This is so tragic. So I ask again, how is a background check on my mother going
to keep a mentally ill police officer from killing his family? You notice that
Mr. Obama hasn't required all officers to turn in their guns. They already
are subject to background checks and gun registration. So how did those efforts
help in this case? Could it be that people kill people, not the guns?Again, this case is as tragic as all cases of senseless killings with guns.
Terrible. Why would someone do that?
Cinci Man: your first sentence makes no sense at all. Obama has not taken
your guns; although, if you are that fixated on them, perhaps a background check
would be in order?It sounds to me like the police didn't know
what a loser Boren was OR ignored it. Plus, his wife was having an affair AND
obviously telling everyone that Boren had drugged and raped her. Pornography is NOT an addiction; it's a replacement for the healthy sex
life that a couple should be able to enjoy. Many couples use pornography in
their marital relations. As long as there's no children involved or
brutalization, pornography is not the problem.Mentally-ill people
with guns (like Boren) ARE the problem. His wife should have reported the
rapes, and he should never have been able to carry weapons.
These two adults were a couple of real winners. He on drugs; and she sleeping
around with the closest roid head. They deserved each other. Unfortunately,
two sweet little children suffered as a result. May the adults both rot in
wherever they are now.
@Reasonable PersonHave you not heard President Obama after the
school shootings during his administration offer the one solution he can come up
with - that of gun control to the extent of removing guns from law-abiding
citizens such as you and me and my mother? He believes (political grandstanding
only) that the only way to deal with this problem is more background checks,
more difficulty for everyone to get guns and ammunition, and more government
control and more taxes, and more and more and more of the very things that are
not the problem. He's an event organizer that can no more than to schedule
an anti-gun tour of the talk shows and rallies near gold courses he wants to
play. I am asking a simple question. Please answer it if you can. How will a
background check on my mother stop any shootings? If you answer that,
you'll have a nice list of all the shootings that background check or any
other will prevent. Mental illness, drugs (even recreational), and
accountability to those whose guns get into the wrong hands will do far more
than bothering my mother or yours.
So police officers are not being drug tested? Anyone wit a job that requires
guns or public safety needs to be tested numerous times per year. I mean a full
panel random test too. This is pretty poor and could prevent or address issues
before they happen. The government is certainly after gun owners with any kind
of history, law enforcement officers should be subjected without question.
Again, the issue is mental illness. Until the politicians wake up and
effectively communicate with the Mental Health industry, there will be no
forward movement. The ignorant liberal anti-gun lobby would have Americans
anthropomorphising guns and giving them more power than the hands they are
wielded by. Mental health is THE issue, and that's where the progress needs
to be made. WHAT people kill others with in inconsequential to the main
issue--WHY people choose to commit mass murder. In almost every recent case,
mental health has been attached. But as with all liberal agendas, WHO and WHY
doesn't matter as much as WHAT. Shameful.My prayers and
thoughts go out to the all those who lost their family at the hands of this
truly mentally disturbed individual. May our politicians give you the courtesy
of an intelligent response.
Tragic, commenting mostly to see if it gets by the mods
@ duane and Reasonable Person:Don't kid yourselves. Pornography
can be very addicting. It doesn't take much reading and research to
understand how very much so. There are a couple of guys I worked with who have
struggled greatly with porno addictions. One lost his job and marriage and the
other is still struggling to save his marriage. Both will agree that to some
people pornography can be just as addicting as alcohol is to others. To
live in a state of denial about how destructive porno can be is living in some
sort of la-la land or in a state of self-rationalization. duane...The article said "Josh had writings that indicated he
struggled with inappropriate sexual activity as a minor and into his
adulthood." Keep in mind a teenage minor and a child are vastly different.
An older teenager can get into all sorts of bad and inappropriate sexual issues
and situations besides "raping someone" as you put it. To think
otherwise would require extremely loose or nearly non-existent moral standards.
The very fact he wrote about it indicates he most likely felt there
was some inappropriateness going on.
He was willing to drug and rape his wife multiple times. He belonged in jail.
