Published: Sunday, July 6 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
Updated: Saturday, July 5 2014 11:29 p.m. MDT
I agree with the writer. Here's something I have wondered about. Do the
Deseret News and like minded media support Hobby Lobby because they think
providing the contraceptives in question violates Hobby Lobby's
owners' religious freedom, or simply because Hobby Lobby claims such does?
I don't see how any rational person could believe Hobby
Lobby's owners were having their religious liberty circumscribed.
Apparently it is enough for them to CLAIM that was happening. So if I say some
law or regulation violates my religious freedom, then it is necessarily so.
This is a slippery slope for sure.
If I understand Hobby Lobby correctly, the Supreme Court made the correct
decision. They claim they would have been forced to provide a form of birth
control that kills a fertilized egg or a ' days old' human being. In
their mind this was murder. Its close enough that they should not be forced on
this issue.That said, companies should not be allowed to deny
benefits to employees because it violates the owners religion. Employers should
not be allowed to push their religion on their employees. It would be wrong for
employers who are Jehovas Witness to deny insurance to employees thsp pays for
blood transfusions for example.
Religions do have the right and religious people the right to speak out on
issues of moral concern. That right is not limited to atheist's or those
that religions are on a different version of morality than traditional Judeo
Christian values our nation was founded on.
What a twisted argument. The letter writer doesn't provide any evidence
that a limit on employee benefit restricts another person's freedoms any
more than requiring a person to work on his/her Sabbath imposes on another
person's freedoms. He makes no argument, other than his own opinion, about
how it is intolerant of others. There is nothing in this law that prevents an
employee from getting an abortion, just that it does not have to be funded by
someone who is opposed to abortion for religious reasons. In fact, it is no
different than conscientious objector laws of the past and present.In fact, the intolerance is on the part of the letter writer. Abortion is
supposed to be rare, even according to liberals, so few people are affected. The
ruling does not affect availability of abortion so it's not much of an
inconvenience. The ruling does not allow employees to be terminated for having
an abortion so there is no discrimination.But this letter writer
wants to impose HIS opinion on employers. He should keep his opinions out of the
workplace instead of worrying about the deeply-held beliefs of others.
Religious freedom? It was Lucifer that wanted to force us to follow the rules. I
can't buy this religious freedom bunk because a) Hobby Lobby changed their
positions after the ACA became law and b) they are invested in the very
companies that manufacture these products in question and c) getting a tax break
is not tantamount to being "forced" to do anything but put money on the
bottom line. This letter is nothing if not hyperbole.
"We are not allowed to impose our beliefs on others, " Here's
where conservatives disagree with you Christopher.Conservatives
believe that religious freedom includes the right to not be associated with,
come in contact with, or in any way feel they have been forced to lend support
for acts they consider immoral. Now the court has said that right is certain
even if their belief is not true.This wasn't much of a problem
in 1790. Now it's a huge issue because of the expansion of both religious
influence and government influence. Still until now the public space (including
employment) was pretty free from forced religious influence. The Roberts court
however is determined to specifically re-define the public space of commerce as
deserving the rights afforded humans (pretty good trick if you ask me). I
suppose because it's consists of humans. What's sad is at
the same time they are purposefully restricting the rights of actual humans.
Watch out because this is an ideology so until there is a SCOTUS
that is more friendly to actual humans it will continue.
The Hobby Lobby ruling does not harm women. The government can provide any
woman with contraception if it thinks it is that important. No employee will be
denied this intervention.However, the writer is correct in worrying
about what other benefits might be denied employees based on religious beliefs.
He didn't mention any specifically.
Look what Obama has done! He has turned us against each other where some people
claim that a businessman must pay for contraceptives that destroy life! If
anyone believes that the 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection under the
law, that person would have to also agree that an unborn baby deserves at least
as much protection as the hardened criminal who has been sentenced to death.
