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Published: Tuesday, July 8 2014 5:00 p.m. MDT

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Nickelsworth
Salt Lake City, UT

Thank you for a wonderful heart warming and faith building story. These are the pearls of great price we find and cherish along life's pathway that confirm the truthfulness of the gospel to anyone who will let the spirit touch their heart.

sashabill
Morgan Hill, CA

This journey of faith is uplifting and inspiring. Thank you for sharing it with us. Every faith journey is special, and no two are exactly alike. I came to the LDS faith after a circuitous "s-curve" journey through conservative Protestantism and then the Unitarian church.

BYUalum
South Jordan, UT

Thank you for this beautiful story and testimony. The spirit of this fine, honest-in-heart, and inquiring couple was eloquently worded. I was deeply touch and humbled. Having been reared in the Church and still a devout member, I can truly say, I also know that the Church is true by the same study and prayer that they went through.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Randy left Catholicism over doctrinal disagreements?

They had a Christian background before becoming Mormons. There is hope, But remember that each person coming out of Mormonism has a unique experience. They may have been the only Mormons in his or her family. Like anyone having a traumatic experience, each person is affected differently. The most important thing you can do is to pray for them. When a Mormon becomes a Christian, they give up all for the sake of Jesus Christ. i.e..,

Pre-existence VS, 1Cor. 15:46-47: “However, the spiritual is Not First, but the Natural; then the spiritual. The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second is man is from heaven.”

"...God who gives life to the dead and Calls into Being things that were not.(Romans 4:17 NIV).

Tertulllian wrote against the Platonic doctrine the Pre-existence of the soul (200 A.D. On Souls), Origen believed in the Platonic pre-existence The Council of Constantinople .. in 453 CE posthumously excommunicated him

pmccombs
Orem, UT

I once read an article like this one on a Catholic web site. It recounted the story of a Mormon who "came home" to the Catholic church, receiving "an hundred fold" and glorifying Christ. As a Mormon, I didn't find the article faith-promoting. I wonder what our Catholic and Episcopalian friends think of this article?

On Sunday I had the opportunity to listen to two different LDS fast and testimony meetings. The theme in both seemed to center on the sadness of a few who were struggling with loved ones' decisions to leave the church. I remember hoping that those who had lost their faith had at least found another. They who join a church often leave behind profound faith. Whether or not their stories are faith promoting, or faith destroying, is entirely a matter of perspective.

Interestingly, I find that ex-Mormon Catholics (i.e., a few I interviewed on Catholic Answers Forum) describe conversion experiences very similar to those shared by ex-Catholic Mormons. Curious... I am left without means to know whose experience with the Spirit of God is more authentic. My own experiences range widely, seeming to settle on no single thing.

Frissie
West Valley City, UT

@sharrona:

Re: Pre-existence VS, 1Cor. 15:46-47: “However, the spiritual is Not First, but the Natural; then the spiritual. The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second is man is from heaven.”

In Jeremiah 1:5 the scripture reads: "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

We are all spirit children of God and mortal children of our earthly biological parents. Jeremiah was taught that he would become a prophet "unto the nations" before he came to this earth. This scripture explains that our spirits existed before our bodies did. God knows us better than we know ourselves because of the veil that was placed over our minds when we came to this earth. He is there for us and wants us to return to live with Him again. We are only on this earth to gain a body and to gain experience and to receive the saving ordinances that will bind us to our families and live with them for eternity.

tuffgong
POCATELLO, ID

I really enjoyed this article.. My sheep hear my voice..

Eddie
Syracuse, UT

I noticed that people who love to "quote" scripture in their defense against Mormonism use, not the King James version that is most universally used, but some other version. In the above example, the New "Inspired" Version, (NIV). Just one question, Who was this inspired person who changed the wording? Is it a Prophet of God? Who told him/her to change it? Why do we have so many different "versions" of the scriptures. I don't think any of these people claim to be Prophets or Apostles.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secrets unto his servants the Prophets". I think the scriptures do indeed represent his secrets, for in them we find the truth.

DoloresCruz1982
BOULDER, CO

The NIV was not changed as to meaning. It was changed to modernize the language (King James English is antiquated) and to take advantage of more recent manuscript material.

