Published: Sunday, July 6 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
Updated: Sunday, July 6 2014 12:08 p.m. MDT
"Gov. Gary Herbert and state legislative leaders tout Utah as the
“best managed state” in the nation . . . "Uh huhSo the state's managers say Utah is the "best managed
state."How much is that worth? Does anyone else say that?The Bush Administration thought they were better managers than the
Clinton administration too. Dick Cheney still thinks so.Maybe
someone else should do the evaluating? Just a thought.
When lawmakers tout Utah as one of the best managed states, they are referring
to fiscal responsibility. And by that measurement, they are correct. Utah has
few crippling obligations that most states have.Treatment of mental
illness is an issue that most states have not paid attention to. Rehabilitating
mental illness could save the state money, but the article's binding of
rehabilitation to a shortage of qualified workers is a very odd pairing indeed.
As I understand it, employers are not necessarily looking for "more
workers" as they are looking for particular skills, such as technology.
Treatment of mental illness will not bring more employers to the state.Education has been and will continue to be the most critical factor to achieve
financial stability. Achievement of Utah students in primary education is on a
slippery slope. The USOE has and Governor have made several crippling decisions
in regards to Common Core that made this base-layer gap worse that it already
was. If we are to address a skills shortage, businesses need to work with
Universities to identify these needs, or work with the Governor to attract more
skilled workers to the state.
Agreed - in part.With K-12 spending being the WORST in the nation.
However -- Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. said it best when he said Utah's greatest export is it's highly skilled, highly educated work
force.Meaning -- After all the investing, and spending on
education, and higher education -- [running an average of about $200,000
per student]Utah's College graduates [you know - the future
MIDDLE class] are being FORCED to leave the state to find meaningful
employment.That's got to be about the Stupidest investment plan
I have ever witnessed.[$200,000 for NOHTING!]
To be conservative implies a conscious effort to be a good steward/citizen. Spending huge sums for punishment only is always an easy sell. Spending
less to make people accountable, while helping them is what it means to be
conservative, but it is much tougher, politically. I consider
myself a progressive conservative. In the best tradition, here in Wisconsin, it
meant to make the world a better place (progressive) while being careful
stewards of all resources.
Utah hasn't been translated yet to the heavens so even if the Politicians
claimed that it is the best managed state in the nation, it is way far away from
re: FanOfTheSithIf this is utopia or Heaven then let me go to...
Doesn't being the best managed mean that you adequately fund your programs?
If that's the case, then I would dare say that Utah is one of the worst
managed. Our public education is the lowest-funded in the nation, and that keeps
the wealthiest businesses in the nation from investing in our state. Good business mean investing in the the programs that will bring a higher
return, and that would be our children. When students get a good education, they
will contribute to the economy by getting a job in a career with a good income.
Unfortunately, too many of them have to leave the state to find those jobs
because the companies that offer the best salaries don't come here because
we don't adequately fund education. It's a vicious cycle.
The poor and mentally ill don't donate to campaigns.Utah's
"moral leaders" would rather spend millions to discriminate against LGBT
citizens, millions to sweep scandals under the rug (Herbie's road scandal)
and millions fighting to take over federal lands to give to their developer
donors.Some morality, Utah; some morality indeed.
"Is Utah really the best managed state? What would the poor say?"==============The headline above is the question posed by Larry
Alan Brown, the author. I figured that somewhere in his ensuing article would
be some sort of answer to his self-posed question. Yet, all that followed was a
litany of statistics showing that Mr. Brown thinks Utah has many things to
improve with virtually nothing showing comparative data that might help answer
his question.I suppose Mr. Brown is ultimately saying that the
"best managed state" would be one in which there remained no problems at
all, and therefore Utah, which is not perfect, is NOT the "best managed
state". Which, since no state is perfect, therefore means that NO state is
the "best state".Gosh! Couldn't he simply have stated
that up front and saved us the whine fest?
Utah needs to keep fighting marriage, no matter the cost. While they're at
it, they need to keep fighting the Feds for the lands that Utah has never had a
claim to. Also, let's cut education. Education will just create liberals.
Two comments.First, most schools in the nation are funded via
property tax. When so much of the state is owned by the feds, the opportunity
to collect that property tax is not there.When I lost my job three
years ago, I got a new job before my unemployment kicked in. That was about 5
weeks. I never collected one dime of unemployment and had to rely on other
sources to pay the bills that month. If you live in Utah, I recommend that you
have one month of income in reserves based upon this experience.
The shortage of skilled workers isn't due to a failure of the education
system, it's due to the success of job-creation. With full employment in a
certain sector, wages go up because of scarcity, which is good for the workers.