She didn't want to ruin his career? She was playing with dynamite, he was
a ticking time bomb. Too bad there weren't family members or friends who
knew who were strong enough to convince her of a low key way to leave him
without all the threats and the affair. If he were my brother, I
would have reported him to the police. To rape an unconscious woman is a
sociopathic thing to do. Clearly out of his mind with grief, rage and trauma
and very, very dangerous.
When is it ever effective to argue with someone especially one's spouse or
soon to be ex-spouse via text message? Clearly after what he did to her, she
MUST have known he had some major issues. She should have stopped the texting,
grabbed the kids, and ran. That is easy to say now after the tragedy but it is
word to the wise to those who are still here.
I have to ask, how much did the Lindon police department/Utah County
Sheriff's office know about this guy? If any of this was known, at what
point is he either still on the force or somehow forced to get some help or
Unbelievable that this man was deemed fit to be a policeman.
I am worried for those who have commented about how harmless pornography is.
Anyone who claims that pornography is OK, is obviously deeply steeped in it and
is in denial about the damage it is doing to you and everyone around you. It
destroys families the same way drugs and alcohol do. In fact, the psychological
toll of pornography is probably far worse than the physical toll of substance
abuse. Do your research rather than defending it because it makes you feel good
temporarily. Look where it led this man - and you think it's perfectly
safe? Time you saw a professional.
The fact that his wife may have had an affair has nothing to do with this
tragedy. She is a victim of a very disturbed man. An affair is not an excuse
to commit murder.
It's absurd to claim that this man's addiction to pornography had
anything to do with his murders. It's unfortunate that people are implying
that it had anything to do with being rapist and murderer of his own family.
Murder and violent crime rates have been plummeting while pornography
consumption has increases.
"Pornography is NOT an addiction; it's a replacement for the healthy
sex life that a couple should be able to enjoy."Not addictive? A
replacement for a healthy sex life? REALLY?
Those who believe pornography had nothing to do with this situation need to read
the article again. Mr. Boren acknowledged it himself and was seeking help. Help
that was too late coming. What loving husband drugs his wife to unconsciousness
and then has his way with her. She knew about it because he either told her or
she discovered the evidence herself. He even told his sister??? Why didn't
she report?? Or the therapist?? If a client self reports that he raped someone
is the therapist required to report? And what a stereotype to have this rapist
expose a horrible relationship with his mother? Rape is an act of aggression,
but his fantasies were enmeshed with his porn use.If you can handle
your porn, watch Don Jon(rated R for a real reason). Even having a healthy
sexual relationship cannot replace the addiction. For a smoker, chewing gum or
sucking on hard candies just isn't the same.
@ Midvale guyDid you even read the article. There was no drugs found
in his system. So how could a drug screening have prevented this incident from
occurring. As to those that thought the Lindon Police Department
"knew or should have known". Really how many things do you have in your
life that know one else knows? Until its reported, or investigated it is going
to be difficult for any agency to know what is occurring in personal lives.
NeilTClearfield, UTThe fact that his wife may have had an
affair has nothing to do with this tragedy. She is a victim of a very disturbed
man. An affair is not an excuse to commit murder.It is called a
crime of passion. The fact his wife did have an affair is a valid motive that
any homicide detective will explore.And with all the
unconstitutional child support laws, he had a motive to oust the kids too.We really need to abolish all law enforcement and instill a better
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with sexually involving minors, drugs, sex and
porn. It must have been something else.Right. Lets just ignore
this perfect case demonstrating it.
The pressure in this state to put on a good front that all is well at home is
tragic in and of itself. There are some people with some histories that are not
a good fit with law enforcement. Some military people who also do some crazy
things have his kind of history as well. Some people shouldn't own guns.
There needs to be more careful screening of people for law enforcement jobs. It
is unfortunate that for whatever reason she felt like she couldn't calmly
and quietly taken the kids and left. She would have likely needed to move out of
state as he was a cop. Even that may not have save them if he was determined to
find him and could easily use his job to do so. It is tragic so many men out
there feel they have to wipe out their families because of relationship problems
or divorce. It all gets back to power and oontrol issues they need a lot of help
with. Some seem to have the perception that their families are their property.