Wherever he feels the best and most comfortable with, he should go. Of course
now all we are going to hear is "go to BYU if you want to go to a bowl
game", even if that means playing weak competition to get there. Both are
great schools, with great opportunities. I'm a die hard Utes fan, but I
enjoy watching both schools play throughout the season. If Langi want to go to
BYU, let him go, and best of luck to him.
Doesn't Harvey realize that he's leaving the beloved PAC 12, home of
the Utes, the doormat of the PAC 12??Surely he's lost his mind...LOL
We have a deep roster at running back, no big deal
Welcome home Elder Langi!And welcome to Provo! Can't wait to see you
wearing the BLUE and white!
Shocking news that he would leave a PAC12 school for little ol' BYU! Go
As Vai states, this isn't about 2 schools, it is about Elder Harvey Langi.
I hope those who post can respect the young man's decision. I wish the
best for all of the young men who serve irrespective of their school of choice
for education or sports. The same for Harvey Langi. All the best for you young
Nothing like 700 days of blue blooded peer pressure to take away a commitment
and honor stripping of the mans dignity. BYU must need new blood in the I want
to be independent, but not really, race of futility.
It might take a month, six months, a year, or even two. But eventually those
missionary goggles wear off, and he'll realize he made a huge mistake.
Come on, Sister Langi. You voluntarily pay money to BYU but you can't
stand the thought of your son attending?
My quotes from June 30 2012 Des News article titled "Utah Utes football:
Harvey Langi announces plans to serve LDS mission’""Harvey will end up at BYu.......good.....""Go to BYu
Langi........Utah doesn't need you"I'm glad it worked
out this way! I prefer kids who want to embrace the LDS lifestyle to go to
One more of my posts from 2012 when he said he'd go on a Mormon mission:"Utah is just fine! Langi NEEDS to go to BYu. That is
fine.........please let Utah find guys to "play" for Utah."I prefer Utah to continue to pick fewer LDS kids - they are the kind we want
to lead us in the Pac 12.That's the cold hard truth.
His mission president Mark Cusick is from Provo and is a huge BYU supporter, so
I wouldn't discount that potential "influence" one bit. With that
said, the kid needs to do what is in his best interest. Will see how it plays
I know how he feels. I too thought BYU was the place for me after serving my
mission. Of course I was not an athlete with scholarship commitments to
fulfill. I hope he realizes he can be just as successful in life and the Church
by staying at the U. My financial circumstances ultimately kept me at the U and
I don't regret it for a minute. I am sure all the paperwork is in order at
the U and once Harvey's missionary goggles come off after he is released by
his Stake President he will have a chance to meet with Coach Witt. Hopefully
his mind will change.
Whittingham - from a die-hard Ute, stop acting like a child. If he wants to go
to byU, let him go. This is such a major issue with the NCAA. If coaches can
transfer as Whittingham can, he should let the kids do as well. Stop the
hypocrisy Whittingham. Let him transfer. We don't need him anyways.Go UTES
Not surprised. Kyle is gone if they don't go above .500, and the kid picked
up good values. Good for him. Go Cougars .
If you read the article there is more than just football to this young man. He
wants to go where he feels the most comfortable. BYU is deep at Running back
and Elder Langi knows this. This is not just about football.
I think it has been stated very well here, it is about where a young man feels
most comfortable. If a BYU player came home and said he wanted to transfer to
Utah I would wish him well. Missions change people and they grow up. I have
two grandsons leaving later this year, one to Mexico and the other waiting for
his call. They will not be the young boys they are now when they return. Elder
Langi is to be congratulated for making a difficult decision and deciding what
is best for him.
As Harvey said, this isn't about football. Whittingham is just being sour
grapes because he doesn't want Langi to go to the Y. If you truly care
about a young man, you let him make decisions about his life that he feels are
best for him. Having played and graduated from BYU coach Whit should understand
this better than most. It sounds like if nothing was signed Whit may not have a
say in the matter.And to our friendly neighborhood
hater...apparently Whit doesn't agree with you that it's "no big
deal". Then again you have more influence and knowledge of the situation
than he does right? Lol
Wouldn't it be better to get a ruling from the NCAA on the
"technicality" BYU is claiming before playing this out in the
I have no doubt that a mission influences missionaries to go to BYU when they
return, especially sports players. This influence usually comes from other
missionaries and mission presidents which is fine but I do feel that it is
For the first time ever, I think I agree with Chris B. The Utes are deep at RB
and it really does not hurt them. He could move into a backup role at BYU, but
he is looking at 3rd string at best for the Utes. I also hear they were planning
on moving and developing him into a LB.
If that's what he wants to do then I see no reason not to support it; best
of luck at BYU.
Utah is stacked at RB, and the Y is not. He knows that he could RS for the year,
get into shape and play a lot next year down in Provo, while he is sitting in
the 2 or 3 deep at Utah. He knows that Whit wants him at D End, which might be a
great fit for him. Who knows. At the Y, he can play RB and run all over that
weak schedule and possibly have a decent college career. So if Vai
is right, and the Y states that his LOI was lost or never filed, and if they
actually know this, that means that they do recruit players while they are on
their missions. I don't really mind if they recruit players, just
don't tell me that it never happens.
Whittingham isn't going to release him because that sets a terrible
precedent for all future missionaries. Also, this article hints that
since he never signed a LOI, BYU might be able to fight Whittingham's
decision. I doubt BYU really thinks they can fight this unless they are
completely clueless. He PLAYED a year for Utah, which is much more binding than
a LOI. If Langi does end up transferring, he will definitely have to sit out a
year. If he doesn't get released from Utah, he will have to sit out a year
AND he cannot be on scholarship for that year.
He just spent two years serving the Lord as a missionary for the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Now he wants to continue serving the Lord by
attending The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints very own university
called BYU. Makes perfect sense. He's had a spiritual conversion.If Whit does not respect this spiritual decision made by Elder Langi, then he
has revealed a character flaw. Especially when he went to BYU himself.
Well more fodder for the old, I mean old, rivalary. This is about Harvey and
his life and he should be free to make his own decisions but, he does not get to
pick the consquences. The U and his mother sounds as if they could make it
difficult for him and they both have that right as well. Harvey was always soft
between the tackles so it will be interesting to see if he can take a couple of
blows coming right off his mission.Personally, Whit should let him go.
He's not bigger than the program and it sounds as if Happy Valley would be
a better fit for him.
Wallbanger (and a couple of others)- Well said - There have been a few go the
other way (Star and Murphy come to mind) and generally speaking BYU fans have
supported them as athletes (except for a little smack). I think it is pretty
lame when a coach holds a player hostage.
Chris B. BYU also has a stable of running backs better ones then Utah's,
yet you don't turn down a 4 star running back. It's funny that your
acting like it's no big deal, when if it were turned around I bet it would
be huge in your eyes.Anyway how utterly classless has Whittingham
turned out to be? BYU has released anyone from their commitments when asked
because they care about the players and them as people, but I guess Whit
doesn't. Chris B if Utah had so many good running backs I doubt that Whit
would care so much!I think it's adimiral that he wants to
transfer because he feels he can become a better person, he knows himself better
than anyone else and if he thinks he can become a better person at BYU why would
anyone have a problem with that, especially those who are supposed to care for
People who can't play in bigger conferences always go to weak division I,
or junior college programs. Why is this big news? At least his team won the Red
and White game in 2011. That is more success than any other BYU player has had
in recent history against Utah.
PapaSmurf - Ya, and don't tell us you don't recruit either. Right?
Looks like my probation is over. I couldnt log in for the longest time.
Suddenly it is now working.We shouldnt doubt the young man's
intensions. I am sure that they are heart felt. However, didnt Wittingham
announce that Langi would be switched to linebacker or safety some time ago?
Utah clearly doesnt need him a running back. One more example of
recruiting day hype not mattering 3-4 years down the road.
I don't know who I am more impressed with....Langi or Mission President
Who would want to put a roadblock in the path of a young man who is following
his heart? Shame on Whit. The young man wants to serve his Lord by attending his
church's school. You had the same opportunity coach, now let
@PendergastUh, Harvey Langi? He was a 4-star recruit from Bingham,
high school all-american, 2010 5A mvp. He had good minutes as a true freshman at
the U. He was the Utes top rated recruit in 2011. He had offers from the U, BYU,
Stanford, USC, UCLA, Washington, etc.This is a nice surprise!@Chris Bremember last year how the U was "stacked"
at the QB position? Can't wait to see the depth of the RB
position. The go fast, go hard, go long approach needs players we can substitute
in and not miss a beat. Langi will help with that problem. You can never
complain about depth that's for sure.
@FailstormHe no more committed to playing 4 years at Utah than you
did to staying at the same job the rest of your life. You do have a job right?
The kid can go wherever he wants, just as you can even though you signed an
employment agreement.Neither are binding. Stop the hypocrisy. Go
It's his decision, not his coach's, not even his family's - in
the end it's his decision. If he wants to transfer to BYU, why would you
stand in his way or limit him or delay him scholarship-wise? You might hold or
retard a man's scholarship, but you can't hold his heart.It's common for a young man to go on a mission and come back with a
"Whittingham isn't going to release him because that sets a terrible
precedent for all future missionaries."Are you kidding me? BYU
is the LDS church's school. When you serve a mission for the LDS church you
come to realize on many an occasion that BYU is the church's school for a
reason. It's value system and honor code are lock step with the mission.
You want to continue the life and values you've established on your mission
at a school that shares what you believe in. A 17 year old kid makes mistakes.
But many a time a mission reveals your true self. At 21, Langi wants to wear
Blue. In Blue he is representing his church, his beliefs, his core values, and
his Lord.Has nothing to do with precedent. If you don't want
your players to convert to their church's school, then by all means
discourage them from going on a mission in the first place. Which in the end,
would be just as wrong.
My son is in the Bingham program and we talked about this when Langi left. We
were certain he'd be heading for Provo when he got back. I'm ok with
him heading south. He never really did anything at Utah. He was a primadonna
expecting everything to be handed to him like it was at Bingham. Hopefully his
mission has provided a work ethic that he didn't have before. Coach Peck
at Bingham is a huge byu fan so I suspect he had a part to play in this. Best
of luck to him wherever he ends up.
Typical Wittingham. Let the boy decide it is about him. Even if it is Miami
Florida, it is about him.
Love Harvey and his whole family. Was his and his brother Sam's ym leader
back when they were young boys. Great family!! I'm sure he'll make
the right decision for he and his family. I just want to know where his
Interesting variety of comments. This is exactly the kind of
situation that distinctly indicates which Ute fans have class and which ones
still lack it. To the ones who have shown some real and genuine class in this
comment section, my hat is off to you. Your life priorities are where they
should be. College sports are important, but not above all else. People
themselves are much more so. To the rest of you... Keep working at
it. The principle of progression is classified as eternal. There's still
time to leave your sour grapes behind and grow up.
BYU is second to none when it comes to its unique Mormon culture. Its this
culture that Harvey was worried about before his mission. He has made changes
in his life that came from mission service so he now desires to be fully part of
that culture. Anyone who claims that the on each U offers the same
sort of experience at BYU needs only to walk each campus and take in the
scenery. The U, while nice has a different feel to it. A lot of it has to do
with how the student body dresses. Some of it has to do with the alternative
lifestyles that were at every high school--the smokers, the hippies and
others.Whit is in his last year. We all sense it. While I am sure
Harvey is grateful to the coach, his decision to go to the Y should be
understood and respected.
Good luck to the kid where ever he ends up. I don't understand
why Vai thinks he will "suit up" this fall. He played his freshman year
and will have to sit out a year if he transfers.
From very close personal experience, I can tell you that many young men in high
school fear their inability to live up to BYU's Honor Code. They would
like to attend BYU but they don't want to ruin their careers and embarrass
their families by becoming a headline. After a mission, these same young men
often become committed to living up to the Honor Code, and they feel free to
attend BYU, which is where they wanted to be in the first place. It's not
much complicated that that. I'm a U of U alumni and this doesn't
offend me at all.
PapaSmurf: Your making alot of assumtions you can't backup, I believe that
his mission president is telling the truth. Langi is the one who made the
decision and he knows what he feels and what would be best for him. I'm
really disappointed in Whit , IMO that is classless. I hope for the best for
Langi and love that he has realized what things are important and where he can
achieve those things the easiest, in an enviroment more suited to do so.
This whole episode encapsulates in a microcosm where these two programs are
at....Langi would be a third or fourth string back this year at Utah. At BYU,
he's receiving a hero's welcome and a potential starter..... BYU is
really falling behind in athletics!!!
Although I would like to see Harvey return to Utah and believe that a transfer
to BYU would be a PR hit, I don't believe he is a game changer. I would
like to have KW simply release him if Harvey sits down with KW, the other
coaches, and the Utah players and explains to them his decision to transfer. If
Harvey refuses to do this, I would not release him. Elder Langi hopefully
learned on his mission that he has responsibilities to the U and that those
responsibilities include, at the minimum, sitting down face-to-face with his
prior coaches and teammates. If he is unwilling to do this I question whether
he has learned very much on his mission.
Comparing ute, and Cougar fans at their home games,--it is not the same.Harvey wants the honor code, and I don't blame him.
Cougsndawgs (and others) "As Harvey said, this isn't about
football."If it is truly not about football, then by all means Harvey
should transfer to BYU.If it is truly not about football, then Bronco
shouldn't offer him a spot on the team.
This isn't about Langi. Whit doesn't care if he leaves but he will
freak out when Chase Hansen does the same thing. This drama is all about making
Chase think twice before leaving. Whit cannot let his best players leave for
Provo. Ultimately this will hurt recruiting at Utah as Whit is going to look
like an Ogre for denying a kid an opportunity to play college football. Why
would a coach want a kid that doesn't want to play for him anyway? BYU or
Bronco would never do this to a kid. Good luck at BYU Harvey. Glad to land
another 4 star recruit.
