To "Schnee" no it doesn't. You pick up the kids, clean them off,
get them a good meal, then send them back to their country of origin if they
will tell you what country that is. If they won't tell you what country
they came from, you ship them back to Mexico since they theoretically they
shouldn't have crossed the border if they were in Mexico legally.
@Redshirt1701"Now, these kids are being sent here without their
families and you are doing nothing. If you truly believe that their families
should not be broken up, send them back to their home countries as fast as you
can."I have no issue with that, I'd note though that that
requires figuring out who in the world their families are and the logistical
means of getting them there. Those things take time.
@wrzI suppose if not soaking up every Consperecy theory that comes
along makes me naive then I guess I am guilty as charged.
@Tolstoy:"wrz...again we are not talking about just opening the
borders and allowing illegal immigration..."Oh, but we are.
Men, women, and children are coming. Take a look at the pictures in the DNews.
The border patrol takes them all, fingerprints them and dumps them off at a bus
station to be bused to someone they claim is a close relative, never to be seen
or heard of again. A bogus ID and, voila, amnesty. That's all they want.
They don't want citizenship. And of course, they will exercise voting
privileges since Obama does not require voter ID."...we are
talking about a specific group of refugee children and women fleeing
violence."You'll believe anything anyone tells you,
apparently. How did you find out they were fleeing violence? The fleeing
illegals said so? How do you know the coyotes and not telling the illegals what
to say to the border patrol? They're probably not even from Central
American countries. They're probably all Mexicans claiming to be from
Central America to get around our laws.Some people are fairy naive
to believe everything they're told... especially from law breakers.
@wrz again we are not talking about just opening the borders and allowing
illegal immigration we are talking about a specific group of refugee children
and women fleeing violence. Once again not everything is so easdy reduced to the
same old reasoning.
Earlier this week, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto and Guatemalan
president Otto Perez Molina held a joint press conference to formally announce a
new program that will allow Guatemalan citizens to legally travel through Mexico
in their effort to enter the United States illegally.Not only is
Mexico holding our Marine hostage, they are laughing at us.
Stop using the word "humanitarian" and that we're all bad people
for wanting to address this issue.Not everyone can live in this country.
And by taking an emotional stance, and using the media to say THINK OF THE
CHILDREN, you're not addressing the problem and the flood gates are
wiiiidde open. I know a man who lives here illegally, and once this
happened, he had his wife and kids come over free and clear. He said it was the
easiest thing ever. Our govt needs to get tough and take a step back and
@Tolstoy:"So because we are a safer opportunity then other countries
closer that have their own issues with violence and extreme poverty this is
liberals faults?"We can't let the entire world's
population of poor and needy into this country... simply because there are
hundreds of millions. I guess we could, but we'd end up as poor and needy
as the countries from whence they came.So, the reasonable approach
is to require all who wanna come to sign up and get in line... and for sure not
cross in front of the potential immigrants who are doing it the legal way. We
love and welcome those who honor our laws, and hate those who break our laws.
Doesn't matter if they are children or not. Minor children should be
returned to their parents. And if their parents are here illegally, they should
all be sent back to their countries of origin.The bottom line is
simply... illegal immigration must be stopped or it will continue on for decades
to come. And we will get the bad (ie., Muslim jihadists) with the truly
distressed and needy.
@lredshirt Those fleeing violence should be given refugee status so they
can receive the appropriate services, including reunification,they need and also
to insure the burden is cared by the international community and not just the
US. @lost in DC So because we are a safer opportunity then other
countries closer that have their own issues with violence and extreme poverty
this is liberals faults? I am actually all right with that.
@wrz:"The answer to the problem seems very simple... ask them for
their citizenship papers showing from which country they came."The illegals probably don't have a scrap of paper of any kind on them.Furthermore, no one can talk to them to find out anything about them.
Not the media. Not US Congressmen or Senators who go there to see first-hand
what's going on. No cell phones or cameras to take pictures. No one can
even talk to the border patrol agents who took the illegals in or the medical
personnel who treat them for possible health problems.There's
the Barack Hussein Obama 'most transparent administration' for you.
