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Published: Monday, July 7 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

Updated: Sunday, July 6 2014 10:22 p.m. MDT

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Salt Lake City, UT

Is the writer's point that global warming is not occurring, or that such is occurring but is not causing an increase in extreme weather events? Remember, we just had the typhoon of the century in southeast Asia.

According to the American Geophysical Union "Up to $106 billion worth of coastal homes and businesses in the U.S. are likely to be underwater by the year 2050 due to rising sea levels,.." occasioned by warming. Warming leads to increased evaporation, more water in the air and more violent storms, so the argument goes.

Frozen Fractals
Salt Lake City, UT

There are claims made by those who aren't scientists but consider climate change to be a serious problem that are incorrect. An example: people saying that tornadoes will increase, however, the IPCC report says that there's no statistically significant link with tornadoes and climate change.

"Over the last five decades, we have been hit by 5.6 hurricanes whereas the preceding five decades the average was 8.4 hurricanes."

We've had 54 the past 5 decades (1964-2013), 72 between 1914-1963. Give or take 2 since I was counting from a NOAA FAQ chart on the 'complete list of continental U.S. landfalling hurricanes and I might have missed or overcounted one.

"In the 1930s, half of the states set new record highs. Since 2000, only one state recorded a record high. "

That is incorrect. States that set record annual temperature highs in just the year 2012: Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Ohio, Illinois, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, South Dakota, Wyoming, New Mexico, Utah (and the contiguous 48 as a whole).

Huntsville, UT

It's lazy to deny climate change.

Hayden, ID

The climate is changing, its getting cooler, not warmer! Based on moving 5-year averages of U.S. monthly temperature anomalies, America's continental climate is currently cooling at a minus 1.2 degrees F per century rate. It's just another case of 'those stubborn facts' being mighty inconvenient. As the latest NOAA empirical dataset clearly indicates: "The hottest U.S. months took place in the 1930's when C02 was very low". We must not forget that the whole AGW scam started with the only idea and that’s to make money! Remember the Y2K bug? The CFC’s killing the Ozone? Peak-oil? As PT Barnum once said, "There is another sucker born every minute". Those who still believe in the scam probably didn't get the memo from NASA that solar activity is in a decreasing cycle and is the reason the earth is now cooling!

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

This letter is full of errors --
Rather than look up and refract them,

Let's pick it apart based on the letter alone ---


Seventy hurricanes hit the U.S. between 1911 and 2010.

Over the last five decades, we have been hit by 5.6 hurricanes whereas the preceding five decades the average was 8.4 hurricanes.

[5.6 hurricanes + 8.4 hurricanes = 14 hurricanes]

Since 2000, only one state recorded a record high.
[You do not watch the local nightly Weather, we set and break records all the time.]

Before we jump to conclusions, let's look at the facts.
[WE do, it appears you do not]

Based on data, global warming is not increasing extreme weather events.
[OK, but you have to start with REAL data, first.]

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I think it's a safe bet that Kevin is going to be denounced as a "Denier" of the prophecies of Global Warming doom on these pages today. He should know better than to even question the people who believe.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Bottom line for conservatives: "Let's continue to stink up the air--full speed ahead!"

Tooele, UT

Re: "Bottom line for conservatives: 'Let's continue to stink up the air--full speed ahead!'"

It's ironic that some people who believe they're smart enough that we should pay attention to their comments still believe that carbon dioxide has a smell. Or that it can be seen in the air around the Wasatch Front. Or that it causes breathing difficulties.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Nice job of cherry-picking both random facts and random fantasy. Some of your numbers don't add up. Come on, DN editors, can't you do the simple math and just chuck a letter like this rather than print it? Oh, I get it--it denies climate science, therefore it has to be printed.

Centerville, UT

"Over the last five decades, we have been hit by 5.6 hurricanes whereas the preceding five decades the average was 8.4 hurricanes.

[5.6 hurricanes + 8.4 hurricanes = 14 hurricanes]"

(5.6 average/decade x 5 decades) + (8.4 average /decade x 5 decades)=
28 + 42 = 70

Story problems are such a bite. Now if you are going to pick his letter apart the facts do matter. It is important to understand what is being said to make an argument against it. Was he right or wrong about the last 10 decades?

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

"Before we jump to conclusions, let's look at the facts."