I for one am not crazy about our purported depth at RB on the Hill. For
starters, our #1 RB is Bubba Poole. This guy only rushed for 607-yds last
season, and accounted for only 956 all purpose yards. That's decent, but
nothing to get really excited about. And McCormick is an inexperienced Freshman
who's listed at 165-lbs. Yes, I know he's got crazy speed, and that
he tore it up in Spring camp, but that's just one game. I just don't
see a 165-lbs RB being durable enough to last all 12.Personally, I
hope Booker proves to be the real deal, and Oliver retakes his spot at the #1 or
#2 spot on the depth chart. Should THAT happen, we'd be just fine without
Langi. And especially with reports coming out of Spring camp that Langi was
going to be switched over to LB anyway. But if Booker and Oliver don't
take the reins, and McCormick can't last a full season, and Poole is only
"decent" again, losing a guy like Langi, who could be switched BACK to
RB, might be damaging to our depth.GO UTES!!!
I have a lot of respect for the U. of Utah and Coach Wittingham. I hope the
Utes have a great year. Having said that, I think college football players
should play by the same rules as coaches and be free to transfer to whichever
college they want without penalty. Many of the NCAA rules hurt students who, in
fact, make college sports possible. And while we're at it, let's get
rid of the eligibility limitations. If someone wants to play for 7 years, let
him. It could only help the Utes, who have an excellent medical school and more
graduate programs then BYU anyway.
RSL, didn't you read the article... specifically that Harvey didn't
even share with fellow missionaries that he was an athlete. The young man wants
to transfer to BYU for reasons far removed from sports. Give him that freedom.
This whole episode encapsulates in a microcosm where these two programs are
at....Langi would be a third or fourth string back this year at Utah. At BYU,
he's receiving a hero's welcome and a potential starter. The athletic
program at BYU is falling way behind Utah!!!
Re: Chris B. "We have a deep roster at running back, no big
deal"That should be the final word for the Utes... Maybe Chris
B. should call coach Whit and tell him about it.I hope this works
out for Langi. I remember being disappointed to hear that he was going to the
U. I'd love to see him playing at the Y.
So awesome. Now he can be awesome and play top games. He will play a ton more
@ SoonerUte:It's not an either/or situation. You need to finish
and understand the rest of the sentence. Read this one slowly and you many get
it...This isn't about football ABOVE ALL ELSE.It's
truly not just about football.Playing football for the Y is just
icing on the cake. He's made his decision. Time to find something else to
complain about. BTW: To Adam84084 and others who pretend this
guy was way down the list on the Ute depth chart...Whittingham is losing
sleep over this issue for a valid reason. What other RB's on the Ute team
are or were 4-star guys?Kid yourselves by playing that game, but
you're not fooling anyone else. The Ute coaches were counting on this guy
big-time, so this genuinely hurts. He was an All-American coming out of high
school who was recruited by at least half the PAC12 programs. No one has
yet come close to seeing his full potential when previously a young teenager. My
guess, based on all the accolades he's received, is the sky is the limit
regarding him and his abilities. Only time will tell.
Oh, this is so fun on so many levels and the sour grapes make such a fine
whine!"We're stacked at that position... We don't need
him...", blah, blah, blah. I should go back 3-4 years ago in the Dnews
archives and find some of the gloating comments when Harvey committed.Well, I sure hope this young man gets his wish. In the absence of a signed
Letter of Intent Harvey is fair game.This should not be contested,
Whit should man up and if he doesn't, as someone else has stated, it's
one of those rare moments where a poor decision is going to define you going
forward.Whit will look foolish if he doesn't graciously allow
this to happen. He's already looking stubborn and silly.
Michael Romney,"I prefer Utah to continue to pick fewer LDS kids
- they are the kind we want to lead us in the Pac 12"So let me
get this straight: you like being the Pac 12 doormat?
Harvey knew he was coming back to a 3rd or 4th string spot and likely
wouldn't play at the U. I agree that Whit is sending Chase Hansen a
message since the Utah staff realized much of Langi's success had to do
with a dominant O line when he played at Bingham.
I lettered for two years at the U before a mission. I transferred to the Y and
never regretted a minute, hour, or year. Good decision, Langi!
Langi would not start right away, but he is talented so: red rover red rover
send Langi right over!
@factcheck and Papa Smurf UTE"Utah is stacked at RB, and the Y
is not."-BYU #18 running back group in the nation according to
Athlon, and #27 according to Phil Steele.-utah unranked in bothPreseason magazines aren't perfect, but they're generally pretty
accurate and BYU is nationally recognized as having a great RB group. So
it's not the blue goggles, it's your red goggles. Once again I
actually back up my statements with fact, while others just say random biased
things that pop into their minds.Langi would not be the starter at
BYU until at least 2016 assuming Williams stays for his senior year. He would
struggle to even be the 2nd or 3rd or 4th guy this year considering we have
Lasike, Brown, and Hine.I would think he would have to redshirt this
year or else waste a year of eligibility. Then he might be able to be the 2nd or
3rd guy next year and start in 2016.As for utah, he got good playing
time as a freshman, so I don't know why you think he would be buried on the
BYU will better utilize him. He will definitely get more playing time and have
the opportunity to let his skills shine at BYU and probably split time with
Williams.You won't regret your decision!
What disappoints me is that "this talk" of playing football or going to
school is taking place before Harvey even gets home from his mission. And
getting an appointment to meet Bronco before he gets home, is another very
disturbing idea. This "talk" and "appointments" should take
place after he is released from his mission, not while he is on his mission.
@Judith DFrom very close personal experience, I can tell you that many
young men in high school fear their inability to live up to BYU's Honor
Code. They would like to attend BYU but they don't want to ruin their
careers and embarrass their families by becoming a headline. --------------------------------------While that may be the case
for some young men (noting your reference to a close personal experience), if
you think about it, they run the same risk by going on a mission and having to
live an even MORE stringent set of rules and the even greater risk for shame,
guilt and embarrassment for them and their families if they have to return home
early.Rather than fear, I think it comes down to maturity. Most kids
don't think further ahead than the end of their nose. They're not
worried about what might happen down the road if they make a mistake. Most kids
think they'll never get caught. I see it happen all the time. Maturity
brings perspective and kids returning from a mission tend to come back with both
when they lacked both prior.
Principle.My over-riding issue is the ability for coaches who leave
for a better situation without penalty, yet the players are penalized for making
the same move.I have made this comment more than once.I
am also a Ute fan.That being said up-front...Harvey was
reported as saying it's not about football. If he was accurately quoted,
Harvey should go to BYU, and under the current rules, accept the penalty and
move-on.It has been suggested by one DN reader familiar with the
Bingham program that Harvey is all about Harvey. If that is indeed true, Bronco
has a history of avoiding this type of player like the plague. Harvey truly struggled during his one year at Utah. He seemed to be a mere
shadow of what he had been at Bingham.Life is about choices, but
also about consequences. Harvey and his family knew what they were doing when
he went to Utah. Even though I don't agree with the current rules of
transfer, I would hope that a RM would do the honorable thing, accept the
consequences of his choice and then make the best of the situation.
If the young man had a change of heart and wants to attend a different school, I
have no problem with that decision. Do what you feel is best for you and good
luck.Now, as far as the comments about Coach Whit, I think the
majority of the posts are either from people that don't understand football
or else they are misguided. I see no reason the U should release him from his
scholarship. He enrolled at Utah and played for a year. If he wants to attend
BYU, nothing is stopping him. Langi says it isn't about football so he
should be fine to request a release, transfer to BYU, and sit out a year. All
the jabber about the U needing or not needing him is meaningless and has nothing
to do with the situation.While I support his decision to make a
change, he also need to understand that decisions come with consequences. In
most cases the consequence is to sit out a year when you decide to transfer.
RSL, Not all missionaries or mission presidents are BYU fans. Many are not
even sports fans. I had about as many companions that went to Utah as I did
that went to BYU, and even more that didn't go to either school. Not sure
how your assumptions about undue influence on the part of others is really a
valid point. Do you think that Elder Langi is the victim of a Jedi mind trick?
If he is, would you really want him at Utah?
I have read only three comments and I couldn't wait to comment. Brother
Whittingham let Elder Langi have his free agency, give your blessing and wish
him all the best. A man forced against his will is of the same opinion still. KH
take the high road in this. I would think you want the best for Elder Langi and
have him be in a place where is most comfortable with his surroundings. KH do
the right thing, Thank you.
"I saw guys change at Utah after missions, so I suppose it can happen
anywhere. But for me personally, I feel BYU will help me reach my goals —
I'm not even talking about football.... don't know how to explain it,
but I want to be where others all live by those same expectations."-----------------------------------Harvey sounds like a very
mature and humble young man who knows what is what. As much as Whitt and others
try to say it's no different at the UofU than it is at BYU they know deep
down inside they're lying to themselves. The culture is not the same and at
times there's even a culture of disdain for the church that is actively
encouraged at the UofU.While Langi comes across sincere and mature,
how much Whitt really does honestly care about his players comes across very
clearly in his bitter tone. He cares about himself many orders of magnitude more
than he does his players:"As far as I'm concerned,
he's a Ute," he told me. "I'm not releasing him."Nice job coach. Words of a drowning man.
The Utes are in a conference that is WAY to big for them while. It's like a
4th grader trying to go to graduate school. BYU playing is playing in a
conference (Independent)that no one cares about. "oh boy, we are playing
Hercules High this week boys. Really Who cares where Langi goes:) Roll Tide
Sammy G and others - the supposed letter that wasn't signed would be a good
argument if the young man had redshirted or gone on his mission right out of
high school. However, he didn't. He played a year at the U. I don't
see any reason why a coach should release a player and let him transfer to
another D1 school without requiring him to sit out a year. Absolutely nothing
wrong the U coaches not giving him an outright release. The whole
debate about the letter of intent seems like a technicality at best. If a
lawyer found a loophole to get a drunk driver released you would be up in arms.
So, now that the true nature of Vai's new favorite buddy is shining through
and the luster of his coaching tenure has been severely tarnished are we going
to see Vai stop the gross adulation he was heaping on Kyle and the utes before?
Where do you turn for friends now Vai? You've burned bridges at
BYU and now your good buddy Kyle has one foot out the door and has just pounded
a stake in the heart of future LDS recruits in the state of Utah. Where do you
turn to now?
Don't know why Utes fans make a big deal about this...other schools have
lostmissionary recruits to BYU before.Utah should have learned to
deal with it.Go Utes!
@adelman"Whittingham isn't going to release him because
that sets a terrible precedent for all future missionaries."No,
Whittingam isn't going to release him because he is selfish, immature, and
Langi says he believes "BYU will offer me ways to grow as a person". By
Whittingham not releasing Langi, that takes the distraction of football off the
table. Without the distraction, Langi can transfer to BYU, focus on his
studies, and continue to grow as a person. That sounds like an LDS coach
looking out for the best interests of an LDS student.For this, BYU
fans call Whittingham selfish. BYU fans want Langi to play football this year.
Who is really the selfish one in this picture?BYU football
doesn't need Langi this year (especially with THAT schedule). Don't
be selfish. Let Langi grow as a person. Let him join BYU football next year,
when things get a little tougher.
It's not because he'd play for a team that hasn't gone bowling in
two years, it's not because of the fired Wyoming coaches taking over,
it's not because he doesn't like the environment.............it's
all of those reasons & more.
@Adam84040"This whole episode encapsulates in a microcosm where
these two programs are at....Langi would be a third or fourth string back this
year at Utah. At BYU, he's receiving a hero's welcome and a potential
starter. The athletic program at BYU is falling way behind Utah!!!"Your statement about utah may be true, but your statement about BYU is
completely off the mark. He would be nowhere near a starter, or a potential one
at that. He very well could be down the road, but if you think anyone could take
away Williams's spot this season, you need to learn a little more about
this team.The way I see it, Harvey's playing time would be
similar at BYU or utah. At either school, he would redshirt or hardly play in
2014, work his way into decent playing time in 2015, and contend for a starting
spot in 2016. The comments that state that he wasn't good enough at utah
but will be a star at BYU are simply incorrect.
@Co Ute,We don't gain anything by not releasing him - and I
think Coach Whit would want bronco to release a kid if he wanted to transfer
from byu to Utah. Its just sour grapes to not unconditionally release the kid.
Lets not act like stubborn little children. For as many times
I've not liked something bronco mendenahall did, he's never once not
unconditionally released a kid who wanted to leave. Never. More coaches should
I am surprised he wants to transfer from a football angle. It remains to be seen
how good he is, but BYU is not a good place to compete at RB. But, as he clearly
states, its not a football decision, and that is pretty cool. Gotta love the
story about his current companion encouraging him to tryout for football, LOL.
As his mission president pointed out, he's a thoroughbred. Of course he
belongs at BYU!
It's hard for a state school to compete against a church school in a lot of
ways. It's disappointing seeing, though, that Langi, a talented, highly
recruited running back, is choosing a much easier road to pursue. Utah's
path is much more difficult, yet the PAC 12 would offer far greater rewards in
the long run. It would prepare him much more for the NFL, if that is what he
wanted to accomplish.Either way, good luck to this young man.
Glad to see Bronco trying to skirt the rules and mis-represnting them. The key
to the Riley rule is "enrolled", has nothing to do with an LOI.
He has the right to play wherever he wants.Who cares! I wish him
luck and hopefully we will welcome him back to RES with a thumping in 2016.Go UTES!
To me this is kind of crazy. I, like most of the guys on here, served a
mission. I don't know about you but I have never heard of a mission
president making serious moves for someone before an Elder got home, let alone
discussing these things without the parents approval or even knowledge. I think
the mission president was overstepping his boundaries by making these moves
before Harvi was even home to discuss with friends, family, and the coaches he
committed to. The guy still have 24 hours left on his mission, shouldn't he
still be focusing on the task at hand? Making a life changing decisions before
coming back to real life is never good. No matter which side your
on, you have to agree. Please let me know if you think I am wrong.