And why is there such a information blackout? Easy... so no one knows for sure
where these illegals are coming from... Whether they're are truly from
Central America or whether they're just coming from Mexico.
"Why thousands of migrant children are crossing the U.S. border
alone"The House Judiciary Committee has it right. They come
because Obama refuses to enforce current immigration law and secure our
borders.Since National Security is Job # 1 of the federal
government, Obama is clearly in violation of his oath of office and therefore
should be impeached.
@ VST:Concerning the 2012 Immigration law change, when Congress
wouldn't pass Obama's "Dream Act" Obama took it upon himself
to do a Executive Order to stop deporting minors 16 and under if they met
certain criteria. It is now allowing all minors who come to this country to have
an immigration court hearing before any deportation can happen. Because of huge
backlog, that often takes years and then over 80% never show up for their
hearings anyway. They become added to the more then 12 million illegals
currently living undercover and hoping to become a low priority for ICE. These
are the people Obama wants major immigration reform to create a path to amnesty
for.To read more...This forum doesn't allow posting
actual internet sites, but google "2012 immigration executive order
change" and read the cnn link.
inervention,the extreme violence in their own countries are forcing
them to leave their own countris.the open borders crowd with their
cries of amnesty are drawing them here, where the culture, dominant religion,
and languaage are different than in countries closer to their own that they must
first pass through to get hereglad I could help relieve your
To "intervention" and what are they coming into? As illegals in the US,
they are no better than slaves. They have no opportunity for social
advancement, and are forced to live in the shadows.Again, unless you
are a hypocrite with ulterior motives, if their countries are that unstable and
that dangerous, lets send in the military to restore order. Obama has done that
for the middle-east, so why not for central America?
First they were offered a free lunch by Barack - just come to the US and you get
free welfare+food stamps + health care etc.... Of course they will be funneled
into the political system here too and just in time for the coming elections for
the Democrats. Never mind they are illegal - they will still be registered and
allowed to vote because that has never stopped the dirty Democrats before. So
these poor kids are being USED for political purposes by Barack. Remember he has
a pen and a cell phone - who needs Congress or the constitution to grant
amnesty. Second they are fleeing horrible violent countires and being sent by
desperate parents. There is no question the US should be OPEN to a
"controlled" number of immigrants who come here legally but this
situation is none of those things and in fact is being created by Barack OBama
...again for political purposes which is quite despicable and disgusting but not
@dave4197 "Statistics show that illegals are no more major criminal
than the rest of us."Seriously? False Personation of a
U.S. Citizen (18 U.S.C. § 911). Fraud and False Statements (18 U.S.C.
§ 1001). Social Security Fraud (42 U.S.C. § 408). Improper Entry by
Alien (8 U.S.C. § 1325). Unlawful Bringing of Aliens into United
States (8 U.S.C. § 1323). Overstaying Duration of Stay (8 U.S.C. §
1227(a)(1)(B) & (C)(I). Reentry of Removed Aliens (8 U.S.C. § 1326).
Willful Failure or Refusal to Depart (8 U.S.C. § 1253.Failure to Comply
with Terms of Release under Supervision (8 U.S.C. § 1253(b)). Bringing in
and Harboring Certain Aliens (8 U.S.C. § 1324). Aiding or Assisting Certain
Aliens to Enter (8 U.S.C. § 1327). Conspiracy to Commit Offense or to
Defraud the United States (18. U.S.C. § 371). False Personation of a U.S.
Citizen (18 U.S.C. § 911).I could go on, but I am over the word
"After weeks of insistence that criminal violence was responsible for the
surge of Central American migrants, the U.S. has begun a regional
public-relations campaign to fight the widespread belief in Central America that
children and families will be allowed to stay in the U.S. if they are caught by
the Border Patrol.That belief has been fueled both by migrant
smugglers seeking more clients, and by calls home from children and families who
have been released by the thousands in recent years, with notices to appear in
immigration court, because there are no facilities to hold them." DN June 20
@redshirtright because the only option for these families is to send
the children back into harms way so we should send them back to avoid being
accused of being hypocrites, thanks for the false dichotomy but not buying it.
