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Published: Wednesday, July 9 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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CHS 85
Sandy, UT

I think the letter writer and many of you are not understanding the difference between a Civil Servant, an elected official, and a political appointee. I would encourage you to figure out the difference before posting.

A civil servant is an competitive employee. He/she applies and is hired for a job somewhat like a private sector job, interviews, applications, etc. They are generally paid on a scale where everyone in the same job is paid in the same salary band and their jobs are classified based on the position description and responsibilities. Political affiliation is not an issue, it is inappropriate to discuss, and they serve the pubic regardless of their politics.

An elected official is just that, elected by the public in a certain area. They are politically affiliated.

A political appointee is in a position deemed by Congress to be appointed by the President. They are not necessarily aligned with a political party, but serve at the pleasure of the President. He can hire, fire, replace, etc. for any reason he/she deems appropriate. Most agency heads are political appointees.

Please learn the difference. It makes you look foolish when you don't.

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

51 percent or more of Americans support abortion, marriage equality, and the civil rights act of 1964. 51 percent or more Americans do not support bribery for free speech, shorter voting times, and the elimination of min wage.

The repubs have lost the popular vote in White House elections in 5 out of the last 6 elections.

So if repubs want to be ruled by "the majority" then I say, "Amen!"

airnaut
Everett, 00

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT
We have an all volunteer military. If you do not accept the responsibilies of military life, you have no obligation to enlist.
We live in a Republic where the majority choose our Representatives. Those Representatives are duty bound to vote the will of the people, not to cower when policially active minorities try to change society.

I sense someone’s guilt. Sorry you did not serve our Country, but as you stated, it was YOUR choice.
I chose to Serve – as both active Duty and Civil Service.

FYI – President Obama is our duly elected Representative.
By the Majority -- Twice!
However, you are right about one thing; he does not need to “cower” to the minority.

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L White
Springville, UT
LDS Church policy –
“The Church has not favored or opposed legislative proposals or public demonstrations concerning abortion.”
There -- Legislatively neutral, period.

Sorry if you disagree with it, but if you are going to lecture, you are going to need to lecture the LDS Church – not me.
I will follow the Prophet.

Stormwalker
Cleveland , OH

Pro-life verses pro-birth.

I rarely hear from anybody who is pro-life - that is, they want the baby born, and they support fully funded pre-natal health care for poor women, and they want WIC and other nutrition programs to be fully funded, and they agree education should be fully funded and teachers well paid, and they agree that childcare is needed and the working poor should get help to cover their childcare expenses and that children need full medical care in clean and well run settings, and education opportunities for single mothers will improve the lives of children...

Nope, nope, nope. None of that, it would be socialist. We'll complain about all that.

Just no abortions.

You are not "pro-life." You are "pro-birth" and also "anti-child."

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

@J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT
...Congress is duty bound to represent the majority.

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You know,
you are only making weakening your arguement.

The majority of Americans are in favor of:

Medical Marijuana,
are Pro-choice,
Favor Gun Control - ioncluding a complete ban on assault rifles,
Same Sex Marriage,
Raising Taxes on the Uber Wealthy,
Less Coal and Fossil Fuels,
Getting out of the Middle East,
Tighter controls on Business,
Raising the Minumum wage,
Support Immigration Reform,
and
Dislike the Tea-Party.

You are entitled to your opinions,
but you do not control Reality.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

And what pray tell does abortion have to do with being a civil servant?
Elected republicans trot it out every election but your civil servants don't perform them?

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ george of the jungle, automatic increases have not been happening for federal employees. I've seen it in the private sector. And do you even know the meaning and context of "compounded"?

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ Mike Richards, "In a Democratic Republic, the majority decides the election." You wouldn't know that by the behavior of the right wing. (Who I think would prefer a totalitarian regime as long as it's "conservative".)

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

Anyone else see the irony in Michele Richards lecturing us about majority rule?

If the majority ruled then the majority of their platform would be completely ignored.

It's only through our system that a small vocal minority, like the tea party, can shut down the entire government for throwing a fit. In a parliamentary system, the tea party and their cohorts would be completely ignored.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

@L White

Doesn't it tell us that the majority rarely agree to do anything that is immoral or unjust?

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So you support Gay Marriage right? The majority of the country does.

The majority of the country also supports Freedom of Choice.

So is this tyranny of the majority suppressing the wisdom of the minority?

ECR
Burke, VA

george of the jungle said "I think the writer is referring to those who has an automatic 3% cost of living increase compounded every year."