@David RIIf Whit does not respect this spiritual decision made by
Elder Langi, then he has revealed a character flaw. Especially when he went to
BYU himself.----------Whit's character flaw was
attending BYU, we've rehabilitated him since then.
Could it possibly be that there is something bigger or more important than
Who the heck does whittingham think he is? "As far as I'm concerned
he's a Ute." Big words. He sounds like a slave owner. This is why the
NCAA needs to be brought down a notch. When a coach can refuse to allow a
student to go to another university because he "signed" a letter of
intent (which it appears he never did with Utah), then there is a problem.
Student athletes have the right to leave and go wherever they want. If BYU
affords an environment that is conducive to what he wants, then no coach or
ivory tower (NCAA) has the right to hold him back. I have lost complete respect
"The young man wants to serve his Lord by attending his church's
school.""In blue he is representing ... his Lord."Pretty sure his Lord couldn't care less about any of this except that one
of his representatives hasn't learned how to honor his commitments -
or at least respect those who gave him an opportunity enough to speak to them
before abandoning his commitment to them.
BYU will counter that because Langi graduated early from Bingham and enrolled at
the U. in January. His Letter of Intent was either never signed or never filed,
therefore Langi isn't bound contractually to return to the U. BYU believes
such a loophole essentially makes Langi a free agent and fair game.--------------How are loopholes not against honor code living?
Where is the honor in finding loopholes to bypass commitments?As far
as Kyle, he just needs to cut him, let him go, and move on.
The kids deserve respect too. I strongly dislike the idea of him transferring
to BYU, but I also believe that he shouldn't be forced against something
that he now feels very passionate about. Football is awesome, but it isn't
the dominate force in the world. There are things more important. As far as
BYU goes on this issue, I feel they have tampered and this is just another sign
of the classless behavior that BYU is well known around the country for.
However, every man and woman deserve to make their own way and follow their
dreams. That is not something we should be standing in the way of just because
we love football.
I had a feeling this would happen two years ago (before Harvey left). Although
he is a talent and might have been used elsewhere, as far as being a RB, I
don't think Harvey would have had much playing time at Utah. Good luck to
him. Seems like a good dude.
Every college athlete should be able to transfer between schools at any time
they choose, scholarship or not.The NCAA is big and hot about not
allowing anything special to athletes that regular students don't have
access to as well. They are first, and foremost Student Athletes. Well, regular students can transfer any time they want. Athletes should be
able to do the same without the say of the athletics departments. This is
especially true if they haven't been at the school for things like missions
and military service, or if any coach they deal with directly changes who was
involved in their recruiting or previous play.Just my $.02.
Cheer up Ute fans. It is funny to see that the 'PAC 12 Proud' Utes
can lose to little/big brother. But the last time BYU 'stole'
someone, it was from Utah State. It was the best thing that ever happened!
I'd trade Riley for Chuckie any day of the week!
Leave the young man alone. Regardless where he chooses to attend school, fine,
because he's obviously a deep thinking young man. Actually, it sounds like
no matter the cheers or jeers he's going to do what he believes is right
for him. Class act. Congratulations. Missions have an incredible impact on young
men, women and the people whose lives they touch.
Coach Whit shouldn't release him! BYU never releases players returning
from missions. Just ask Jake Murphy.
You that are proponents of allowing an athlete to transfer at will. Are you
saying that you wouldn't mind if your star athletes were being constantly
recruited by Alabama, Ohio State and Oregon?Harvey, you should have
met with Utah officials and informed them of your intentions before going
public. Loophole huh?Let him go Whit...and wish him well.Go Utes!
311uteReno, NVFair question, reasonably asked.Actually, the church is asking young men and young women to apply to school
and receive a deferral so they don't have to worry about it while serving
their mission. Interesting connotations in this particular instance.However, mission presidents are very much proactive in helping missionaries to
make their post mission plans so they can step right out of their mission and
into a positive and productive life. The missionary who comes home to nothing
and has to start from scratch is more likely to get derailed. Again,
doesn't exactly apply here.But, to answer your question, it is
not unusual, and it is not wrong, for a mission president to act as this one has
been portrayed, and for a missionary to act as this one has been portrayed.I suspect he will come to the Y, released or not, let the consequence
follow. How that plays out is why they play the game.
Too bad. Good luck Harvey.
By the way, about sending Chase Hanson a message?I would think
recruiting Langi as a running back, then telling him when he comes back,
he's going to be converted to defense, would send Chase and anyone else as
clear a message as they need.
Wow, the mother's comments are interesting: "We're a Ute family.
We love Coach Whit. We love the U. If he wants to transfer, I'd rather he
transfer to Stanford. I just can't get used to the idea of Harvey wearing
blue and playing for BYU."Did she read her son's reasoning
for wanting to transfer to BYU? And if she did read this, or hear it directly
from her son, she still says this superficial garbage?? Sounds like mom need to
go on a mission--then she might understand.
Has Bronco ever prohibited a player from transferring to any school? What a
great window into a coach's integrity and concern for the players on their
team. Nuff said.
Bad recruiting decision by Whit. These kids are unsure of themselves at this
age. They don't want to go down an alley with no way out. If you make
players feel like they are in the USSR, it will not be a privilege to be on the
team, but a burden. Besides, do you really want a player whose heart is not in
the team concept? Or are you trying to scare the other players to not leave?
You will scare off more recruits than keep athletes that don't want to be
there.Rules for coaches 1. Don't rescind
invitations to play.2. Let them go if they wantWhit's line of talk should be on the level of "We would love to have
you on the team, but 10 other people who are talented and want to be here and
play in the Pac 12 are waiting in line, so I am not going to beg or even stop
you. We have a proud heritage and program here." He just made
the program sound desperate and unreasonable. Not a smart move.
Harvey has as much chance of playing at Utah as he does at BYU. It is the
intangibles that are found only at BYU that Elder Langli is seeking. Hope other
rm's and hs athletes can catch that vision before making the u mistake.
We now know that both bb and Fb programs at utah will stick it to
you, especially if you are LDS. Beware the ute!Thank you Bronco and
Dave Rose for having the character to put the young man's interests and
needs first. These are the type of men I would want my sons playing for.
@ sgLangi can leave. Nobody can force him to play for Utah.
Expecting Utah to grant a good player an unrestricted release so he can transfer
to our main rival is unrealistic. Utah has to look out for itself first.
One problem with everyone's arguments. It's about commitment and Utah
holding a scholarship. Remember he was never going on a mission until his
experience at the U and the support and encouragement of Whit. There is a strong
LDS influence both on the team and the Institute program that would give him all
the support he needs. Along with that, what happened to the idea of coming home
and using your influence for further missionary opportunities and sharing what
you've learned? Hide under a bushel or light on the candle?
Honestly, why would you want him to stay? I guess to see if he changes his mind
once he isn't in mission mode? Maybe it's the principal of the thing
i.e. byu poaching players during missions. But when has that ever really hurt
Story illustrates the strengths/weaknesses of Coach Whit. He makes cold, hard
business decisions on the field and off. Hence, he makes some good decisions
with whom and how to play. Leads with Vulcan idealogy. That comes back to
bite you because no one wants to play for the a cold heartless man.(I don't
mean to imply that this is completely his persona) But if this is his
appearance, he will lose players and have bad recruiting. The Utes should be
kicking BYU's rear with recruiting with their PAC 12 associations and lack
of Honor Code. "They are not." By the way, Bronco has
the opposite strengths and problems. The players love him, but makes stupid
decisions with whom and how he plays out of loyalty to individuals or his
word.(ex. Riley Nelson) He leads with his heart and gets him in trouble on the
field. (At least with the skilled offensive players) The heart thing works in
his favor on defense. Until these coaches temper their weaknesses,
true permanent greatness can't emerge. Utah/Whit can't afford this
in the Pac 12. Bronco to a lesser extent, but isn't immune due to ESPN.
The coaching staff invested alot of time and effort to bring Harvi to Utah. If
i were Whitt i wouldn't release him without a personal sit down in a
million years. I can tell you that I didn't send my bishop to turn in my
two weeks notice last time I switched jobs. If Langi gets home on
Wednesday and fall camp doesn't start for another month then he has plenty
of time to come home, talk to Whitt (which he ought to do and not be worried
about if he has the maturity of returned missionary) talk to Bronco, talk to his
family and make a well thought out decision.
If he wants to leave, so be it. If he can play immediately because of a
technicality, I don't see the problem. Jake Murphy transferred and could
play immediately because of a technicality. It goes both ways. Depending which
side of the fence you are on, it's good or bad. If he feels BYU is the
place for him, good for him. If he felt it was Utah State, more power to
him.I get the smack talk between the rivals, and using the teams to
do it...I don't like when we go after individual people, be it Langi,
Jimmer, Max Hall, Jake Murphy, Alex Smith or the coaches. It's one thing
to criticize their performance...entirely another to tear them down for our
selfish fan arguing.
Best of luck to Harvey wherever he goes. Living standards that are
forced upon you is much easier than living standards in the face of adversity.
A mission should have led him to embrace Utah as would Ammon, Paul, sons
of Mosiah, etc. etc. etc.
The piece of information that's missing here is that regardless of whether
Langi gets a release or not, he has to sit out a year. If he gets a release
from Utah, he has to sit out for 2014, but he can get financial aid from BYU.
If Utah refuses to release him, he still can transfer and would still have to
sit out a year. The difference is that he can't get financial aid from
BYU. There's no impact on BYU or BYU's football program. Either way
Langi isn't available to play until 2015. The only impact is on Langi.
Utah harms him financially by refusing to release him. That seems like an
awfully petty move on the part of Utah football.
Very disappointed in Whitt's reaction. I guess that is par for the course
from a coach who will kick an onside when up by forty.
Disgruntled"BYU never releases players returning from missions.
Just ask Jake Murphy."It's laughable that U have to make
stuff up to help you sleep at night. BYU didn't even have a scholarship
available when Jake returned home from his mission early, which was one of the
main factors that lead to him transferring to Utah.
Whit will be gone after this year and begging to get hired at the Y. So he
might as well release him.
The unofficial second recruiting period for LDS athletes strikes again.
Bummer...Good luck, Harvey. I hope you have a successful career -
except when you play the Utes!
Disgruntled, Jake Murphy never went to the Y.
Disappointed in the young man's mother's lack of respect for her son.
Her comments are not as cute as she may think.
Utah'95"The unofficial second recruiting period for LDS
athletes strikes again."And Utah doesn't recruit returning
missionaries? - See Jake MurphyLOL!The truth is,
there's absolutely no evidence that BYU contacted Langi during his mission.
The comments about Harvey's positioning are quite humorous especially at
the perceived depth at RB at the U. Harvey is either the second or third option
for the offense to go through next year. Whit is relying on his being back on
the team.At Utah Langi would be a starter. He was a starter on
special teams and played RB in garbage time before his mission. He would be the
first option for RB because the team HAS NO featured back. They ran the
position by committee last year.At BYU he would be a starter. BYU
needs sure-handed guys on kick returns, and Langi fits the bill big time. He
would also be the second string RB or even better, the starting
tightend/blocking back.Langi does not have to sit out anymore than
any Utah transfer post mission has had to sit out. He has not played for two
years. If Whit wants to burn a scholarship out of spite, its his choice. Whits
comments are going to cement in many recruits minds that Utah is not the place
for LDS athletes.
I will always be a U fan, I can't bring myself too cheer for the Y.
However, I applaud Elder Langi for looking at his life and fitting a lifestyle
that he will benefit from, that means more than team loyalty. Good luck Mr.
Langi and congratulations on your last two years.
killarney,I didn't say that BYU contacted Langi. I can see how
you might have read that into my brief post, but that wasn't what I was
getting at.The truth is that serving a mission is frequently very
influential in prompting students/athletes from leaving their prior school so
that they can attend BYU. As a lifelong LDS, returned missionary, and alumnus
of both Utah and BYU, I have seen it happen many times.I'm not
saying that there is anything wrong with it when returned missionaries migrate
to Provo rather than return to their former universities. But it is a factor in
recruiting that non-BYU coaches should consider when signing LDS athletes.Like I said, I wish him luck, but I hope that the Utes win when the two
teams play in 2016.
Timp"His mission president Mark Cusick is from Provo and is a
huge BYU supporter, so I wouldn't discount that potential
"influence" one bit."Did you even bother reading the
article before spouting off?"I'm actually a Utah grad,"
President Cusick told me [Vai]. "I actually don't care if he goes to
BYU, Utah or Stanford. As Elder Langi's mission president, I don't
even care if he plays football."
There's an old adage in pro sports. When someone lswitches teams and says
"It's not about the money" then you know it's ALL about the
money. The same principle is true here. If it were truly not about football,
why did he have meetings arranged with the Y's coaches before he left the
mission field? And why is Vai writing about Utah's coaches reaction? Why
are all the football fans of each school at eachmother's throats, U fans
saying we don't need him and Y fans chastising Whit and every other U
fan.It seems his mom is the only one that sees through this charade.
She knows it is ALL about football.
If Harvey Langi is able to transfer to BYU, I believe that the BYU coaches would
first look st him as a FULL BACK, similar to Harvey Unga. In any
event, it doesn't make sense for coaches to hold on to a player that
doesn't want to be there. It is not a good situation for the player or the
team. Too many college coaches take it personally, hurting not only the player
in question, but themselves as a coach, the team and the school.Best
of success this football season to Harvey Langi, BYU and the UTES.
125 comments over a young man's personal decision? Some of us need to
develop a hobby.
JohnInSLC,No, it is not all about football. The mixture of team
success, school environment and support factor into a more mature decision.