Believe it or not if its really about keeping families together then maybe for
those families that it can be confirmed are really fleeing violence can be
reunited in the relative safety of America.Of course that would mean the
conservative would have to admit this is not just people looking for handouts.
@lostSo the extreme violence in central America is the result of
"open border liberals/" you certainly think liberals have a great deal
of power if we can control other countries. The complex issues these refugees
face cannot simply be reduced to simple sound bits and the same old political
blame game, sorry
The humanitarian way to stop this, now, and in the future, is to enforce our
laws, and stop giving amnesty. The Presidents ploy to save the Democrats in this
fall election has failed. @dave4197Every poor country deserves
our help, but until we get our own house in order, our resources are limited.
Perhaps you should ask the business owners that encourage this to chip in on an
individual level and offer assistance? The open border people created this mess,
they should be willing to help clean up the mess. If we allow the
children to stay here, and separate their family, does that kill amnesty? Those
in favor of separating these families now, would have a tough sell to keeping
families together in the future.
@dave4197 - Redding, CA - "....Statistics show that illegals are no more
major criminal than the rest of us. Shame on you, your bias is showing."dave4197, all right, let me explain this to you:Let's
say that for every 100,000 legal Americans, 1,000 crimes are committed.And let's say you're correct in claiming that statistically there is
no major difference between the crime rate of legal Americans and illegal aliens
so that for every 100,000 illegal aliens, only 1,000 crimes are also committed.
That makes a total of 2,000 crimes.But what you're refusing to
acknowledge is that if we just deported the 100,000 illegal aliens the crime
rate would be CUT in half, from 2,000 crimes to only 1,000 crimes. Crimes
can't be committed if there's no one to commit them.You
claim I am "biased" against illegal aliens.I claim that you
are biased against using logic and common sense.By all means, please
try and refute that.....
Are we trying to re-write history? Americans know they are coming for the
waivers. Vice President Biden went to the Central American countries to tell
them to stop sending their children here, that they were not eligible for the
waivers. Now news articles are trying to sell us the refugee story
as fact, it's not. It's a ploy for more executive action by preying on
the sympathy of Americans. Shame on those using children to get what they want.
Despite the Obama administration telling the border patrol not to allow the news
media anywhere near the illegal trespassers; some photos are being obtained.I notice not all of them are kids (like the Obama administration lied
about), rather, they seem to me to be all kinds of ages.Maybe some
of them of are "unaccompanied minor" lawbreakers, but there are a LOT of
adults in the group also.Maybe thats' why Obama prefers "no
pictures" be taken?
All right liberals, time to show us that you really are for keeping families
together. In the past you have said that we can't just deport the illegal
immigrants because it would break up their families. Now, these kids are being
sent here without their families and you are doing nothing. If you truly
believe that their families should not be broken up, send them back to their
home countries as fast as you can.
Dave,Where do you get off saying a desire for enforcing our immigration
laws and welcoming legal immigrants is hateful of Latinos? Where do you get off
saying keeping families from separating to come here piece-meal is hateful of
Latinos?Only in a confused liberal mindset is respect for the law
and wanting to keep families together hateful of anyone.Your concept
that we throw the constitution and laws out the way is truly dangerous.lket,congress hasn’t passed any laws… there are ALREADY
plenty of laws on the books – BO just chooses not to enforce them.BO and the left screaming “OUR BORDERS ARE OPEN” is what is
now drawing them, too many to their deaths.
blame game. blame on left. congress must pass laws on emigration. the president
has not had anything passed by congress therefore the blame would be on congress
for the laws we have and their no act. they are rushing the borders because we
are doing nothing to stop it.nothing to do with the president and all do
do with our nothing congress. they have voted no more than ever before
This article reports that one third of the children coming here unaccompanied
already one or both parents already living here. That means that two thirds of
them don't have a parent here. What are we going to do with all those?
I have heard some express the opinion that most likely the drug
cartels are involved with transporting a large portion of these children from
Central America through Mexico and into the US in order to create a diversion.