The criminal has been found guilty by a jury, has been sentenced to die, and has
had opportunity to appeal his case. On the other hand, some people DEMAND that
someone else pay for the pills that destroy life inside the womb.Make no mistake about it, when the government forces one person to pay for the
pills that destroy another, that government is despotic. Nothing in
the Constitution requires a business to pay for abortifacients. Our Declaration
of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men
are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Agreed!Great letter Christopher Morris.
It has never been the resposibility of business to bankroll employees who treat
sex as a recreational activity to be engaged in at any time with any person. No
truly reasonable person would claim that it is.Business pays for
standard health care because healthy, responsible employees are a benefit to the
business. Employees who engage in irresponsible lifestyles are a detriment to
business, and no business can prosper if it is forced to pay for its own
"If anyone believes that the 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection
under the law, that person would have to also agree that an unborn baby deserves
at least as much protection as the hardened criminal who has been sentenced to
death."Your error Mr. Richards is that a zygot, or a week old
fetus is not a "baby". It's not human. It may or may not become
human but it's not, and there is no science that says it is, only
religions. That's what's tragically wrong with this
decision. The court said it doesn't matter if your opinion is correct or
not. Dangerous, dangerous, dangerous.
Why do babies have to die just because someone doesnt want to be a parent. Since
we are talking about equality, I want a license to kill also. Its only fair.
UgottabkiddinWrong! Satan wanted us to go through life with no
personal accountability and he would take care of everything. Jeez this sounds
so familiar. I got it! Its this issue here. Society wants us to eat drink and be
merry for tomorrow we die and if we are guilty God will beat us with a few
stripes and we are saved in the Kingdom of God. Getting a free ride through life
without being held accountable is a million time more seductive and easier to
get people to follow than being forced to do good which only about 5 people
wouldve agreed too.
Well said, Christopher Martin. You are exactly right.
From truthout - this says it the way it is:The First Amendment the
constitution says, in part: "Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;."
This right-wing Republican Supreme Court, using its one-vote majority, has
re-written that language. The Amendment now reads "Congress shall make no
law that requires a person to comply with it if they claim a religious
exemption, and the religious views of one group of citizens can be held to
outweigh those of another group, by law;."
What I find interesting is that many say gay marriage is a slippery slope
because they argue what is next? Siblings marrying and so on. However they do
not see the hobby lobby case as being a slippery slope. Under the law of the
land certain insurance coverage was to be provided. If hobby lobby, a
corporation not a person, can claim their religious beliefs are being violated
then why can't a corporation ban blacks from their business based on
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof"And liberals are
saying no they can make laws to force others to follow their ideas and rules.
The Hobby Lobby ruling is just such an argument. If we yell loud enough, make
misrepresentations, and scream long enough, we will get the federal government
to make everyone conform to our way of thinking.
The Green family, owners of Hobby Lobby, is against drugs that are abortive, but
the company does include 16 types of contraception in its health insurance plan.
Hardly a war on women. But we could discuss the Margaret Sanger war on the poor
and the blacks. Progressive racial war on blacks, planned parenthood, has
limited the grow of the black race in America by 3 to 4 percent keeping the
total population below 12 percent.. How many are supporting Margeret's
I see lots of angst and lots of opinion but not one opponent to this ruling has
yet made the case that this harms women in any way or that it imposes any form
of hardship. Please stop the rhetoric and make a logical argument.
The issue here is much more nuanced than it is being presented to be both in the
letter and the comments. The company owners are not opposed to ALL
contraceptives, but just those deemed to prevent pregnancy after the fertilized
egg is implanted in the womb. They are not opposed to contraception, but to
abortion. Hence once again we arrive at a scientific standoff. The
vast majority of scientists say that no contraceptive cause abortion, but the
company owners faith causes them to take a different view. So now we are looking
at a case where the Supremes say the company is not only entitled to religious
freedom, but also "scientific" freedom. How can anyone say that this
decision will not result in a flood of litigation that claims new rights.
Doubters need look no further than the injunction given to Wheaton College last
week, when they claimed that needing to file the required form to obtain their
new found religious right to have the government or the insurance company pay
for contraceptives, violates their religious rights! Look out below!
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