Then, of course, you are NOT talking about federal employees who got a 1.5% pay raise last year after no pay raises for the previous 4 years. Oh, and then there was the sequester that took 20% of the salary for no other reason than Congress didn't do it's job.

So who are you referring to?

ECR
Burke, VA

Mike Richards said, "It's interesting to read the polls. Obama would lose if an election were held today."

That statement could have been said about most presidents, especially at the halfway mark of a two term president. But the only poll that really counts is the one that's taken on election day. Obama won and Romney lost. Accept it and move on.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I do not support Gay Marriage, but I don't oppose Gay Marriage either. I do support the concept that an adult American can do as he pleases so long as he doesn't infringe on the rights and freedoms of others.

I do not believe that the majority of adult Americans support Gay marriage. Just because we grant certain freedoms to others, doesn't mean that we support all the things that a person might do.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

All people who receive compensation from the United States government for services rendered, are employees of the United States government. It doesn't really matter how they got the job, they are expected to perform the duties of their job according to the rules of the job description as specified by our government.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Stormwalker: "Pro-life verses pro-birth rant"

So let me get this straight...it is not enough to advocate not killing an unborn child. You must advocate cradle to grave entitlements for that child or you are not "pro-life"???

Is that really what you are saying?

I suppose by that kind of logic, you can't be "pro-choice" either unless you advocate that a woman should have a choice in EVERYTHING. (e.g. can choose to not pay taxes, to not sign up for Obamacare, to carry a gun without a permit, etc.)

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"With Utah being the most conservative State in the Union, the likelihood of our members of Congress voting with liberals should be somewhere between nil and never."

What an odd statement. I assumes there are no issues in which conservative and liberal agree upon. What a profound indication of how the writer views those who don't agree with him on all ideologic issues. It is an all or nothing proposition. If a "liberal" were to come up with a good highway bill... it is mandated that Utah's delegation must vote against it.

Mike - we are Americans first - all living under the same constitution. This attempt to divide this nation into two opposing sides is what will turn what is the arguably greatest nation on earth to yet another Iraq, a nation divided against its self sole based on ideologies.

Its a sad statement that you make - that we must be opposed to everything the other side agree with. And it surely doesn't reflect the council of the LDS leadership.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

Open Minded Mormon

I think Mike Richards trumped your argument. However, having read these posts my conclusion is that civil servants, and political servants have different roles. Certainly a fireman or policeman should not care about the politics of any person they serve. However, that should be the main thing a politician should care about when representing his constituency. Only the office of President of the U.S. can be said to be for all the people, as well as the Executive Branch workers who are appointed or overseen (military, FBI, Justice,ect.) by the President. Every other elected political office holder is representing a local entity. State or district.

Stormwalker
Cleveland , OH

@JoeCapitalist2

First, I did not say "cradle to grave," I said making sure the resources are available to support the *child* you demanded be born. Easy to pass laws that only impact others.

Second, "choice," as I am sure you know, refers to reproductive choice and not other activities.

You are pro-birth when you want to force government control over a womb that is not inside your own body. You are pro-life when you support children having the resources they need to grow up - food, adequet shelter, fully funded school, healthcare.

I know perhaps a dozen women who have talked about the decision to have an abortion. In each case it was a wrenching decision, and often they talked about being in poverty already and not having resources or support to have another baby.

And I should note that states mandating comprehensive sex education throughout school and mandating inexpensive and widely available contraceptives have the lowest teen birth and lowest abortion rates, while states with no little or no sex ed and hard to obtain contraceptives have high teen births and abortions.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

I think the author of the letter may have been thinking about more than just politics. The recent case of the police officer (civil servant) who refused to do his job because he disliked the group he was supposed to be serving, for example.

@Stormwalker;

Great commentary about the true effect of the "pro-lifers". If ever there was an oxymoron, "pro-life" is it.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Have your words ever been twisted? Have you ever been railroaded by others? If so you may have some understanding of why Lois Learner (possibly) chose to take the 5th amendment and not testify before Congress. Having had my words twisted in times past and also having others try to railroad me, I fully supported her in this.

When she exercised her 5th amendment right, tea party types in Congress tried to say she had waived her 5th amendment rights when she denied having done anything wrong. Really?, how does this do that? And if there is some rule that defines this as doing that, shouldn't people testifying before Congress be warned of this? shouldn't she have been warned? Similar to when a person is given their Miranda rights?

At this point, the conservatives in Congress deserve to twist in the wind and be frustrated in their efforts after what they tried and are trying to do to Lois Learner. Tea party types say their are all about the law and about the constitution, well apparently not.

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