap and want the unbsustainable expensive
expansion. political purity is important to the liberals, so much so that they
deliberately lie about things like a war on women or the poor just to win
political points rather thna acutlly coming up with workable solutions to real
Medicaid expansion is a trap.The bait is a promise from the federal
government to pay a lot of money at first, but then to pay less in the future.
Even if the federal government were not $17.5 trillion in debt, we have (or
should have) learned by now that they cannot be trusted to keep their word.
Wise legislators know that and will take the flak for passing up "free
money" and realize that in the long term we can better serve the needy by
doing things our way, not in lock step with unfunded federal mandates.However, getting the liberal media and self-serving politicians who buy votes
with taxpayer funded handouts to admit the fallacy of their ways may be
impossible.Medicaid expansion is a bad idea. Medicaid is one of the
biggest drivers of our debt and unsustainable, along with Medicare and Social
Security. We cannot continue to spend money we do not have, regardless of how
noble the goal, or deserving the beneficiaries, even ignoring the huge
inefficiencies of government programs.Don't take the bait in
the Medicaid expansion trap!
Sen. Allen Christensen's view is typical of Republicans. He says
Utah's hospitals, doctors and dentists should treat poor people for free.
I'm all in favor of that, but only if paying patients like me don't
have to make up the difference. After all, my doctor has a yacht, a houseboat,
and three vacation homes to maintain.
The Neo-Cons call the POTUS a king, worshiped by the un-informed liberals, yet
in this thread alone I hear over and over the same talking points espoused by
their worshiped prophets of doom, Hannity,Limbaugh and O'reily! They talk of "free money". There is nothing free about it. It is
money we as Utah taxpayers have payed and is available for our use. It is use
it or lose it! They say "we can better serve the needy by doing things our
way", easily said, just what is our way. oh I forgot, its table it, stall
it, stonewall it, ignore it and politicize it! They go on
"not in lock step with unfunded federal mandates " What do you mean
unfunded, are not the taxes we have paid "funds"? Up until
now it has been Politics over consience, Arrogance over compassion and self
serving over decency. Unfortunately I see little hope of change!
Actually, I can see DN Subscriber's point.To be honest though,
we should exercise the same level of restraint on other federal monies, like
Hill AFB getting the exorbitantly expensive F-35 fighters.We simply
don't have the money for this right wing Keynesianism.
It's great to see how many medical and other professionals in Utah support
this. Accpeting the federal funding is morally and economically right, and it
needs to be done as soon as possible.
@lost in DC -- The problem is that Tea Party Republicans DON"T ever come up
with solutions to problems. They only knock down everyone else's
proposals. Having your two "go to" positions as "do nothing" or
"complain about what other people propose" is no way to govern. Tea
Partiers do not know how to govern.
Ralph,We are NOT getting back money we already paid – the funds are
being BORROWED.Whatever happened to JFK’s “ask not what
your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country”? all
the liberals can spew now as solutions to people’s problems is
“spend, spend, spend – someone else’s money” sometimes
the solutions are not about spending more money, but doing things
differently.10CCyou are correct, the military does not even
WANT the F-35s, but too many in congress from BOTH sides want the money spent on
them. But really, you are talking about a federal budegt issue whan the
conversation is about a state budget issue. Please stay on topic.Wonder,too FUNNY! too bad you rely solely on MSNBC and the huffington
post for your main sources of information. Look at reid and BO, and what a
horrible job they are doing governing, then come talk to me about who can
actually govern and who cannot. When presented with a TP solution, BO openly
campaigns against it and reid won't allow a vote on it. stop with the
humor, you're killing me!
Not taking the money will not save the federal government a dime. If we
don't take it, they send it to someone else. This is just plain stupid.
@lost in DC -- Jokes on you. Unlike most Tea Partiers, I DO NOT only listen to
the "news" I agree with. I don't think I have ever watched MSNBC
(at least not on purpose -- perhaps if it was on in a waiting room or
something.) Can't say that I'm a regular at Huffington Post either.
Unlike people on the far right, I can form my own opinions without having to
"ditto" a talking head.
Outstanding op-ed. I agree with the views presented. It is the morally right
thing to do. It is the economically right thing to do. Please! We need to
Stalling? Governor Herbert has submitted a proposal to solve the issue of
medical care. It is waiting approval. He is doing something to solve the issue
in a wiser way than medicaid expansion. What have you proposed other than more
theft by citizens from Medicaid expansion from the federal government?
Sally: Are you saying people who are unable to pay for healthcare
are thieves?If so, this is rampant in our society. Maybe you should consider picketing the people who bring their sick kids to
Primary Children's Hospital, because a lot of the time those folks have
blown through their insurance coverage and they're relying on Primary
writing off the bills, which makes everyone else have to pay more.These people are leeches, they're thieves, as well.
Everyone is entitled to emergency care.Who pays for it? We all do
in one way or another. I prefer to see people covered, and a
mandatory system of insurance or other coverage, that places everyone in the
insurance game. And if someone is truly indigent, we ought to subsidize this
insurance or coverage.We are all still going to pay the bills after
all. Unless we start advocating a "bleed in the street" policy that
says that if you have no insurance, or can not self insure, then you just have
to bleed in the street at the emergency room door when injured. Is that the Tea
Party position now?
The sub-headline asks: "Can Utah’s legislature, in good conscience,
continue to stall on this Medicaid? "The answer is probably
YES.Because the legislature has proven time and again that they
simply have no conscience.
The health and very lives of thousands have been put at risk by Speaker
Lockhart's actions. When some expire for lack of care we will hold Speaker
McClark,Obligating ourselves to spend unlimited sums in the future is just
plain stupid.The things folks fabricate to support their
positions!!Wonder,Are you saying you are a joke? Why do you
keep referring to the TP? Only pure MSNBC and huffingtonpost devotees refer to
those with whom they disagree as Tea Partiers. You may skim other publications,
but all I see in your comments is ditto marks from the uber-left rags it appears
you consume as your main course.
@ lost in DC"Obligating ourselves to spend unlimited sums in the
future is just plain stupid."Where is this mentality when repubs
discuss Iraq?Furthermore, there isn't an "unlimited
sum" in health care spending for the future. There's a definite sum but
something tells me that you don't even care to know. Repubs have decided
that playing a political football game against Obama is more important than
saving lives.The deaths that have occurred and will occur in utah
due to insufficient health care will be tallied on the heads of our political
leaders. The Lord at the judgement day will ask us all to give an accounting of
our works. I fear strongly for Lockhart and Herbert.If the us
government has not the power to provide health care for it's own citizens
then it has no point in existing. Promote the general welfare is health care.
The Tea Party is now so unpopular that even Tea Party members won't refer
to themselves as such. Now hopefully they will realize that it is their
policies that are unpopular (not just their name) and pass this legislation,
even though it may give Obama some sort of "win." (The real winners
being the citizens of the State of Utah, but when has that ever mattered when
you can stick a finger in Obama's eye.)
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