Sounds good, Kevin. Let's start with the "fact" that the area you've chosen to analyze (the US) constitutes roughly 1%-2% of the surface area of our planet. Therefore, your analysis is severely narrow and detrimentally myopic in it's ability to extrapolate any sort of conclusion/deduction towards the discussion of global anthropogenic climate change.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Okay, I went to an online hurricane archive, and here are the figures for the North Atlantic for the past 100 years, starting in 2012 and working backward in 10-year increments:

2003-2012 83
1993-2002 69
1983-1992 50
1973-1982 53
1963-1972 60
1953-1962 59
1943-1952 63
1933-1942 49
1923-1932 40
1913-1922 39

Okay, call me silly, but it looks to me like a definite uptick in the past two decades. What does this prove? Well, that depends on your politics.

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihuahua, 00

A 49 degree day in the month of June. Have a nice day.

Frozen Fractals
Salt Lake City, UT

"Was he right or wrong about the last 10 decades?"

His numbers seem a bit off, and he's only counting category 3+ landfalls instead of "hurricanes", but the ratio is roughly correct.

The state heat record thing is way off.

"Based on moving 5-year averages of U.S. monthly temperature anomalies, America's continental climate is currently cooling at a minus 1.2 degrees F per century rate."

The continental US has warmed by around 1.3F the past century. You used a cherrypicked 14 year sample size (2000-2013). And I'm not sure why people use selective small sample sizes over 1-2% of the surface of the Earth to say global warming doesn't exist and that we're in some dramatic cooling.

Burke, VA

According to NASA, the Earth's climate has changed throughout history. In the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.

Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century.

All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880.

The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.302 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969.

The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades. Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world — including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.

Evidence shows that climate change is impacting our planet in ways never before encountered or recorded.

Centerville, UT

I don't really know which side is using which data for their hurricane land falls statistics, or were they break the decades, but this is the list from the NOAA website, for land fall hurricanes in the US.


Fro these it shows a period in the 1800 with high incident, again around 1940 and 1950. Now reasonable people make your projections based on the evidence. 1936 was the warmest record for the 48 states, 2012 was the second warmest per records. Hurricanes are not indicators of global warming or caused by global warming, If so then the global temperatures in the 1800 must have been greater than they are now.

Centerville, UT

Don't make this statement to a paleoclimatoligist. "Evidence shows that climate change is impacting our planet in ways never before encountered or recorded."

Technically, the Earth is already in an ice age at present. If glaciers were not receding, they would be growing. If glaciers are growing we would be returning to a period of glaciation the same as about 10,000 years ago. Sea levels would drop drastically.

According to estimates, the interglacial period the Earth is in now may persist for another 50,000 years if CO2 levels increase to 750 parts per million (ppm). (the present atmospheric concentration of CO2 is about 398 ppm by volume) If CO2 drops instead to 210 ppm, then the next glacial period may only be 15,000 years away. 1972 to 2014 science.

Morgan, UT

@Kent C. DeForrest

There's only one problem for the Global Warming Alarmists (aka "reality deniers"); their gurus at the IPCC (whom we're told are the "experts") have confirmed in their Report from this past Spring, that we haven't warmed in 17 years. Oops! Like always, they were screaming several years back that we would indeed see an increase in catastrophic storms and hurricanes, confirming that AGW was the cause. Oops!

These "reality deniers" and their "scientists" never, ever get it right. When the weather isn't warming the way they said it would, they simply change Global Warming to "Climate Change." They have a proven track record of getting it wrong, misrepresenting the facts, and outright lying to promote this myth. And yet we're told we're the "deniers."

Since people aren't buying this garbage science, the "reality deniers" have to make even more outlandish, cataclysmic predictions. Talk about the Liberal who cried wolf! For some people (like the totalitarian we call President) it's a means to control a population; for others, it's a religion, where the deity is "Mother Earth."

All they have left is to call us "deniers."

Centerville, UT

In the last 15000 years the sea level has risen 400 feet. That is about 1/3 inch per year.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

You don't have to believe that global warming will lead to higher rates of extreme weather events. But let me tell you one group that does: Insurance companies. Their very survival depends on being able to predict the amount of losses they will incur to do extreme weather events. They seem to be quite certain that these events have been increasing and will continue to increase.

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