Coach Whit knows this little transfer is another crack among many in his future
at the U. If Utah loses more LDS recruits and BYU wins the instate recruiting
battle, Utah loses fan base and prestige.
Regardless of the reason if the kid wants to go elsewhere let him go. If someone
doesn't want to be at your school you don't want him there anyway.
Best of luck to Harvey where ever he ends up.
At the end of the day Langi was not going to be in the plans at the U. They
made that clear and that is a big reason why he decided to go on a mission -
probably hoping that things would thin out at RB before he got back. It
didn't happen. I heard that he struggled with reading holes and blocking
(run and pass). Things he was never taught at Bingham. My guess is he will go
to BYU and struggle there as well - he has always had a great frame but when you
are playing against players that are as good or better than you, you need to
prepare and be able to do the little things to get you on the field. In
Division 1 football you can't just rely on out running your competition.
Langi was a great HS football player...
@PG #1 Fan"BYU or Bronco would never do this to a kid."Heaps had to sit out a year when he transferred (the result for Langi if Whit
doesn't release him). So yeah, BYU does this too.
I don't like the idea of BYU forcing Utah to allow this young man to
transfer based on what sounds like a clerical error. That just doesn't
smell right and frankly it isn't the way an LDS institution should operate.
I also don't think BYU should encourage him to go against the counsel of
his mother. This is a case where some things are more important than football.
Unless the circumstances change, BYU should take a pass.
seems to be a lot of talk about letting players transfer whenever they want
just like coaches can. Do you really want players to be able to transfer any
time they want without losing any eligibility or any other type of cost to his
so called career? I think that would be caotic.
Whit cannot prevent anyone from leaving. The two options are:1. Release
Langi and he can play elsewhere immediately.2. Don't release Langi,
he can still transfer, but he has to sit out a year. Pretty much
every program uses option 2, including BYU. Option 1 is generally only used if
the first school has no use for the player, or if a school has over-committed
and has too many players on scholarship so they need to get rid of a couple
(top-tier schools seem to do this more often).
@Steven S. Jarvis"The comments about Harvey's positioning are
quite humorous especially at the perceived depth at RB at the U. Harvey is
either the second or third option for the offense to go through next year. Whit
is relying on his being back on the team."He's not
ANY option at RB at the U. Whit wants him to be a defensive end next year.
Somewhere lost in this whole discussion is BYU's Honor Code and all that it
stands for. We are constantly being reminded of the "higher law" that
students of that institution live as opposed to other, secular schools which
aren't as good because they don't live this higher law. Yet, this
higher law includes the integrity of honoring commitments. Langi
accepted a scholarship that could have gone to another, equally worthy, player
at the U. If Langi can pull out of it whenever he wants, isn't this being
very hypocritical? Or is BYU allowed to do this because they are allowed to
change the rules as needed as long as it benefits them?
Y Fan/Y Dad,You missed something somewhere. Harvey made the request
to be switched to defense not the other way around. The Coaches didn't
make that suggestion.After reading up on this issue and listening to
some of the radio shows I think Vai's column was a calculated move by a
media savy professional. He got negative responses from Coach Witt and
Harvey's Mom so he decided to put public pressure on both of them by taking
this issue public before it should have been. Insiders are saying there are
inaccuracies in Vai's column and that Harvey never intended to meet with
the BYU staff before meeting with Coach Witt. I think Vai has burned a few
bridges with this one and certainly hasn't helped the relationship between
the U and the Y.
This situation says more about Whittingham than Langi.
The Tribune confirmed that Cusick also contacted Utah coaches, requesting Langi
be released from his scholarship... Langi’s mother, Kalesita, was unaware
of the report until contacted by The Tribune on Monday and declined immediate
comment. -------------A BYU booster, who's own son
played at BYU, calling Utah to release a recruit? Nice, no wonder Kyle said
"take a hike".
Schnee: The issue is whether Harvey has to pay his own way for a year, not
whether he will sit out a year. Also, Heaps sat out a year because there was a
Senior quarterback in front of him and he didn't want to burn a year
waiting his turn. It had nothing to do with anything BYU did to him.
CO Ute says: "If a lawyer found a loophole to get a drunk driver released
you would be up in arms."I think we have today's winner for
"most absurd analogy." When Langi runs someone over and kills them on
the field, get back to me.Uteology says: "How are loopholes not
against honor code living? Where is the honor in finding loopholes to bypass
commitments?"Give me a break. It's not like Utah loses a
scholarship. You're implying that every scholarship athlete who transfers
is dishonorable or unethical. If your heart and mind say you should transfer,
you transfer. There's no shame in changing your mind.As a BYU
grad, I cringe at the implications that attending BYU is somehow an extension of
your mission, or that it's the best place for someone who wants to live LDS
values. That kind of bunk is what gives us a bad name. I welcome anyone who
wants to transfer, and hopefully it's not just Langi's "missionary
goggles" (a real thing, by the way) talking, but the idea he will
automatically be a better man at the Y is just embarrassing.
No sarcasm here just a question. If anyone has insight, please share. Being a
Ute fan, I know about the success stories of football players who have
transferred from the Y to the U. But are there any players that transferred the
other way and had the same success as a Star Lotuleili ? and Jake Murphy ? All
the football cards seem stacked against Langi. He has grown from a RB into a DE
or maybe an ILB. His success at Bingham was predicated on being a man among
boys and having a D1 line. The knock was his toughness and work ethic and this
proved true at Utah. I hope his new outlook on life serves him well wherever he
lands, because I'm not sure he will ever find it in football.
Everyone is assuming that every statement and every quote in this article is
100% accurate. That is not likely the case. Let's see what the actual
truth is over the next few weeks and give Harvey a break. He may change his
mind again, he may not. Best to him in either case.
Sportsdude"At the end of the day Langi was not going to be in
the plans at the U."Which, of course, explains why K-Whit was so
adamant about not allowing Langi to leave Utah.It's amazing how
little some posters actually think before posting.
@Schnee,When was the last time BYU used option 2 and didn't
unconditionally release someone? You wouldn't make things up would you?
Sounds to me like he really wanted to go to BYU in the first place, but
didn't want to cut his hair and live the honor code. Yes he can do those
things at Utah, but if he really wanted to go to BYU all along, I have no
problem with him leaving. Now granting him immediate football eligibility is
another matter. It sets a dangerous precedent if these athletes can just change
their minds and transfer where they want with no consequences despite previous
commitments. There is a reason for the rule. And I think Whittingham will not
release him on principle alone, and not anything personal or petty.
@GoRed"Yet, this higher law includes the integrity of honoring
commitments. Langi accepted a scholarship that could have gone to
another, equally worthy, player at the U. If Langi can pull out of it whenever
he wants, isn't this being very hypocritical?"---------------------------wow....talk about straining at gnats
but swallowing elephants. I don't know why ute fans are getting so up in
arms about this. I didn't read this level of disdain when Jake Murphy came
home from his mission and reneged on his commitment to BYU. Not only
did he renege, he bent the BYU coaching staff over the barrel by coming home
early without coordinating his plans ahead of time with BYU coaches to make sure
they'd manage their comings and goings of missionaries so that a
scholarship would be available. A scholarship would've been
available starting in January requiring Jake to pay his way only one semester
(not like the Murphys are paupers and BYU tuition is cheap) yet he couldn't
be bothered with anything as "trivial" as keeping a commitment. Had he
let BYU coaches know ahead of time a scholarship would've been available to
him.Typical ute hypocrisy.
We don't need Langi to win the Rose Bowl. We will just have to thump the
PAC 12 without him!Go Utes and Go PAC 12
@Gored"Yet, this higher law includes the integrity of honoring
commitments. Langi accepted a scholarship that could have gone to
another, equally worthy, player at the U. If Langi can pull out of it whenever
he wants, isn't this being very hypocritical? "-------------------Another thing, you're being overly
dramatic and grasping at straws here. Harvey's scholarship wasn't
"on hold" while he served his mission, it was given to another player
and one would be made available if Langi returned. Nobody is missing out on a
scholarship.If a student starts at one school pursuing a particular
degree but a year into it decides to pursue a different degree and switches to
another school with a strong reputation in that field, you're saying he
made a commitment to that first school and should be stuck there until he
graduates?That doesn't make a whole lot of sense and
doesn't happen in the real world. What about in the workplace?
Should you never quit your current job to progress in your career with a new
organization when an opportunity presents itself? After all, you did make a
commitment when you accepted employment. No common sense there.
@SlopJ30Uteology says: "How are loopholes not against honor code
living? Where is the honor in finding loopholes to bypass commitments?"Give me a break. It's not like Utah loses a scholarship.
You're implying that every scholarship athlete who transfers is
dishonorable or unethical. If your heart and mind say you should transfer, you
transfer. There's no shame in changing your mind.--------------I wasn't referring to Langi, I wish Langi well.
I think players should be allowed to transfer, I am even for players being paid.
It was for BYU, it was BYU that has the honor code. It is BYU that
was looking into "loopholes" to skirt on prior commitments. Just asked
where is the honor in that?
@uttology"Whit's character flaw was attending BYU, we've
rehabilitated him since then."I think you mean you've
"institutionalized" him since then.
Saw one reader's comment here about BYU not releasing a player. That never,
ever happens. Say what you want about Bronco, he's at least man enough to
let a player go when he makes that choice. The only reason that player has to
sit out a year at another school is that the NCAA has mandated it to be that
@uttologyWhoaaaaaa Nelly! The only mention about
exploring loopholes is by Vai and he doesn't represent or speak for BYU.
Asserting that BYU is exploring loopholes is purely speculation at this point
until we actually hear something from an authorized representative of the school
stating so.You should learn from the embarrassment that 1280 Sports
Radio caused themselves during Sockgate when they ran with their assumptions
before verifying anything.
Coach Whitt is a competitive guy, I'm sure after speaking to Langi face to
face he will release him if that is what Langi truly wants. Whitt needs to hear
it from Langi when he returns to SLC.Perhaps Langi feels he can play
RB at the Y. At Utah, he left as the 3rd string RB and would have return 3rd or
4th string initially if he hadn't grown into an OLB/DE size.Good luck to Harvey which ever direction he chooses. He's extremely
talented and can help either program.I hope Chase Hansen wasn't
also assigned to a Mission Pres. that is a Y fan. The influence of a Mission
President for a two year period is significant.
What do you expect Kyle to say? He is on vacation when he gets the call, he
knows he has to be politically correct. Good luck to Harvey, and I believe that
if he sits down with Utah and tells them he wants to leave, they will release
@uteology,His commitment to play for Utah was the same as your last
commitment when you started a new job.Have you ever switched jobs?
Did you lose your integrity by doing that?
Everyone is talking about how Langi would have to sit out a year, but
wouldn't he be allowed to play immediately because he already sat out 2
years for his mission? @Schnee said BYU was at fault for making Heaps sit a year
in Kansas, and someone else said he chose not to waste a year. I'm pretty
sure it was the NCAA transfer rules that made him sit a year, not the
schools.In the NCAA transfer rules, it says if you don't play
for two years, you can transfer immediately -- so other than Utah not releasing
him, why couldn't he play if he wanted to do so?
I must admit I love to see the angst from whittingham and the usual cadry of
utah "fans". Very funny stuff. That said the situation is
that Langi simply doesn't want to be at utah, he went there and learned
they do not give him what he wants in life so he prefers to leave. The angst
whittingham and utah "fans" are feeling comes from being rejected and
spurned, this makes them bitter, and it is amusing when they make comments about
him "not being a pac12 talent" or that they "really didn't want
him anyway", etc. All laughable assertions.When he chose utah a
few years ago utah "fans" were gloating over it, telling us how this
showed utah was now always going to beat BYU for recruits instate. Yet langi is
now leaving, to go to BYU, Hines chose BYU up front, and Chase Hansen is looking
to also be gone. Things just aren't what utah "fans" claim and
their backpeddling is fun to witness.
@BigCougarThe only mention about exploring loopholes is by Vai and
he doesn't represent or speak for BYU. Asserting that BYU is exploring
loopholes is purely speculation at this point until we actually hear something
from an authorized representative of the school stating so.--------------Are you claiming that Via didn't speak to
anyone from BYU before making the following statement:"BYU
believes such a loophole essentially makes Langi a free agent and fair
game."Then that calls into Via's integrity.
character flaw was attending BYU, we've rehabilitated him since
then."I think you mean you've "institutionalized"
him since then.-------------No, that happened when he
went on his mission.
For the utah "fans" whining and claiming theat the mission president was
acting without honor, that BYU recruited him on his mission, that BYu is acting
dishonorably, and all the other falsehoods boruhgt on by the bitterness of being
rejected, just stop, you are embarrassing yourselves.BYU did not
recruit him, he requested that his mission president contact BYU and utah. He is
not allowed to contact either of them himself while on his mission, his mission
president (a utah grad although he may be a BYU fan as that is pretty common)
just tried to help him facilitate his desires as any good mission president
would. That is not rare nor is it dishonorable. I doubt Langi plays
tailback for BYU, he may become a fullback, and most likely will wind up playing
defense, just like Chase Hansen will on his return and probable transfer.
@BigCougarI don't know why ute fans are getting so up in arms
about this. I didn't read this level of disdain when Jake Murphy came home
from his mission and reneged on his commitment to BYU. ----------The difference...* Murphy's freshman year wasn't
paid for by BYU* Murphy was not under a scholarship* A Ute booster
did not call BYU to demand Murphy be released
I'm neither a Utah nor a BYU fan (go Aggies!), but I found this paragraph
of the article very telling:"BYU will counter that because Langi
graduated early from Bingham and enrolled at the U. in January. His Letter of
Intent was either never signed or never filed, therefore Langi isn't bound
contractually to return to the U. BYU believes such a loophole essentially makes
Langi a free agent and fair game."Also RE: BigCougar:
"sockgate" (to use your terminology) is not over until the NCAA buys off
on BYU's "internal investigation" - depending on what the NCAA fact
checkers uncover (there are probably some significant reasons why the players
don't want to talk) the sanctions could be significant as well.Overall these episodes just confirms my impression of BYU sports: hypocritical
If Whittingham had not objected to Langi transferring to BYU, the comments on
the subject would have been less than a handful. Controversy attracts attention
which coaches and schools try to avoid.In all fairness, Norm Chow
was released by Whittingham to become coach at Hawaii before his contract was
up. A Number of coaches across the country including
Stanford,NotreDame, Colorado state etc.. released players to attend BYU. It is
no big deal unless coaches make it so.
