@Michael Romney Exactly how many of the current Utah players, and players
from the last 2 teams; are Pac 12 talent? None of them, except for those
recruited the last few seasons, were recruited to the U as part of the Pac 12
conference. What happened to the whole BCS busters mentality, and that the BCS
conferences were nothing more than a joke and fraud? Those were the statements
made by the Utah fans, coaches, players, Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff,
and Sen. Hatch; when Utah was not given the title after 2 BCS bowls. This whole
trash talk about being BCS worthy, P5, or PAC-12; is the biggest bunch of
hypocrisy that I have ever seen. Even as a BYU fan, I was happy for the Utes on
their invite, but I never expected the same Utah fans trying to literally sue
the BCS; to suddenly talk like other BCS fans.It is hilarious, considering that
Utah dropped their lawsuit after getting an invite to the Pac12. If you
can't connect the dots to the invite, it is not worth the debate.
I keep reading how kids out west want to play for Pac12 schools or Pac10
schools. Kids do want to play for the schools in the Pac10, just not for the
PACthetic2. Osa Mesina just announced his final 5 and 3 were from the Pac10.
Andre James just committed to UCLA. Both kids should have been locks to go to
Utah, but kids want to play in bowl games. That is just a fact. Back to back
losing seasons can't help. Whit might be in trouble.
Snide remarks about Riley Burk. Really? ESPN rates Burk as a 77, a high 3-Star
recruit. (4-Star guys start at 80 on their scale.) Had this recruit committed
to Utah instead of the Y, he would currently be tied with Jake Grant, also a 77,
as the 2nd highest rated recruit on the 2015 Ute list. Ouch … For your afternoon humor – here’s a trend report for recruiting
class national ranking by year, as per 247 Sports. The key trends: Moderate
BYU improvement since 2011, Utah’s vertigo-inducing descent over the same
time period, and last year's crossing trend lines. Geewillikers,
Batman!BYU: 2011-70, 2012-72, 2013-64, 2014-64, 2015 YTD-54.Utah: 2011-40, 2012-37, 2013-47, 2014-66, 2015 YTD-63.Looks like
the Pac-12 recruiting honeymoon is over, the bills are coming due, and the trend
in SLC is heading over the cliff. Love it that you’re paying so much
attention to events in Provo, but your concern may be misplaced, unless
you’re looking to buy TDS season tickets sometime soon. In the meantime,
a hearty welcome to Mr. Burk, obviously a smart young man as well as an
exceptional athlete. :-)
If Hill replaces Whit, it will be for a big name primadonna who will be here for
a couple of years, make a name for himself, and then leave for greener pastures,
such as has happened before. Utah will have its 2 or 3 years of glory, then back
to the same ol' thing.
BYU as an independent can and will match every move the so called p5 makes, but
will remain independent in football and, be available for scheduling
opportunities as some schools drop out of the expensive p5.I'm
amazed how Bronco and Tommy are able to constantly keep BYU football in the
nations press!Of course players deserting the red to play for the
True Blue also helps! It'll even be easier when Whit is forced to take a
job elsewhere after this next season!Ahhh, ain't football
Chris B: If Riley Burt is "crickets" why would "your" team be
showing interest? Maybe Coach Whit can see something you cannot. As usual, you
are the first poster on a BYU article and your post as always is negative. Do
you not ever have anything positive to say? Peace Brother.
Utes were sniffing around this kid and couldn't land him. Seems like a
good kid and a good athlete. Happy he will play all across the country --and
in bowl games --ranked routinely --rather than just regionally on a losing
@Tomahawk Red"But I thought everyone wants to play for the
Pac10------------They do. That's correct."Um. Do you want me to start listing players who turned down Pac-12
schools to come to BYU?-Nick Kurtz: Turned down many Pac-12 schools,
most notably USC and Oregon-Devon Blackmon: Played at Oregon, hated it,
decided to leave, turned down utah and ASU to play for BYU.-Max Hall left
Arizona State-Taysom Hill left Stanford-Harvey Langi will leave utah
even though Whittingham is throwing a temper tantrum-Kyle Van Noy turned
down almost all Pac-12 schools-John Beck turned down multiple Pac-12
schoolsI could go on with many more just off the top of my head, but
you get the point. I hope.I'm sure there are a lot more
I'm not even aware of, but I don't need to look them up. I've
made my point.And there are hundreds of kids who turn down Pac-12
offers to go to other places besides BYU.
Two For Flinching,All things considered I think both programs are
pretty even in recruiting. BYU gets more highly rated prospects than Utah, but
Utah seems to always get a pretty decent class and has quality top to bottom.
In-state recruiting is a draw as far as I am concerned, especially now that
Langi transferred. If Utah loses Whittingham, you can bet there will be a big
drop off.Here is some data you might find interesting.Scout4 star recruits on Utahs Roster = 3 ( Poutasi, Lutui, Barton)4 star recruits on BYU's Roster = 12 (Warner, Langi, Kearsley, Hinds,
Mangum, Apo, Stout, Rowley, Kaufusi, Wilson, Bills, Hine) Rivals 4 star recruits on Utahs Roster = 7 (Lewis, Hansen, Salt, Thomas, Poutasi,
Barton, Scott)4 star recruits on BYU's Roster = 10 (Warner, Kurtz,
Langi, Kearsley, Hinds, Mangum, Apo, Kaufusi, Bills, Matthews)ESPN4 star recruits on Utahs Roster = 2 (Lotulelei, Law)4 star
recruits on BYU's Roster = 9 (Blackmon, Nacua ESPN300, Warner, Kearsley,
Hinds, Pauu, Mangum ESPN300, Apo, Kaufusi) BYU clearly has the upper
hand in recruiting higher caliber athletes. But top to bottom I think Utah has
more depth and quality athletes- Hence the higher ranked classes.