With the border patrol staff preoccupied with dealing with this humanitarian
crisis it makes easier for the drug cartels to smuggle tons of drugs across the
@ dave4197:If it wasn't for all the tanks and aircraft carriers
our country currently has (and that you criticize), our country wouldn't
have the freedoms we currently enjoy and we consequently wouldn't be the
envy of the world that causes so many people to try sneaking into. You need to
try putting 2 and 2 together to up with the real-life answer of 4. By having the
very things you criticize, we're able to enjoy the things you and I do, and
that others so apparently want.From reading the comments here,
it's obvious a lot of effort is being spent to explain how the real world
works. And from reading some of the nonsensical rebuttals, it appears the
illegal refugees aren't the only ones who might be hopeless. Our nation does have a crisis on it's hands. In fact, it has several and
the number keeps growing. Sadly, little is being done to address and fix those
issues. There is a ridiculous stalemate in Congress and many voter constituents
who seem to be low-information voters who simply don't understand these
real-world issues. Or even worse, they often don't care.
dave4197...What does it matter when the loophole from the 2012 law
was discovered? It absolutely doesn't at all. What actually does matter is
that there is a loophole that is being grossly taken advantage of. It's you
that should try again. But if that's the best you can do, then don't
bother. You're back to arguing semantics without offering a single
common-sense solution. Rhetoric, even when compassion based, accomplishes
absolutely nothing. Who are you to judge and determine that all
these recent illegals "were hopeless victims of crime and poverty"? Did
you interview them or do you have any verifiable evidence in support? Or are you
simply back to making unfounded assumptions again?Also, how did you
determine these people "want a hand-up and not a hand-out"? Just how are
they going to accomplish that when most are uneducated, unskilled and can't
speak any English? Since these are real-life conditions (not just platitudes),
they are actually in need of a lot of hand-outs. They will have no means of
supporting themselves for quite awhile. How will all those handouts be paid for,
since our budget is already unbalanced?
guy with a brain? from OK? just kiddingStatistics show that illegals are
no more major criminal than the rest of us. Shame on you, your bias is
showing.About my compassion for those who would pay for this help. Read my
post, I work for a living and I don't apologize for or gripe about helping
others a little (my story) or a lot (my taxes) when there's a real need (we
buy too many tanks and aircraft carriers, I'd rather help these people).
Someone else will judge my compassion not you, and I'm not holding my
breath waiting like you, let's take care of business at hand, a crisis.tatorThe 2012 loophole you point out was only noticed after this crisis
began. Try again. If there are really 2B people like these, and we've got
the greatest economy, go figure, I can figure who needs TO help. If you read ALL
the news you'll find these people didn't research as much as you did,
they just got outta town where they were hopeless victims of crime and poverty.
And want a hand up not a hand out.
@ Irony Guy:Please put some actual effort into getting a handle on
current reality. The vast majority of these illegal aliens didn't make some
long trek across a hot desert like others did decades ago. It's documented
in the news from interviews with these people that most paid human smugglers
thousands of dollars to be brought here. They then rode buses through Mexico
after bribing border guards there (business as usual in Mexico).When
and if they ever get returned, it will be by the same means we're now
sending them all around the country... by bus and/or plane. Absolutely none
would be sent into the desert to die. Someone has obviously been reading too
many dime-store novels. It was recently documented and then reported
that fewer than 20% of these people show up for their immigration court
appointments after giving written promises that they would appear. It then
becomes difficult to consider these people honest. They have no intention of
doing things the right way, but are instead just gaming the system and naive
advocates. It's absolutely ludicrous to criticize Tea Party
proponents for wanting to have and follow laws.
@ dave4197:Follow the news more closely. Even Obama is saying he
needs more authority to immediately send these minors back to their countries.
Nothing has changed for these people recently. They haven't suddenly become
more poor. The only reason so many are now flooding our borders is because their
local media and human smugglers are telling them that now is the time to come to
the USA and they won't be deported. They recognize there is a
loophole in the immigration law passed in 2012 they are trying to take advantage
of before it gets fixed. I daily see pictures of these people on TV. They
aren't coming here because they are hungry and in need of sustenance. In
fact, many if not most are at least as over-weight as my relatives and
neighbors. I can tell you have a good heart and mean well. But you
offer no practical or workable solutions. A general call for help doesn't
do or fix anything. Tators makes some very good points. Where is the line
drawn in helping others when there are over 2 billion around the world at least
as poor as these people?