The wages for unskilled workers are depressed because there's a flood
of unskilled labor pouring across the southern border. With no lack of scarcity,
wages DO NOT go up. Our nation's dysfunctional immigration policies have
led to an exacerbation of problems at the lower end of the income table. Put
simply, amnesty, whether official or unofficial, equals increased poverty. As for mental illness, isn't that the domain of people's own
family and charities? Why does the state need to pay for your problems? People
say they want the government out of their bedroom, out of their ovaries, out of
their private information, and then they turn over all responsibility for their
lives to the state. The logic of petulant children.
Gary O,I am pretty sure someone who lives in Virginia shouldn't
be doing the evaluating but you sure have a lot of opinions on what happens in
Utah.We have our issues in Utah and we are not perfect, however the
governor should be given a lot of credit for bringing jobs here. If you
don't believe it, go look at all the new businesses at the north end of
Lehi.Just throwing money at issues such as education doesn't
fix problems. New York is a prime example of this. That state spends the most
per student and has some of the worse results.
I believe that Deseret News has failed in this article. A quick check on the
Internet suggests to me that the poverty rate and numbers of people in poverty
are declining. That is according to the reports by the very source quoted in the
article.It makes me wonder if the fact checkers at Deseret News were
asleep when reviewing this article.I may write a more lengthy
rebuttal as a letter to the editor – based on the facts, not based on some
normative position – to this article. I have no horse in this race, I
just do not like to see the Deseret News be manipulated or its readers misled by
a news reporter that got the facts wrong. Of course I also have to check my
facts before I do that, but the facts that I have seen so far lead me to believe
that there is a problem with this article
Larry Brown raises some important questions. Unfortunately, the answers he
provides all have government in them. What happened to private charities as a
reasonable response. Since government has taken over safety nets of every kind,
charities, families and neighbors have stepped back, assuming that government is
there to fill the void.While a basic safety net, particularly for
mental illness may make some some sense, it is not clear to me that in many, if
not most, other cases government programs don't cause more harm than good.
They often cause dependency, keep people from planning ahead, remove freedom and
opportunity by raising tax burdens, and are easy prey for scammers and the
politically well connected to constantly eat at the public program trough.America is about the freedom to pursue happiness. The more we try to
guarantee happiness by fixing outcomes, the fewer Americans there will be who
are able to achieve happiness through their own will and industry.p.s. poverty in this country is wealth in more than half the world. Our
safety net is strong already, perhaps too strong. Let's focus on freedom,
not equality, and we will all be better off.
Head Start is indeed a 50 year old time tested program... and it has failed the
tests. No discernible improvement or difference between children enrolled in
head start and not.Why would any legislature throw more good money after
bad in such a program?
If you've got your hand out and Utah is not filling it with a fistful of
cash, you're going to complain. Is that the purpose of government? Is
government supposed to be your nanny? Is government supposed to pay your bills
(by taxing others to take care of your personal responsibilities)? Is
government supposed to take from those who are willing to work to pay the bills
of those who will not work, who squandered their publicly funded education, who
decided that having sex outside of marriage, taking drugs or breaking any other
social taboos entitled them to feed at the public trough? Make no
mistake about it, those who expect government to be the solution to
society's problems are not concerned about society, but only about
themselves. Either they are paid by the government to not be productive, or
their business is funded by government grants that pay them to demand more from
government and less from the citizens who are responsible for their own welfare.
It has come on the backs of the teachers and our schools and ultimately our
children will be the collateral damage to being the "best managed
Head Start is not a miracle cure for poverty or disadvantaged status. However,
study after study has shown that Head Start provides modest but significant
benefits to the children it serves, when compared to children of similar
socioeconomic backgrounds who did not participate in the program. Head Start is
a relatively inexpensive ounce of prevention that Utah would do well to invest
This article is simply an opinion piece, with some generals flaws. Early
education programs have been proven successful indeed but only for the short
term. The long term studies have proven that these are short term gains that
absolutely vanish by Junior High/ Middle School so that there is absolutely no
difference in grades or success rates for the children who did not attend
preschool/early education programs.I agree that something needs to be done
about the poor in Utah. Although speaking as someone who came close to finishing
a masters degree to become a therapist. All of the studies for decades have
shown that there is a 85% recidivism rate with mental health issues. Meaning 15%
of the people get better if treated. If left untreated the rate is the same 15%
get better. One major reason I bailed out of finishing the Masters Program.
Therapists usually have little or no impact on most. Some people who go in
without problems exit therapy with mental health issues. Some go in with
problems and resolve them. All in all, its a complete wash but costs a lot of
money. The best solution is to create good jobs.
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