@Brave Sir Robin;I am hopeful that, regardless of color, BYU, Utah
State and Utah all have successful recruiting classes this year. They are all
quality programs and build quality athletes. The better the three teams are the
better chance ANY program from the state has of breaking into the playoff
system. Our state does put out some quality football players of all races. I
would hope this discussion doesn't degenerate into one of race.
@ CTJ fan"Just so you know Ute fans, BYU's class was rated
quite a bit higher than yours last year!"False. The classes
were quiet close last year with rivals having Utah at #67 and BYU at #71. Utah
was quite a bit higher the past few seasons, and has unquestionably won the
instate recruiting for the past 5 years or so.
Ute fans are hilarious, talk about a little brother complex. Have no idea why
so many respond on Cougar article's? You guys spend all your time trying
to tear down everything BYU does, I guess that makes you feel better with your
inept team right now. Just so you know Ute fans, BYU's class was rated
quite a bit higher than yours last year! The funny thing is you'd of
thought that going into the Pac12 you would get anybody you want in the state,
but you still don't win the in state recruiting, how pathetic is that.
Well those of you who spend your days reading BYU articles will no doubt try to
justify why this happens and will probably have a few harsh words because thats
what happens when you don't have a good argument. One thing for you to
remember you will never see me writing on a Ute article, do you know why?
Because I have absolutely no interest in that team, maybe you should learn from
@tomahawk red"They do. That's correct."Really? I can make a loooooooooooong list of players that don't, starting
with the one transferring you have all been whining about. lol
Dang awesome. we are so good at recruiting and stuff.
I hope both BYU and Utah get the athletes they want. This is a year when Utah
doesn't play BYU. What both programs need is very similar. They need to
win games. Even the challenge is similar. BYU can't afford to lose more
than two games and it would be better for them to run the board, and Utah needs
to be bowl eligible, preferably with 7 wins or more. Neither has an impact on
the other this season. The challenge to do this is daunting for both of them,
given their past seasons.None of the recruits will have an impact on
this season, and possibly the next season as well, including Langi if he ends up
at BYU. One would expect Langi to redshirt this season, at least if he has a
season he can do that with. A lot can happen in a year. Who knows if the
coaching staff at Utah will be in the same circumstance as they are this year.
By winning a lot of game pressure could be removed, or by losing more than six
games, they could be gone.
BlackDiamondProvo, UTBut I thought everyone wants to play for
the Pac10------------They do. That's correct.Unfortunately, this young man had no offers from any Pac 12 school. He
had some interest from Utah, USU, UNLV and Boise State. But just ONE offer:
BYU.Thanks for dropping by.
BlackDiamond:"But I thought everyone wants to play for the
Pac10"Most folks out west do. And so might Burt. If you look
at Rivals, he's listed as a "soft verbal". Those sorts of
commitments are pretty common for athletes who have 0 other FBS offers, but are
holding out hope for additional opportunities. If Burt wants to play in the
Pac-12, he'll first have to earn a Pac-12 offer. Until then, he can at
least be assured of a roster spot on a small-ball midmajor squad.
We will still win you because he isn't 5 star like our players.Go Utes!
Sub 11 100 speed in Utah is very rare. Those guys usually come from out of
state and are slated as running backs. This is an early commit, and a smart one
by the Cougars.
I hope we win.
Chris BSo of the 65 power conference teams, the list of those,
besides Utah, who offered Cody Barton is this:* crickets *Honestly, the tunnel vision you have when it comes to rating recruits is
@Chris BYou don't seem to understand how this works.Signing day is still a far way away from us. Many recruits commit to BYU with
little to no offers and then have offers from half of the Pac-12 schools by
signing day.About half of our recruiting class last year was that
way. Even Fred Warner, Nick Kurtz and Isaiah Nacua, all four-star recruits who
headlined our class, committed to BYU with only a few offers, and by the end
they had offers from most Pac-12 schools and a few other power 5 teams.I'm not saying this kid is the next 4 star player with offers from
Stanford, Oregon, or Alabama, but I guarantee you he will have a few power 5
offers before all is said and done.
Cougsndawgs,I'm not sad we may have "lost" a guy to
byU. My quotes from June 30 2012 Des News article titled "Utah
Utes football: Harvey Langi announces plans to serve LDS mission’""Harvey will end up at BYu.......good.....""Go
to BYu Langi........Utah doesn't need you""Utah is just fine!
Langi NEEDS to go to BYu. That is fine.........please let Utah find guys to
"play" for Utah."Go look it up - I'm glad he's
gone.As for Burt, I can see that Utah declined to offer him.
He's not Pac 12 quality(see no Pac 12 offers)
Good athlete good kid. But we won't know how good till he gets on the
field.Chris B. You should not worry the Utes will get their share
of 2 and 3 star guys and continue to do just fine with them…at the bottom
of the PAC-12
Chris:Also after this week I would worry more about being able to keep
your 4 stars from wanting to go to big brother! Lol
That's some pretty legit speed in the 100 meters. Anything sub 11.0 in HS
is pretty fast, and they will decrease that time in college. Nice to be getting
decent speed and athleticism in the secondary again. Lake from Northridge is
also a stud that BYU picked up at corner.CB:How are all those
high star athletes at Utah doing? Apparently they're either over rated or
just underachieve because 4-5, 3-6, 2-7 and bowless isn't the right
direction. So is it coaching, choking, or what? Lol
But I thought everyone wants to play for the Pac10
So of the 65 power conference teams, the list of those who offered him is this:
Looks like having winning seasons does make a difference in recruiting.
And I thought the Utes got all of the local talent?Whit is losing
his touch, he's toast after this season.
Huge get by my Cougars.