Steven S JarvisOrem, UT"Anyone who claims that the on each
U offers the same sort of experience at BYU needs only to walk each campus and
take in the scenery. The U, while nice has a different feel to it. A lot of it
has to do with how the student body dresses. Some of it has to do with the
alternative lifestyles that were at every high school--the smokers, the hippies
and others."Nice, Steve...and I'll bet that you are the
first in line to call institutions / conferences "bigots" for not
inviting byu. It's hard to understand how some of you byu
people see yourselves relative to others. I am faithful LDS. The church I
attend doesn't teach that we are better than anyone. Why does this view
seem so common among byu faithful? My advice to Elder Langi...stand
on your own two feet. Take the initiative to communicate appropriately and
respectfully to all parties involved in your life decisions. Relying on others,
i.e., mission president and others (Vai Sik?) to communicate for you inhibits
your growth. Finally, uUnderstand and be willing to accept the consequences of
Imagine for a moment if you will a tribune writer who happened to be an ex Ute
football player flying to interview a Y football player at the end of his
mission, before returning home, and reporting that he was going to transfer to
the U. How would Bronco respond to that reporter? And would the reporter
represent Bronco by printing his entire response? How would Cougar fans
respond?I'm betting Coach Whitt said he isn't releasing
Harvey until he speaks to him upon his return home. Certainly, Coach Whitt will
release him from his scholarship, unless of course Harvey's mother
straightens him out first.Good luck Harvey, take a few days and make
the best decision for you and your future.
Uteology says: "It was BYU that has the honor code. It is BYU that was
looking into "loopholes" . . Just asked where is the honor in
that?"Your "just a" question is disingenuous. It's
dishonrable for BYU to potentially apply the rules to allow a player to play for
them, but it's not problematic for the athlete in question? If he's
enrolling in BYU, he's bound by the honor code, too. You don't believe
that.Some people's loopholes are other people's rules.
Overtly breaking a rule would be troublesome. If we had some evidence that a
Cougar coach contacted him during his mission, I would absolutely object. But if
a kid wants to play for you, and you have a way within the rules to let him do
do without sitting a year, of course you do it. I wouldn't begrudge a
BYU-to-Utah transferree doing the same.In general, I favor the
"sit a year" rule. Without it, each player is potentially a free agent
perpetually looking for the best "deal" he can get. But from a player or
team's perspective, if I can avoid it, of course I will.
311ute,I served in Dallas, Texas during 96-98 and my mission
president helped me apply to several Utah Schools before I got home because I
did not have the means to do it myself and I did not live in Utah at the time.
The same goes for missionaries today. The role of a mission president is to be
the missionaries spiritual leader to assist them in serving a successful mission
and assist them with returning home by setting goals and putting future plans
together when the time comes. You have to understand a mission president
usually only has an interview with a missionary once every several months so he
has to start earlier then you think.I would also like to challenge
your statement "before Harvi was even home to discuss with friends, family,
and the coaches he committed to." Who says he did not speak to his family
about this? I am sure that there were emails send back and forth about this
subject however Elder Langi is capable of making his own decisions.
Did no one stop to think that perhaps Whit would like to speak to the kid in
person before making a decision?
Elder Langi, listen to your mother!Go Utes!
UteologyThere's nothing sinister about a "loophole".
It's simply a legal act that isn't commonly used - like a Mormon
missionary who enrolled early without ever signing a LOI, which sort of makes
signing the LOI meaningless.Langi honored his original commitment to
enroll at the U, but he, like every other student in the country, has the right
to reconsider his decision after experiencing the school first hand.The hypocrisy being exhibited by the kids on the hill is laughable. We all
know there wouldn't be moment's hesitation to welcome with open arms a
prized BYU recruit who decided to transfer to Utah after his mission. In fact,
the same hill crowd would brand any BYU fan complaints as nothing more than sour
@duck"The angst whittingham and utah "fans" are feeling
comes from being rejected and spurned, this makes them bitter..." This statement explains why you are so negative toward the University of Utah.
When the PAC-12 "rejected" and "spurned" BYU, this made you and
some of the BYU fan base jealous and bitter.As a Utah fan, I hope
Harvey does what is best for him. BOTH schools would offer a path for success.
By the way, Whittingham and the University of Utah are both capitalized for
"I'm neither a Utah nor a BYU fan (go Aggies!)"Just
another BYU hater, who's still sore over Riley Nelson leaving the Aggies.
Harvey wanted to go to BYU pre-mission. He just wasn't sure if he
could/wanted to live the honor code and get the grades. Post mission it appears
he's prepared and wanting to live those standards.Coach
Mendenhall released 3 players this year alone-without hesitation. Two to Oregon
State. He has always allowed players to transfer if they feel it is best for
them. Coach Whit and Chow seem to be a little biased against their alma mater
and against their. Both allowing players to transfer anywhere but BYU. even
though as coaches they are not held to the same standard.The same
has happened in Bball as coaches have not allowed player to be released to come
to BYU ... Davis but Coach Rose is always willing to not mess a kids future or
financial stability just to send a message...
@uteologyAh the bitter rantings of a lover spurned.murphy actually signed with BYU, Langi did not sign with utah, so we'll
go ahead and split a hair just like you are disingenuously trying to split a
hair.murphy came home early from his mission without telling BYU
coaches he was coming home early. Why was that? Because he had already arranged
a transfer to utah with the utah coaches and instead of doing the honorable
thing and telling BYU he was returning early so that they could reserve a
scholarship for him he instead, along with his family and the utah coaching
staff, hatched a plan to come home without informing BYU so that a scholarship
would not be available and so that he could make the transfer to utah without
having to seek BYU's permission. That is dishonorable,
disingenuous, dishonest, and just plain wrong. There is the difference between
the two situations. Once sought to be sneaky and underhanded and one is simply
Maybe Harvi is just uncomfortable sticking with a coach and institution that
condones religious mockery-like fake baptisms in a foaming ice font???
Langi was a big time recruit and the U was pleased to land him. If he wants to
transfer to byu or anywhere else, so be it. Any speculation about Langi still
considering Stanford is absurd, as he can't qualify academically for
Stanford. Stanford has much higher academic standards than byu or Utah. There
is no comparison between the academic requirements of Stanford and the rest of
the PAC 12 and byu.My only suggestion to Langi is to man up and sit
down with Whittingham face to face and explain your intentions before having
meetings scheduled with another school. No need to have someone else take care
of your business.I have yet to hear a credible source of Chase
Hansen transferring. Interested to hear a credible source.Jake
Murphy's situation is completely different as byu didn't have a
scholarship for him upon his return nor was he on scholarship before he left.
Both Jake and Dale Murphy have stated many times that byu didn't have a
scholarship and he chose to attend Utah where a scholarship was available. byu
did not honor their commitment to Murphy with a scholarship upon his return.
The way Vai quotes Harvey's feelings about who he was before his mission,
and what he wanted from life and school after his mission was exactly how I felt
coming off my mission, and is why I attended BYU when I had opportunities at
other colleges (including Utah). Best decision for me, and as the years go by,
it becomes ever more meaningful.Kwitt only highlights the
differences between programs when he pops off like he is quoted as doing. Makes
me hope even more that Harvey chooses to come: Would rather pay his own way at
BYU than play on scholarship for Utah.
UtesBy5We know its tough on the Utah fanbase - just when you're
starting to feel all smug and full of yourselves, suddenly being rejected and
spurned like this is humiliating.No worries.Slap another
PAC 12 sticker on something and start looking forward to your annual,
season-ending pillow fight in the rockies.
i hope the best for Langi he will look great in blue go cougs
I'm sure once Whittingham talks to the young man face to face, his release
will be granted.@ TalkingsportsFans like your self make
it easy to dislike BYU; congrats.
@UteologyThe difference...* Murphy's freshman year
wasn't paid for by BYU* Murphy was not under a scholarship* A
Ute booster did not call BYU to demand Murphy be released------------------------------So, somehow in your mind if these
conditions exist then it's not a commitment? Any other miniscule or obscure
rules you have that either validate a commitment or unvalidate it? Lol! Regardless of the circumstances, a commitment is a commitment and
it's pretty hypocritical on your part to try and equivocate from that.
Bottom line is a bottom line. Jake committed to BYU and didn't follow
through on that. No biggee, he obviously changed his mind. It doesn't
matter if he had his fingers crossed behind his back, shook hands on the deal
with his left hand, had his eyes crossed when committing to Bronco, etc, etc.
@ Scenic view, (aka Rock Well)Just a RB who want to tranfer. Utah
will be fine without the young man. Yes, and you can slap on your no one wants
us sticker and enjoy the Beach Blanket Bigo Bowl. Now that Rocks.
golfrUteDuckhunter has already succinctly explained why BYU
didn't have a scholarship available for Murphy, and why Jake's
transfer was much more dishonorable, disingenuous, dishonest, and just plain
wrong.It's funny that we didn't hear any Utah fans
spouting off about Jake manning up and sitting down with Bronco face-to-face.
"Fans like your self make it easy to dislike BYU; congrats."You mean fans who are constantly pumping up their own team and pretending to
be superior, while constantly nit picking every thing they can think of about
their rival.Pot meet kettle.
The more comments I read on this article, the more I think Vai did this young
man a disservice by writing the story when and how he did. I loved
hearing Harvey explain himself, but by publishing the story prior to any
meetings with the coaches, or even before he gets home from his mission, Vai has
needlessly muddied the water for this young man, who by all accounts is making a
personal decision that is not based on sports. Nobody loves hearing
about great young athletes suiting up in blue more than I, but this story could
have waited a week.
Spokane:"Fans like your self make it easy to dislike BYU;
congrats." How interesting, I've thought the same about you and Utah
"fans" when you post. Pot, meet kettle.
@ RockwellI'll trust the facts as described by Dale Murphy
about the situation, not Duckhunters. If Duckhunter were to be correct, I would
chastise Jake Murphy for not manning up. The account from Dale Murphy does not
resemble Duckhunters version of the "facts."
The feeling is very mutual Ted! Keep up the good work!
@ WA AlumNicely done. Good comment and spot on!
@ WA_Alum&DadWell said. The timing of this has created much
more of a firestorm than necessary. While I would prefer Langi to remain a Ute,
if he wants to transfer for whatever reason, so be it. The timing of the
article is surprising and doesn't help Langi in his desire to transfer.Tough decision for a kid to transfer and rarely do transfers between
major programs go on to big success. I'm sure there are exceptions, but it
seems more often than not the transferring athlete gets disillusioned and
transfers again.I wish Langi success unless/until he plays against
First of all when an athlete decides he is done you need to let him go. With
this said, there should be some consequences from breaking a commitment. He
needs to sit a year just like everyone else. The other thing here is we are not
talking about a impact player here. He will follow in the footsteps of a
recently departed left handed quarterback. Remember Langi was a great high
school player in a very weak high school talented state. He needs to move
forward with his desires and have a lackluster career. Yes the same career he
would have at the U. Good luck Harvey.PS: Structure is in place at the U
also. You just need to be committed to live it.
WA_Alum&Dad,I agree 100%. This was a bad move by Vai and has
only served to cause more animosity between fans on both sides.
@UteologyThe difference...* Murphy's freshman year
wasn't paid for by BYU* Murphy was not under a scholarship* A
Ute booster did not call BYU to demand Murphy be released-----------------------No, it's not different. Jake signed a
letter of intent. That's a commitment he willingly entered into with BYU
but didn't keep and intentionally broke. Still, it was his
right and prerogative to change his mind, just as it was for Langi. I don't
see why that's a source of heartburn for so many. Seems pretty hypocritical
I say let him do what he wants. I grew up an avid Aggie fan, but was surrounded
by BYU culture and pressure on my mission, and my Mission President talked me
into transferring (no athletic purposes whatsoever.) It took me about 6 months
to realize the mistake I had made, and I transferred back to USU. No true harm
done. Harvey will do a lot more in his life more important than football. He
will also realize soon that BYU is just as worldly as Utah is. Neither program
will benefit or suffer much from this decision.
If Langi wants to transfer, I have no problem with that. The kid should go
where he wants to go. Utah has been the beneficiary of many players who have
switched commits or transferred from byu to Utah, and vice-versa.I
do have a real problem with Vai and Langi's mission president and the way
they have handled this. Langi isn't even home yet, and if I am not
mistaken, hasn't been released from his mission by the stake president and
is still a missionary living mission rules. Vai and the ML did him a real
disservice by doing what they did rather than let him get home and handle it
himself with his family. The transition from missionary to to real life is hard
enough without this additional scrutiny being placed on him by Vai's
"scoop".I really liked Vai because I believed it when he
said that the football players were his family regardless of where they played.
I thought he put the kids above himself, but that is obviously not the case.I hope Vai's ego doesn't hurt Langi in the long run.Good luck to you Langi!!
BYU and Utah are very different schools. I started out at the Y and ended up
graduating from the U and don't regret it for a second because the U was a
better fit for me. For me it had nothing to do with honor code and everything
to do with friends, location, and fit with what I wanted.It sounds
like the Y is a better fit for Langi. His statements in the article suggest
that he is a smart kid, mature beyond his years, and has thought this through.