Danish American
Payson, UT

@DeloresCruz 1982: You didn't answer the question--who changed it. Did they go back to the Hebrew or Greek translations? Did they understand the imagery of the Hebrew language? Did they change it to fit the world view and to justify what they believed rather than the intent of the authors as demonstrated by the Hebrew text?

sashabill
Morgan Hill, CA

@ sharrona, I rejected right wing Protestant theology (long before becoming LDS) for the following reasons: (1) Their doctrine of the Trinity (which struck me as unbiblical and nonsensical); (2) Their doctrine of Original Sin, which asks us to blindly accept guilt, without proof, for the sins of Adam. This contradicts the American concept of justice, wherein we are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law; (3) Their contradictory mixed messages regarding whether we possess free will (moral agency) and whether it counts for anything in the eternal plan of things; (4) Their continual degrading and belittling of the individual (as being "unworthy," "totally depraved," "by nature evil," etc.) This promotes an attitude of little more than chronic self-loathing. This is unhealthy - especially for young children - I don't care how "Christian" it is.

sharrona
layton, UT

Re: Frissie, Jer 1:5 Christians believe that God is omniscient, knowing everything about each person before birth. The emphasis is on God’s foreknowledge (“I knew thee”), not humanity’s knowing God.

In Job 38:4, God rebukes Job, “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?” Job 38:7 NIV …” and all the angels(sons)shouted for joy”.” In effect, God was reminding Job how Job wasn’t even in existence when the world was created.

We are all God’s creation in a generic sense but,“He predestined (Christians) for ‘Adoption as sons’ through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will” (Eph. 1:5).

RE: Sashabill, Original sin“… just as sin came into the world through one man(Adam), and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned(Romans 5:12.) For as by the one man’ disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s(Jesus) obedience the Many(not all) will be made righteous (Romans 5:19) Self-righteousness VS Christ’s righteousness.

DoloresCruz1982
BOULDER, CO

@ Danish American. Information on the NIV translation process is pretty easy to find. Wikipedia has an extensive description that names names. Over 100 scholars worked on it. Joseph Smith was not a Bible scholar in any but the casual, amature sense.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

Hooray for Wikipedia! The most correct source of information on the earth today. The keystone of truth and knowledge. Ask Tim Howard...

Eddie
Syracuse, UT

Dolores,
Do you really want to go there? Stop and think of examples from the Bible itself. Indeed, changing words DO change the meaning of things. Changing to modern language has really disrupted the English language. Try " Boy, she is really hot" or "This is really cool". Are we talking about temperature? "man, that was a Bad movie"...so was it good or bad by today's language?

DoloresCruz1982
BOULDER, CO

There is no reason for anyone to be in the dark about how the NIV Bible came to be. Multiple sources of information are easily retrievable whether from the Internet or the Dewey Decimal system. The language of the King James Bible and our modern language are different. Many more manuscripts and archeological discoveries have turned up since the King James Bible was produced. If anyone has changed things, it would be the LDS Church. What about all the changes between the original Book of Mormon and the version we use now?

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Sharrona,

I agree with Sashabill.

Also, reference Origen vs. the Council of Constantinople. Origen predates the Council by at least 200 years. He was far closer to original Christianity. The Council of Constantinople was as close to original Christianity as we are to the founding of New York City. Or as close as our great, great, grandchildren will be to the founding of our country. In other words, not close at all.

Jeffrey Swanson
Sandy, UT

Isn't it wonderful that we can disagree theologically and not be in fear for our lives? Protestants ( a form of Christianity), Catholics, LDS, Jews, Muslims and others can vigorously debate religion and in the end still be safe from religious retribution. I would suggest that our inspired Constitution has enabled us to freely move spiritually in any direction we wish. I am so grateful for this great country.

Scott M Soulier
South Jordan, UT

I so much needed to read this story tonight. I am filled with admiration and hope because of the devotion to uncovering the truth that this couple exhibited. God bless them along with the countless others who similarly seek for pure, diamond truth; and those who selflessly share it with others.

jasonlivy
Orem, UT

Dolores:

I've read some of the NIV Bible and I simply don't get the same message as I do from the King James version. I think the reason is that, in my mind, the language used in the KJV is much more sacred and holy. Re-writing it to be more 'relevant' kind of destroys it's intent, at least for me.

As far as the changes made to the Book of Mormon, most of these were grammatical changes and a few clarifications. However nothing was done to change the meaning or language. I don't think this is a fair comparison.

And finally, Joseph Smith was an amateur at almost everything including the Bible. However if you believe, as I do, that he was a prophet of God, called to bring the fullness of the gospel back to the earth, then his 'expertise' didn't really matter. The only thing required of him was to be worthy of the Spirit which was no small task. His translation of the Bible was based on revelation, not education. As the Bible says, "The Spirit, which is the Comforter, shall teach you all things."

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