Article quote: "Some have argued that children are being "pulled" to
the U.S. by lenient policy. The House Judiciary Committee released a statement
Tuesday, blaming the Obama administration for "lax immigration enforcement
policies … encourag[ing] more individuals to come to the United States
illegally." The statement called for more enforcement, "not another
bureaucratic task force," referring to FEMA, which is helping mitigate the
influx of migrants at the border."Oh, nooo, it couldn't be
that.@ dave4197: So does your compassion extend to those who would
NOT be mugged and murdered by the criminally-minded illegal aliens who already
live among us now? Does your compassion extend to those who actually pay the
billions and billions of tax dollars that are being used to house, feed and care
for illegal aliens?Those are serious, direct questions and they
deserve serious, direct answers.I'm waiting....
These children are refugees. Today we can't comprehend why the America of
our grandparents wouldn't permit Jewish refugee children to escape Hitler
by entering the USA. Our grandchildren will wonder the same thing about the
T-party types who want to kick 'em back across the river and let 'em
die in the desert.
@ dave4197:You're still avoiding the real issue. Just living in
an impoverished country isn't helping those people. And helping a Latino
family (that very well could be here legally) fix their car isn't doing
anything about the flood of illegal aliens currently overwhelming our system.
So why stop at helping just those living south of us? Aren't
the other multiple billions of people around the world who are economically
poorer than us and wanting to live here also actual people "who need our
help here and now."? Or are you advocating helping only those who have the
audacity to try to sneak across our borders? What you calling for is actually a
form of discrimination.It should be obvious to you and other
like-minded that we have borders and laws for practical purposes. We can't
provide welfare homes here for all poorer people in the world. Why discriminate
against some of them just because you lived for a time with others? Makes no
common sense.We still provide a legal means of immigrating to
America like your ancestors used. It takes time and patience, but we need to
adhere to it.
Roy Beck's Gumballs video graphically explains why we cannot fix these
humanitarian problems HERE. We must fix them THERE.A Gallup poll in 2009
reveals that 165 million people around the world would prefer to live in the
United States. Obviously we cannot accommodate them. That's why immigration
enforcement is so important.As Charles De Gaulle said, I have come
to the conclusion that politics are too serious a matter to be left to the
laconicWhat's happening across our southern border is a humanitarian
problem, poor people, indeed a bunch of children, are seeking safety and
opportunity and they think they can find that in our country. I say welcome, I
say helping hand go out to them, I say we mobilize and help house these people
at least temporarily until families can be found and situations can be judged.
Obama is doing that, helping.You and others who toss the constitution and
the rule of law around need to chill, get out of the way, or offer a real
helping hand. The time for political debate is somewhere else and some other
time, and I will join and debate against you at that place and time.Today's humanitarian crisis calls out for compassion, find some
laconic.I literally choke when reading those words about blaming this on
Obama, he's not my hero, about blaming this on our welfare state or
others' socialistic states, I work for a living, or about blaming this on
"somebody else". Give a hand laconic and others, these people are poor
and on our doorstep, don't fail them
tatorsI have done something personally, I have lived south of the border
and experienced how others in our world live, we have a moral responsibility to
help our Americano neighbors with real help here and now, not just sending them
back somewhere. I have helped an immigrant family whose car broke down near me
whose car I couldn't fix so I paid to fix it; the family moved on to a
locality where there was less hate against latinos, 3 yrs ago. They're
happy and working and kids are in school and growing up speaking english. I
helped one family a bit and now I call on you to help not hinder not play with
words. Read the Utah Compact, a good policy about helping families. That
means opening your door, your mind, your community's bank, not "sending
them back". Read the parable of the good samaritan too, tators. My
ancestors came from England and Denmark, I join hands with today's
immigrants saying give us a chance in the land of opportunity. Our economy is
relatively opulent I've said here repeatedly and will not take that back.