We should all be grown up enough to support him in that and realize that this is
about more than football ... and that includes you, coach Whit.
One reader made a comment about no school competing academically with Stanford.
Although Stanford is clearly the top choice academically, the fact that BYU,
along with Cal, competes for a reasonable number of the same recruits indicates
the academics aren't nearly as far off as that poster would like others to
This is a high alert...Utes are at DEFCON 4
@ sammygBecause a 3 or 4 string RB is transferring? Please.....
2ferIt's interesting the panic and consternation a 3rd or 4th
string running back transferring to BYU can cause on the hill.Can't wait to see the utter terror Chase Hansen's transfer to BYU is
going to generate under the crimson bubble.
sammyg,FYI, DEFCON 4 is one of the lower levels of the defense readiness
condition. That is more than enough for the Utes when it comes to dealing with
anything byu. lol.
@golfrutemurphy didn't have a scholarship waiting for him at
BYU because he purposely didn't tell BYU he was coming home early from his
mission so that they could save one for him. It was an orchestrated plan by
murphy, his dad and the coaches at the university of utah. So sure jake and dale
aren't being dishonest when they say BYU didn't have a scholarship for
jake, the dishonesty comes in when they just don't say they orchestrated it
that way on purpose and with the full complicity of the utah coaching staff.
What kind of a navel-gazer does one have to be to appeal to his ~own~ old forum
posts as authority? Utah has "moved on" from BYU, so who cares if a
backup running back wants to go to the Y?
DuckhunterBYU and BYU's fans didn't make a big deal out of
Murphy's dishonesty, but the reaction of Utah fans to Langi's
announcement is only a small glimpse of the hysteria that would have ensued if
anything remotely similar were ever to occur with a Utah recruit.
So Jake dogged byu and then went undefeated against them. "I must admit I
love to see the angst" that is still displayed by the byu "fans".
@Schnee"Heaps had to sit out a year when he transferred (the
result for Langi if Whit doesn't release him). So yeah, BYU does this
too."Actually, that is incorrect. If a player transfers from one
FBS school to another, he has to sit out a year, regardless of if the program is
willing to release him or not.If Whittingham restricts Langi, he
will not receive a scholarship for one year at BYU. His ability to play
immediately or sit out a year has nothing to do with what Whittingham wants.
Whittingham's restriction impacts his ability to immediately get a
scholarship, not immediately play.So yes, Heaps sat out a year, but
it's not because of anything BYU did. That's simply what players have
to do. And Heaps had a scholarship during that year because BYU let him go
@Duckhunter"Jake Murphy was dishonorable, disingenuous,
dishonest, and just plain wrong.. sneaky and underhanded"What
were you just saying about the bitter rantings of a lover spurned? lolLangi should be able to play football wherever he wants to, and
I wish him the best. Let's be honest though, it wasn't looking like
he was going to be much of an impact player for the Utes. We've brought in
some great talent and it was looking less and less likely that he would have a
significant impact at the U, which no doubt factored into his decision.
Why do I doubt that if he comes from a ute family he just woke up one day
without any influence and decided to be a cougar. Sounds fishy to me..
If the kid truly believes that he needs to be around other people that live the
gospel in order to live the gospel himself I feel like that contradicts the idea
of going to a different state or country and teaching people that it is a
blessing to live the gospel even though they are surrounded by people that
aren't doing the same. I'm a ute and if he wants out let him out,
seems like a good kid and a good family so i wish the best for him. I'm
sure if he would have gone to either school he would have been the same harvey
langi.Sounds like mendenhall doctrine to me. Convincing a kid that he
can't live the gospel unless he goes to BYU.
@ phantombladeI'm not sure why so many people are upset about
this. Langi should go where he feels that he needs to. He has the potential to
be a solid player, but it's not going to break Utah, nor is it going to
push BYU over the top.
sg, you lost respect for Whit b/c of this incident. I lost respect for him when
he kicked an onside kick in the 4th quarter when his team was up by 40 pts.
Speaking of angst ekute, did you hear Elder Chase Hansen just got a new mission
president in the Australia Brisbane Mission? His new MP is Lon Henderson, father
of current BYU WR Kurt Henderson. You know, we started hearing
rumors about Harvey wanting to transfer last year and now we're starting to
hear the same rumors about Chase Hansen going to BYU when he gets home. If he
gets called to be an AP for Pres Henderson the last 4-5 months of his mission
you can start getting worried. Hoo-hooo
I realize that I come across as hypocritical at best when the person I am trying
to be struggles with the sports fan I have been for so many years, but a
thoughtful reading of these comments brings to mind what the doctors say,
"first, do no harm."I realize many of us get caught up in
talking smack, and just can't resist the opportunity whenever and wherever
it presents itself, but it just seems to me foolish to take pot shots at this
kid while he appears to be on his way out the door. Talk about burning
bridges!If you can't play nice for the right reasons, here are
some wrong reasons to still do the right thing. This is obviously a
"Utah" family, but if you smack him around too much, that could change,
for generations to come. In fact, is he not part of a broader, well connected
community? Enmity created now could become a huge cougar recruiting tool. Just
ekuteAs always, beating BYU is the #1 priority up on the hill.Remind us how many bowl games Jake got to play in.
In the end, this story will be more about Whittingham than Langi.
BigCougar,Why would I be worried? byu does not recruit LDS players away
from other schools while they're on their mission. If a person
feels that they need the "byu experience" after fulfilling their mission
that's fine.Notice that they don't transfer for football
reasons.How many non-LDS impact players have ever transferred to byu?
"How many non-LDS impact players have ever transferred to BYU?"Several, recently; dozens in the last 10 years.
DeepBlue,byu's bowl agreements are nice[smile, pat on the head].
ekuteUtah's "bowl agreements" are irrelevant, since the
Utes aren't good enough to qualify for a bowl.Dallas, San
Diego, San Francisco, Miami > El Paso
I think this young man should be allowed to play wherever he wants, as long as
he hasn't signed any obligation to prevent it.That said,
I've always honestly wondered about people who attend BYU who seem to think
that they need someone to be telling them every detail of how they ought to live
in order for them to be righteous. Harvey says that he wants to wear his hair
short. There's nothing preventing him from doing so at Utah or any other
school, so I wonder why he thinks there has to be a rule in order for him to do
it. Then he talks about how he wants to live where everyone else does the same
thing, but unless he plans on living in Utah Valley the rest of his life,
he's in for a rude awakening when he realizes that even within the church
there are a million different ways that people live, any of which may be
consistent with church teachings. If anything, I think it's more honorable
to live your religion without needing to be "compelled in all things"
and without needing social validation.
Rockwell,What's irrelevant are the schedules that byu plays to
fulfill they're irrelevant bowl agreements.
ekutePlease explain what's "relevant" about being a
perennial punching bag of a P5.btw, BYU played the #38 schedule in
2013, which was stronger than any schedule Utah had played in their entire
history, prior to 2013.Future BYU schedules include USC, Michigan,
Wisconsin, Stanford, UCLA, Notre Dame and numerous other big name programs.The SOS obsession on the hill has become nothing but a whiny excuse for
losing, it doesn't make U relevant.
Aggie238,Well put, but if Harvey desires guidance to keep him on the
straight and narrow we should respect him for that. Go Utes!
@RockwellPlease let us know the bowls in each city you reference;
that BYU has the opportunity to play in this year? Don't skirt the question
like you usually do; and don't jump in your time machine.anti
BCSRelavent = Beach Blanket Bing Bowl?To be reduced to
being locked into one of the lowest of low tier and pay out bowls in July must
be painful. Also, how many names to you and Rockwell post under?
The article points out that Langi did not disclose he was a d1 athlete to
anyone, the influence did not come from companions. BYU didn't make a big
stink when Murphry transferred after his mission from Byu to utah. Utah should
give Harvey the right to change his mind as well, with no repercussions.
Congratulations Harvey! Welcome to BYU!
@eckute"What's irrelevant are the schedules that byu plays to
fulfill they're irrelevant bowl agreements."-------------This most recently completed schedule was the 38th
toughest SOS according to Jeff Sagarin and a tougher schedule than most p5
schools (notable exception being the Pac10) including, believe it or not, a
tougher schedule than an SEC powerhouse like Alabama.BYU's
schedule was tougher than most of the Big10, nearly all of the ACC and much of
the Big12. The Pac10 was unusually strong last year, quite the aberration from
the norm. Utah's previous 2 seasons in the Pac10 they had weaker SOS than
BYU did last year so don't act like it's an every year thing that Utah
has such a strong SOS. The previous 2 yrs the utes SOS was in the 40's. For
once in your life you played a great schedule but lets get a little real about
it, the exception isn't the rule.Also, playing a top 10 SOS and
losing most of your games didn't get you anything except a whiney, crying
fan base because their schedule is too hard and the HC is on the verge of losing
his job. Congrats.
@bullsandwich"Let's be honest though, it wasn't looking like
he was going to be much of an impact player for the Utes"---------------------This is the most hilarious defense line that
I hear from bitter protesting ute fans and it is utter rubbish. This excerpt is
taken from the Utah Football website: "Heading into fall camp,
York is neck-in-neck with sophomore Harvey Langi as White's
backup...Langi's exceptional play in spring camp reminded observers of why
he was such a coveted recruit two signing classes ago. The 6'1",
228-pound sophomore with 4.58 40 speed will find his way onto the field far more
often this season than last, when he averaged 5.4 yards a rush on 13 carries."Harvey may have been the most improved offensive player during the
spring," said Whittingham of the former prep All-American."The truth is that he was absolutely being counted on otherwise Kyle
wouldn't have been so utterly shocked nor cared when he heard the news.
Kyle's initial reaction is the only honest response we've heard.
Harvey was a 4 star recruit and other Pac10 schools (notably USC) wanted him for
defense.But you keep protesting. Lol!
@Anti-BCS and eck ute"The SOS obsession on the hill has become nothing
but a whiny excuse for losing, it doesn't make U relevant"--------------At this point in the de-evolution, decomposition and
deterioration of the ute football program one single, solitary season with a top
10 SOS is all they have. Listening to them is like listening to the
booger-eating kid in 5th grade boast about how many kids beat him up that year,
gave him wedgies, de-pantsed him and pushed him into the girls bathroom and
flushed his head in the toilet.Yes eck, good for you (snicker,
chortle)....good for you.
Nice get Cougar fan. Try having your team beat Utah on the field.
4 of the last 4 and 9 of 12.That's gotta sting.
@BigCougarSo that means one of two things, either the utah people
themselves were overhyping one of their own players (frankly that should
surprise exactly no one) or else the utah "fans" are "frantically
and emtionally" trying downplay their former flame that jilted them and left
them standing at the alter.Both are probably true, Langi probably
isn't everything the utah media machine was trying to hype him into being
but he is probably a thousand times better than the bitter utah "fans"
are trying to pretend he is now that he dumped them like so much dead weight.
@BigCougarWhy are you calling others names who have a
differen't opinion? I thought that was against the rules, not to menition
that it's pretty juvenille. Also, while we are on the subject.
Who played the tougher schedule last year? Who won the head to head match up?
and who finished ranked higer in the Sagarin Rankings?
Most Ute fans like to talk sports and dog on their rivals teams. We keep
personal insults and name calling off the boards. Go Utes.
"Who played the tougher schedule last year? Who won the head to head match
up? and who finished ranked higer in the Sagarin Rankings?"Who
played in a bowl?btw, congratulations on finishing ONE PLACE higher
in the Sagarin Rankings.In the RPI Rankings (yes, they also have
those for football)BYU finished #47 with a #78 SOSUtah
finished #70 with a #11 SOSSorry to burst your crimson bubble,
but#47 > #70bowl > no bowlEnjoy your 11th
place SOS trophy
@ duckhunterPlease provide proof. You make quite the allegation
against Dale Murphy (widely known as a person of great integrity). Anxious to
learn the source of this information. Not innuendo, or hunch but verifiable
facts. @golfrutemurphy didn't have a scholarship
waiting for him at BYU because he purposely didn't tell BYU he was coming
home early from his mission so that they could save one for him. It was an
orchestrated plan by murphy, his dad and the coaches at the university of utah.
So sure jake and dale aren't being dishonest when they say BYU didn't
have a scholarship for jake, the dishonesty comes in when they just don't
say they orchestrated it that way on purpose and with the full complicity of the
utah coaching staff.
@54-10"Nice get Cougar fan. Try having your team beat Utah
on the field. 4 of the last 4 and 9 of 12.That's
gotta sting."-------------yep, you got that and
unfortunately there's nothing to be done about it for now.
After reading all the arrogant, whiny, jealousy-laced comments from Utah fans,
battering a kid who for whatever reason wants to go do a different school, one
has to wonder why any self-respecting person would ever want to be associated
with this fan base. And Aggie238, who are you to criticize another
for his choice? It doesn't matter why he wants to change schools, only
that he does.
I'll admit, Langi looked like a really good player at the time the Utes
landed him and I seem to remember some really bitter and jealuous byU faithfull
when they did. Unfortunately, it just has not translated to D1
Football....yet.I'm sure he'll make a great defensive
player at some point with his size and speed. He did play sparingly at the U and
was on scholarship, so it's pretty simple, he should have to sit out a year
at the Y and pay his way. Any questions?Good luck Elder
@golfruteThe dnews does not allow links but you can find it all in
the articles in their archives.murphy returned early from his
mission and did not inform BYU that he was returning early, that was verified by
dale himself. dale say's "it wasn't really BYU's fault, they
didn't know". dale took jake "directly up to a utah practice"
when he returned home from his mission which was also reported in the dnews and
confirmed by the murphies. whittingham said that he "didn't really get
to recruit jake before his mission because he committed to BYU early but was
glad he got to recruit him while on his mission". That recruitment on his
mission came about because the murphies contacted wittingham about a transfer,
once again before jake returned without BYU's knowledge. The arrangements
for jake to visit utah and commit to them were all made before jake returned
from his mission and the entire process took only a few days from the time he
returned.The murhpies don't deny any of this, they simply
don't talk about it.