@ dave4197:Because the Tea Party is literally the only political
group advocating following the Constitution precisely and exactly as written,
it's interesting that you deem their talk as "trash talk". In
truth, it's exactly the opposite. Advocating anything opposing
Constitutional law, as written, is the real trash talk. Excusing such beliefs by
calling the Constitution "an evolving document" is actually dangerous
trash talk. Only in America can following your own rule-of-law from
your own Constitution (often considered the greatest in the entire history of
the world) be called inhumane by a major political group. If we do
what some liberal extremists are now calling for, it would encourage and soon
cause a new flood of illegal aliens that would make this current group tiny in
comparison. We would soon change our own economy into a type of welfare
socialist state and economically diluted into something similar to what
currently exists in South and Central America... approaching another 3rd world
country, primarily because a new major group of people here would have no
education nor any appreciable skills. Many, if not most, of those
now coming is because of our liberal welfare policies.
If it was all about high crime in Honduras, there are multiple other countries
much closer to their home country and with less crime... and that are much
closer than the United States. Plus, they wouldn't have to learn any new
languages.I've yet to talk to a liberal advocating accepting
all these "refugees" who has actually done anything personal to help.
None have volunteered to take any of these people in or have even donated any
money to the cause. Talk is cheap and often sounds good. But when not backed up
with action, means almost nothing. In fact, it often makes hypocrites of those
doing the talking.For those trying to reunite with other family
members, it proves that our loose borders system has been separating families
and putting kids in danger by trying to reunite. Had we had secure borders,
these families would've never been separated to begin with. Also, our economy is not currently great. We're more in debt than any
nation in the world. Plus, Obama has NO plan whatsoever for dealing with this
flood of people. None. Overall, the best course of action would be to return
It is a humanitarian crisis. Children are being smuggled by dangerous people
through Mexico to get here. We need to help them get here safely. Let's
send dozens of airplanes down to their home countries every day so we can fly
them all here safely at taxpayer expense.There are probably a
billion or more people around the world who would love to live here in America.
More should be done to bring at least millions of them here at our expense. It
is the only compassionate thing to do. Right?It might sound far
fetched, but you know those kinds of arguments from the left are coming soon.
Nice article covering Obama's tracks.His DREAM Act by fiat is the
biggest magnet here.And he KNEW this was coming. They posted job offerings
in January for escorts for the children.According to an ICE memo in June
lack of enforcement is the key reason they are coming. A notice to appear once
caught is the same as a work visa. No one shows up to be deported.Let's not sugar coat this; Obama OWNS this problem.
The open borders folk are responsible for these children and the abuses they
suffer.children are being "pulled" to the U.S. by lenient
policy. The House Judiciary Committee released a statement Tuesday, blaming the
Obama administration for "lax immigration enforcement policies …
encourag[ing] more individuals to come to the United States illegally."Even liberals agree:New York Times writer Frances Robles wrote in
June, "Many (unaccompanied children migrants) say they are going because
they believe the United States treats migrant children traveling alone and women
with their children more lenientlyEnough trash talk from
irresponsible liberals. We need to enforce the laws we have on the books and
encourage people wanting to come here to do so legally. Sure it will be
inconvenient, sure it will be uncomfortable at times not knowing their language
(if they come to the US they ought to know how to speak English), sure it will
be expensive, but it is much more compassionate than having them die in the
desert or being forced into sexual slavery by human smugglers
A humanitarian response is needed. US people and authorities need to work on
helping to feed, house, and otherwise shelter from crime these refugees. Enough
trash talk from tea party types. Let's help our neighbors! Sure it will
be inconvenient, sure it will be uncomfortable at times not knowing their
language (if you live in the US southwest you otta know how to speak spanish by
now), sure it will be expensive. We can help, we have a healthy, even opulent
economy by comparison with our neighbors, we need to help in a humanitarian way
not in an excluding way.
President Obama has pegged this correctly: the crossing is a humanitarian crisis
and should be treated as such. To the extent prudent, we should welcome and
help these children.