@golfruteInterestingly everything the murphies and the university of
utah did in his situation are all of the things utah "fans" are crying
foul about in the Langi transfer. For instance contact was made by dale to the
university of utah. The university of utah then made contact with jake through
his mission president aknowledging interest. it was arranged for dale to bring
jake up to utah's practice on his return from his mission which dale did
and which has been reported multiple times in this paper. At which point he
recieved an offer from utah. He then informed BYU he was home and they were
caught by surprise with no scholarship for him at that point since he
wasn't supposed to return for several more months. He then signed with utah
after BYU gave him an unconditional release even though they could have refused
to do so. All a fella has to do is read the paper golfrute, and of
course not be blinded with crimson delusion.
Reading all these posts has me shaking my head and maveling at the u fans who
have "moved on" and put BYU in their rear-view mirror's. Really.......12 pages of comments, with most of them from ute fans? Bitter,
bitter and bitter.Try applying the same anology you are using with
Basketball. What about all those "scholorship" players who ran out the
door a couple of years ago? What about their commitment. Also, would
some u fan please tell me what is "illegal" about a loophole? You talk
as though that is against the law! A loophole is not illegal, if it were we
would all be in jail via our taxes.
@eck ute"Most Ute fans like to talk sports and dog on their rivals
teams. We keep personal insults and name calling off the boards. Go
Utes."--------------Hmmm...apparently ute fans like
naval vet, chris b, hedeghog, howard s, etc didn't get the memo.
"Chris BSalt Lake City, UTTold ya!Utah has proven
time and time again that we are a top 10 program in the nation.Little brother, see what 2 undefeated seasons, 2 BCS games, 2 BCS wins, being
worthy of a real conference, and having real athletes(not sunday school boys)
will do for you?tds was never in the picture. USC had a shot.Welcome Harvey!2:00 p.m. Jan. 8, 2011"That
was then...This is now..."Chris BSalt Lake City,
UTWe have a deep roster at running back, no big deal4:20 p.m.
July 7, 2014"hehe
@utahcountryute"I'll admit, Langi looked like a really good
player at the time the Utes landed him and I seem to remember some really bitter
and jealuous byU faithfull when they did. Unfortunately, it just has not
translated to D1 Football....yet.I'm sure he'll make a
great defensive player at some point with his size and speed. He did play
sparingly at the U..."He was a true freshman fresh from high
school, how many kids like that play a lot and make significant impacts one year
removed from high school?Also, he reportedly came back from his
mission weighing 250lbs but left weighing 228 lbs so it won't be that hard
for him to trim down to his pre-mission weight if BYU decides to redshirt him
and they use him like they do Paul Lasike and Algie Brown. At 228 lbs he is
listed on the Utah football website as having 4.5 speed with a downhill running
style so he has the potential also to be a faster version of Stanley Havili. I'm excited either way.
BigCougar,Yes, those Ute Fans that you mentioned are known for hitting
home with the byu fans but I don't really know them for slinging personal
insults. sammyg and a few others used to call me ikute, that just tells me that
I too am hitting home. I don't know what you mean by eck ute. Who
knows? maybe the council that Mr. Langi is seeking will lead him back to
Utes.Have a good day man...and, Go Utes!
DuckhunterHaven't you learned by now that Utah fans are
incapable of processing any facts that contradict their pre-conceived
crimson-colored biases?The very fact that BYU didn't have an
available scholarship awaiting Jake when he returned from his mission is proof
enough that BYU was blindsided by Jake's early return. Add to that, the
fact that Utah contacted Jake while he was still on his mission and had a
scholarship waiting for him as soon as he returned and there's no doubt at
all that Jake and his parents intentionally kept BYU out of the loop while they
were cutting a deal for Jake to transfer to Utah.
@anti BCSPlease explain what's "relevant" about being a
perennial punching bag of a P5.-------------You tell us,
your team went 2-5 vs P5 last year.Bronco has a losing record vs P5 teams.
@Eddie:"Reading all these posts has me shaking my head and
maveling at the u fans who have "moved on" and put BYU in their
rear-view mirror's. .......12 pages of comments, with most of them from ute
fans? Bitter, bitter and bitter."Uhhh Eddie, the answer is in
the title of the article: "Harvey Langi hopes to transfer from Utah to BYU
after returning from LDS mission this week". You see, currently, Harvey
Langi is a member of the University of Utah Football Team. This the reason Utah
fans are commenting on one of their school's football players. See how
that works? The article is a bit premature as he hasn't even
returned from his mission yet. Isn't it a bit strange that a reporter meets
with an elder prior to returning home? And BYU has already looked into
"loopholes" prior to Harvey stepping off the plane from his mission?
Imagine if the tables were reversed....Harvey, listen to your mom!
Also, speak with the 26 RMs on the Ute's roster. Good luck with your
Uteology"Bronco has a losing record vs P5 teams."But, Bronco has a break-even record versus PAC 12 teams.Versus PAC
12Bronco 9-9 (50%)Kyle 13-21 (38%)And let's not
forget that Kyle has gotten progressively worse; only 9-18 since Utah joined the
PAC: 4-5, 3-6, 2-7
@utesby5Actually Harvey returned from his mission yesterday
(Tuesday) morning. It's right in the article. Also in the article it states
Harvey called Vai on his mothers cell phone because his parents were then in
Florida with him picking him up. And of course BYU has already been "looking
into" it, they were contacted by Harvey's representative previous to
this, as was the university of utah, so naturally they are doing their due
diligence, once again that fact was reported for you to read.You see
for BYU to know he didn't sign they would have to have been A)
Told by Harvey's representative.ThenB) Called the
university of utah to confirm it.That's how it works. Then of
course the mission president (Harvey's representative) confirmed he had
contacted both the university of utah and BYU previously about it so absolutely
neither of them was surprised or uninformed.This stuff is all right
in the articles published by the DNews and the SLTrib. Anyone can read them,
they aren't hidden. I understand the bitter feelings but it
simply is what it is so you're going to have to deal with it.
Hey duckhunter,The article was published on Monday and Harvey
returned on Tuesday. The elder should have been able to return from his mission
before having contact with the media. I realize that his mission president, who
happened to have a son that played for the Y, made the calls to make arrangement
for a transfer. Seems to me that was an inappropriate step for a mission
president to take since Harvey's parents hadn't had a chance to
discuss it with their missionary son prior to him contacting both schools. LOL
Missionary parents obey the rules and avoiding distractions while a mission
president recruits a player.FYI, Chase Hansen happens to have a
mission president who has a son playing for the Y also..... Coincidence? I'm not bitter, I want Langi to attend the university of his
choice. On the other hand, your bitterness shows with every comment you post.Please don't attempt to tell me that the mission president was
acting in Langi's best interest without contacting his parents, I
won't buy that. It's obvious that his mother doesn't want to see
Harvey in blue.
It appears that utesby5 won't accept any facts no matter how much sense it
makes. But we must all remember....he isn't bitter! He wants this young man
to attend the University of HIS choice, but wants his parents to be consulted in
all things and listen to his Mother....what about his Father?
None of this will matter because no one is going to invite BYU and soon they
will just fade away!
@utesby5Harvey Langi is not a child, he is a grown man, it
doesn't matter what his mother wants it is what he wants. Harvey asked his
mission president to contact both schools which he did so yes he was
"looking out for Harvey's best interest" as any good mission
president should. Also once again Harvey called Vai from his mothers
cell phone so if you want to keep whining about it then blame Harvey and his
mother whose cell phone he used and who placed the call. Your claim that he
should have "been able to return" first is senseless since he is the one
placing the call.The article here has been updated if you just look
at the heading plus your post was from today and you wrote this "he
hasn't even returned from his mission yet" when in fact he returned
yesterday. I went with my mother to pick my brother up from his
mission in Australia and he was with us touring the country for 2 weeks before
he ever came home. He used our cell phones to call all kinds of people during
that time and why not, his mission was finished.
@eck ute"Yes, those Ute Fans that you mentioned are known for hitting
home with the byu fans but I don't really know them for slinging personal
insults. sammyg and a few others used to call me ikute, that just tells me that
I too am hitting home. I don't know what you mean by eck ute."-------------Ahhhh....the ol' double standard, aka the ute
two step. So, to make sure I'm understanding you correctly, when it comes
from a BYU fan it's a personal insult but when it comes from a ute fan then
it's "hitting home"? Matthew 7:3 & 5 3
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but
considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?5 Thou hypocrite,
first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to
cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.When it comes to
hurling personal insults, I'm sure I don't know what you mean, but it
sounds like whatever it is, its "hitting home".
@DuckhunterGood thing utesby5 is "not bitter". With rumors
swirling now about Chase Hansen wanting to transfer also to BYU after he returns
home from his mission, I'm sure utesby5 is going to be just as "Not
bitter" then as he is now.
Cabin Fever 1:36 p.m. July 9, 2014Thanks for the research.
That's priceless. Not surprising, but priceless...And laugh out loud funny.
@Rose Bowl "#47 > #70bowl > no bowlEnjoy your 11th place SOS trophy"Which trophy are you enjoying
from last year, the getting beat by the Utes again trophy, or the getting
smacked by a middle of the road Pac12 team in your bowl game you earned mostly
by beating bad teams trophy?lol
@utesby5"I realize that his mission president, who happened to
have a son that played for the Y, made the calls to make arrangement for a
transfer."It's interesting how "selective" you are
in citing the above "fact", while completely ignoring this little
gem:"...fingers will be pointed and accusations hurled at
Langi's mission president, Mark Cusick — did he "recruit"
Langi to BYU?"I'm actually a Utah grad," President
Cusick told me. "I actually don't care if he goes to BYU, Utah or
Stanford. As Elder Langi's mission president, I don't even care if he
plays football."It seems that Langi's mission president was
simply looking out for the best interests of his missionary and was only acting
in accordance with Langi's wishes.To assume that Langi
hadn't already shared his desires with his parents is ludicrous.At least Harvey has been up front about it with both schools, instead of
blind-siding Utah, as Jake Murphy did BYU.
truthsandwichOnly a desperate Utah fan would try to claim that
winning a non-existent SOS trophy is better than going to a bowl.btw, BYU is 4-5 lifetime against that "middle-of-the-road" PAC 12 team
(which, incidentally, finished #25 AP, #26 Coaches).The Utes, on the
other hand, are 0-8 lifetime versus the Huskies.Enjoy your
pillow-fight-in-the-rockies "bowl", it's the closest you'll
get to a bowl this year, since you ran away from your September bowl with BYU.
WhatsnuSandy, UT"Enjoy your pillow-fight-in-the-rockies
"bowl", it's the closest you'll get to a bowl this year, since
you ran away from your September bowl with BYU."I don't
know where you people get this stuff. It's embarrassing for you. I guess
it's easy to forget the promises made by kvn prior to byu taking the field
against Utah the last couple of years. It's easy to forget that last year
byu scheduled a strategic bye before the Utah and Wisconsin games (an
ineffective strategy) and pulled out magic uniforms for their game with Utah
because that's what they did the last time they beat Utah in OT (when was
that??). All Utah did was show up to LES and have their way with an
inferior team. Playing byu is certainly not Utah's bowl. Given the
importance byu put on last year's game, it meant everything to byu and
resulted in an epic failure.
Pillow-fight -in-the-rockies(2 P5 schools)>pillow-fight-in-Miami(2
Harvey is home from his mission people.
"Pillow-fight -in-the-rockies(2 P5
schools)>pillow-fight-in-Miami"Only to a deluded Utah
fan.Two bowl opponents > two regular season P5 bottom dwellers.
@ Whatsnu"btw, BYU is 4-5 lifetime against that
"middle-of-the-road" PAC 12 team (which, incidentally, finished #25 AP,
#26 Coaches). The Utes, on the other hand, are 0-8 lifetime versus the
Huskies."This is a horrible argument. Why would wins against UW
in the 80's and 90s, or even the narrow win over 0-12 Washington have any
predictive value if BYU could compete in a P5 conference?
3 gallons of LaVell's Vanilla at the BYU Creamery says that the 2 P5
schools would beat the 2 irrelevant schools, head to head.
2ferWhy would a couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons have any
predictive value of Utah's ability to compete in the PAC 12?4-5, 3-6, 2-7 = 9-18 overall is of much greater predictive value than one
upset over Alabama six years ago.btw,Bronco is 2-1
versus WashingtonKyle is 0-2 versus Washingtonbut, nice try
with your 80's and 90's spin
@ ekuteOn neutral fields, I'd take that bet. BYU, w/ a better D
and a similar O will beat Colorado (since we can't get out of our own way
when playing Utah, bigtime mental game) and UCF or whoever is the AAC contender
for 2014 will outplay the UofU.Let's change the 3-gallons to
the "Woosh Cecil" flavor though. Tastes good.Go BYU.
"Bronco is 2-1 versus WashingtonKyle is 0-2 versus Washington"whats:More pertinently, Kyle is 7-3 againt Bronco.But, nice try on your "forget-the-head-to-head" spin.
@ WhatsnuThat's a great straw man argument. I never mentioned
Utah's 2008 season or the Sugar Bowl, but I agree with you. That season
has no predictive value for what Utah will do in the PAC-12. Utah is struggling
now, but things can change quickly in CFB. For example, one of the UW teams
Bronco beat finished 0-12, but now their program is much better than BYU. Utah
is putting a lot of resources into it's athletics department, and I am
optimistic that wins will follow the investment.Also, I noticed that
you decided to ignore my question. Why would 4 wins over UW spanning from 1985
to 2010 indicate that BYU could compete in a P5 conference?
"More pertinently, Kyle is 7-3 againt Bronco."You need to
work on your maths because Bronco and Kyle have only been head coaches 9
seasons.It's actually Bronco 3Kyle 6but, overallAP Top 25 FinishesBronco 4Kyle 211+ win, Top 15 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 1Conference
ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle 1Bowl GamesBronco 9Kyle 7Bronco has more 11+ win, Top 15 finishes since 2006, than
Utah has in its entire history.And, as usual, BYU will be a regular
on ESPN this coming season, while most of Utah's games are shuffled off to
the PAC net.btw, why would Utah four-game winning streak over BYU
have predictive value for Utah's competitiveness, or lack thereof, in the
PAC 12.It's funny that you completely ignored Bronco's 2-1
and Kyle's 0-2 record versus Washington, and Bronco's 9-9 record and
Kyle's 13-21 record versus PAC 12 teams.It's laughable how
Utah fans nit pick every BYU win, but completely ignore those same types of nits
in Utah's wins, for example, Utah's wins over weak PAC 12 teams.Kyle has never won a PAC 12 road game versus a team with a winning
Oh and utesby5, have you ever heard of email? Guess what? Missionaries use it
all of the time, it is how they write to parents, friends, and family these
days. My nephew in Africa sends us all emails once a week. So if you really
think Harvey didn't email his parents with his desires then I've got a
bridge to sell you. Considering this has been speculated for at least a year
publicly and even people like myself, who don't even know the Langi's
and have zero contact with them, knew this was coming then it is pretty hard to
believe his parents were blindsided with the news. Also you keep
saying that the mission president never contacted his parents, only BYU. How do
you know that? It doesn't say it in any of the articles and no one has
claimed that. That is just you making stuff up in the hopes of maligning the
mission president, who attended utah by the way and claims to root for them. Really you just need to give it up because what you are claiming has no
basis in fact and is actually false based on the articles.
And yes utesby5 you are bitter, it is apparent. You have been jilted, spurned,
rejected, and you feel all of those emotions. You'll eventually get over it
and your life will certainly go on. The fact is that BYU has done
nothing wrong, and certainly nothing that rises to the level of the university
of utah and the murphy's. And you need to get used to it because the odds
are pretty good it is going to happen again with Chase Hansen. And guess what?
It isn't because some nefarious mission president and mission companions
are "recruiting" him, just like they didn't with Harvey. It is
because Harvey decided he didn't want to be at the university of utah, he
didn't want to be there, and if Chase Hansen transfers it will be because
he decided the same thing, they are men capable of making their own decisions in
life.Harvey didn't want the influence at utah in his life, and
who can blame him? Anyone that has attended a game at res knows what it is like,
it is a cesspool at times with some pretty lousy individuals. He wants something
Can I get, "Brain Washing" for $500, please?Seriously, I
hope that once Harvey has been removed from the "mission high", he will
come to realize that, whether your hair is long or short, whether there's
an openly celebrated and promoted "Honor Code" or not, at the end of the
day, none of those things should matter. At all. What should
matter, is whether Harvey is a genuinely good person, especially in his own
mind. All it takes is treating others with respect and love, which has
absolutely nothing to do with the length of his hair, or following a certain
institution's code of conduct.It will always be his own
perspective, his own reality. Nobody should push guilt on the kid for wearing
long hair, or try and convince him that the only experience should be the
"Honor Code" way. His own personal "Code of Conduct" is the
only code that should matter.
@Whatsnu"Only a desperate Utah fan would try to claim that
winning a non-existent SOS trophy is better than going to a bowl."I didn't. I'm pointing out the irony of bragging about a bowl game
in which you took a beat down from a team that went 5-4 in the Pac 12. Thank you
for bringing up Washington's final ranking, #25/26. It says a lot about
the Pac 12, and the difference between the Ute's and Cougar's
schedules. You aren't alone. A lot of coug fans are desperate
in the search of something to console them after losing their fourth straight
truthsandwichThe only thing desperate over these 270 some comments
is the underlying theme of one fanbase trying to convince themselves that
Langi's departure doesn't mean anything.I'll give you
one guess as to which fanbase is having heartburn and is still trying to console
themselves after going 4-5, 3-6, 2-7 in a conference they can't compete
in.And you're here telling 'us' something? That's funny and 'frantic and emotional'.
@ Go Utes! Go Yale!:"His own personal "Code of Conduct"
is the only code that should matter."I guess that negates the
Ten Commandments. In life, we rarely get to negotiate the codes we live by, we
only decide whether to adhere to those codes or not. Langi freely decided he
wants to live by BYU's honor code. He knows that will be easier for him if
he attends BYU. If a student- athlete does not want to abide by that code, and
you know it is about far more than his latest haircut, perhaps another
university is a better fit. But you are correct, it is an individual's
decision. Unfortunately, many posting comments and Coach Whittingham don't
respect this individual's choice.
adelmanprovo, UTWhittingham isn't going to release him because
that sets a terrible precedent for all future missionaries. Also,
this article hints that since he never signed a LOI, BYU might be able to fight
Whittingham's decision. I doubt BYU really thinks they can fight this
unless they are completely clueless. He PLAYED a year for Utah, which is much
more binding than a LOI. If Langi does end up transferring, he will definitely
have to sit out a year. If he doesn't get released from Utah, he will have
to sit out a year AND he cannot be on scholarship for that year.Finally someone who gets how things work.To all the Y fans who pay
attention to anything said by C.B. shame on you...
@me myself and iExcept that everything you are claiming is wrong. Do
Schools shouldn't be able to recruit during missions like BYU always does
like how they got Riley Nelson. It is so wrong.
Releasing a young man from his scholarship does not allow him to play right away
at another Division I school. It has nothing to do with if they release him.
Releasing him allows him to receive a scholarship from another school, that is
it. The NCAA determines if there are existing circumstances that allow for the
waiver of the one year rule, not the team he was with before. The reason Langi
would not have to sit out is that he has been sitting out the past 2 years
already. Even if Whit won't release him, he can go to be BYU as a walk on
and play this year, period and Utah and Whit can do nothing about that. He
would just have to pay his own way.
Not an honorable written piece at all. I typically enjoy the authors work. This
time, not so much.
Some sources indicating he'll go back to Utah.I hope he
@ BoringGuyIt is wrong... but not when BYU does it 'wink'
The fact that an announcement of his transfer to BYU has not been made leads me
to believe that he is returning to Utah, albeit total speculation on my part.That being the case, I wonder how he will feel about playing in front of
fans that really don't want him at Utah or don't think he is good
enough to play there - as evidenced by many, many posts on this article.Utah fans are the most classless ever.Whatever Harvey's
decision is, I wish him the best.
Lots of typical misinformation from the BYU haters, but BYU did absolutely
nothing wrong in this situation.It was Harvey who made the decision
and initiated the contact with BYU and Utah through his mission president and
there's nothing wrong with that.Every missionary, athlete or
not, makes plans for what they're going to do when they return home from
their missions. Those plans often involve plans for college, including
transferring from the college they attended as a Freshman to another college.Why do the haters have to pretend that there's something wrong with
@Boring and Two For Flinching,Who says BYU recruited them on their
missions? Let me guess, if a player transfers to Utah on his mission
(hypothetically) it's because they made up their mind to. If a player
transfers to BYU it's because BYU was unethical and found some sort of way
to contact him and guilt him into transferring. Sounds like it to me.
At this point I can't decide which outcome will bring me more laughs and
amusement. If he comes to BYU the utah "fan" reaction will probably be
even more hilarious than the speculation reaction has been, but if he stays at
utah we are then going to hear about how great he is and a million other
contradictions and funny pieces of hypocrisy. Frankly either is a win but the
truth is it has already been a win. I can't remember the last thread that
was this much fun.
I'm a Ute but I believe in Freedom!Coaches can change schools
and sign big contracts anytime they want. It is hypocritical to have a
different rule book for players.While some athletes at Utah can
thrive under a diverse culture without getting sucked into the pitfalls of the
world there is for sure a ton of value in being surrounded by other people who
are trying to live life to a higher standard.And really that is what
makes Utah (the State) awesome. If Utahns didn't think so they
wouldn't live there.
Yes, several days have passed with no update RE the Langi transfer, leading to
the possibility that Harvey may be reconsidering.Personally I hope
so.I also hope that when/if he takes the field in Red our Utah fans
will in fact cheer his decision and show some love and support for his
reconsideration.What a great message to our Blue friends that the U
family understands the environment he was in, and that it's ok to listen to
his family and his U advisors and keep his commitment.He can be as
Blue as he wants to be while he attends the U; in fact we have tons of Jews,
Gentiles, Muslim folks, and other denominations of People of Color on The Hill,
along with a Rainbow Family on our football team. In fact, I'd
like to see a Standing Ovation the first time he goes into a game. What a great
message that would be to Harvey and his family.---- To many U folks
this issue isn't about Harvey. He's the victim. It's really
about poaching, and Following The Rules.Go Utes!!!!!!!
DrUte"To many U folks this issue isn't about Harvey.
He's the victim. It's really about poaching, and Following The
Rules."LOL at your bitter jealousy; you'd have nothing but
praise for Langi and the Utes if the situation were reversed.
@ Authority: We're waiting for BYU's announcement confirming that
he's transferring.FYI - some local blogs are reporting
he's staying with Utah.Hate to spoil your day. :)
@ "Authority" --- amusing.Let's examine the logic.If the situation were reversed, would any team's fan suggest a
potential violation of NCAA rules to the extent that the player's original
team would risk NCAA sanctions? Not likely.Couple that with the
fact that Harvey's skill set, while previously notable, is not so extensive
that his participation would tilt either team, the U or BYU, into national
contention, and your concept of 'bitter jealousy' is laughable.Note that both the Y and the U have been silent on the situation since
Harvey has returned, loose cannon Cusick is now under control, and we can assume
Harvey is currently decompressing with his family, very likely contemplating
Damage Control.And finally, with a Compliance section of five
full-time staff at the U, the odds are extremely unlikely Dr. Hill & Coach
Whitt would purposely pursue a similar path if the situation were reversed, so
we can pretty much dismiss your assertion.Couple this with the
currently pending Busby controversy and this is the last thing the Y needs in
terms of adding to their PR troubles. How's that logic work for
DrUte"Yes, several days have passed with no update RE the Langi
transfer, leading to the possibility that Harvey may be reconsidering."I've heard that Harvey is already enrolled at BYU. He doesn't
need Utah's permission to do that or to play for BYU. The only thing he
might need from Utah is to be released from his scholarship so that BYU can
offer him a scholarship.
According to my credible sources he is listed as a BYU student, or at least
accepted as one. It doesn't mean he can't change his mind, but it
looks like he has made his decision.
@ DuckhunterHow am I worng? Langi played at Utah, enrolled full time
etc. Its not like he didn't sign his LOI and red-shirted and took less than
12 credits. He will have to sit out unless released by Whittingham. Unless of course you're saying people should listen to what C.B. has to
@me,myself and iThis is really simple so follow along. It
doesn't matter if Langi enrolled and played if he did not sign his LOI he
is free, it is as simple as that. That is the rule.Do you need to be
shown some precedence?Does the name "Josh Sharp" ring any
bells? Of course I cannot post a link but you can look this up if it hasn't
already jogged your memory. Josh Sharp enrolled and played for utah before his
mission. He was also an early enrollee and did not sign his LOI. When he got
home he decided he was going to transfer to BYU and krystkowiak howled like a
stuck pig about it. But because Josh had never signed an LOI there was nothing
that krystkowiak, hill, or anybody at the university of utah could do about it.
Same situation, it just happened a couple of years ago, same result.You can whine and cry and pronounce yourself correct all you want to but the
simple fact is that you are wrong, Harvey does not need to get a release. That
is just the way it is. lol
@druteExcept that utah more than tampered with jake murphy so your
point is just plain false. Oh and it appears Harvey has already enrolled at BYU,
we'll see if he follows through but he is now an official student.And BYU couldn't care less about what you think about them or their so
called "PR troubles". lol
@ Oatmeal:"I guess that negates the Ten Commandments. In life,
we rarely get to negotiate the codes we live by, we only decide whether to
adhere to those codes or not."Your statement reeks of religious
bias. What about the students who don't believe in the Ten Commandments?
What about the students who don't believe in the "Honor Code"? You
basically just reiterated my statement without realizing it: that adhering to
any code of any sort, is a personal decision. Personal. Not what "The
Church" says. Not what the Pope says. It's what Harvey says, when he
wakes up and puts on his pants every day. Thinking for yourself, what a novel
idea! Give it a try sometime, it's quite empowering!
@goutesgoyaleUh....Harvey is "thinking for himself". He has
listened and decided on his own that what he will get at BYU, namely a code to
live by, is what he wants. If you are an example of what you consider
"thinking for yourself" then I would say Harvey has obviously made the
@DuckhunterThanks for the education. I wasn't howling or
complaining about anything, just wasn't aware of this loop hole. Like
I've said in other posts I wish Langi the best wherever he ends and unlike
a lot of Ute fans I know and will acknowledge the caliber of football player the
U may lose.
When I first read that Harvey was leaving the U of U for BYU I was frustrated.
Then I did not hear anything more for a while and I settled down a little. Then
I started to read some of the comments about not recruiting LDS players. Then
my blood pressure began to rise again. Does religion always have to get into
this? One of the smart things that coaches after Wayne Howard did was go after
LDS kids and work with them. Do these people know this? Do these people
realize that there are as many LDS kids at the U as there are at BYU? Yes,
there are a good number of non-LDS kids at BYU. The real question is was there
tampering? I really don't know. Does the kid have a right to go where he
wants? Yes. Am I sorry that he may go to the Y? Yes. This is a lesson to the
U that you always need to do things right else you run the chance of this
Duckhunter,Unless Harvey changed his name, he isn't registered
"Unless Harvey changed his name, he isn't registered at BYU."Harvey isn't his actual first name. He is registered at BYU.