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Published: Saturday, July 5 2014 5:30 p.m. MDT

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Meadow Lark Mark
IDAHO FALLS, ID

You go RG I totally agree with your comments. Thank you.

James E
Tooele, UT

"...My ovaries are my business and nobody else's." I think everyone recognizes the hilarious hypocrisy of this statement followed by demanding your employer pay for your abortion drugs. Well, except for these protesters. The price of the fuel to drive from Brigham City could've paid for a month's supply of birth control.

These people are acolytes of the Liberal religion. Too blinded by their faith to see how nonsensical their demands truly are.

JBQ
Saint Louis, MO

This country believes in rights for all. Ms. Anaya has a right to "control her own sex organs". However, she does not have a right to force her views on others. Hobby Lobby was plain in its acceptance of birth control while paying for some 16 of 20 contraceptive procedures. They balked at paying for four which have been construed as a form of abortion. If they were forced by the 4 left wing justices plus another left wing appointee to pay for abortion, then we would become a dictatorship. We are just one vote away.

ute alumni
SLC, UT

pay for your own birth control

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Who cares that twelve people protested the Supreme Court ruling? Doesn't the Deseret News have more important things to do than to create a story from the actions of twelve people? I'm sure that they could easily find thousands who supported that ruling, but they decided that people who were imported into South Jordan to protest was the important thing to report.

How about reporting on how many Americans believe that our religious doctrines cannot be changed by Obama? How about reporting on how many Americans believe that destroying the life of an unborn baby is NOT the duty of an employer and NOT the duty of the government? How about reporting on how many Americans believe that paying for contraception is NOT the responsibility of the employer? How about reporting on how many Americans are totally fed up with a government that has turned decency into a crime and that has turned abortion into a requirement - if you want to run a business?

Make no mistake about it, catering to those who demand that others pay for their sexual activity is obscene and is no business of Obama or of the government
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ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

One comment I read I can fully sympathize with --- regarding consensual intimacy between a married couple. Wonderful, awesome. Still, why is someone else responsible for covering the costs of preventing a pregnancy or a birth?

I recognize that many here have assumed that the noted intimacy was reckless, irresponsible and even immoral and that certainly isn't always the case. But again, this court decision isn't shoving women under the bus, it's not returning us to the stone age, it is simply saying that a business does not have to be financially responsible for all of the private decisions of its employees. As so well stated by others, no one is forcing employees to work for Hobby Lobby -- the minute that happens, there isn't much freedom left.

CBAX
Provo, UT

Do some research. Hobby Lobby does cover some birth control. Just not the type that "control" things after conception.

SuziQ
Springville, UT

1. Why are people so worked up about Hobby Lobby only having to pay for 16 out of 20 types of birth control? Find another job if you are irresponsible enough to not care about prevention rather than damage control after the fact. No one is telling you that you have to get pregnant. There used to be a thing called self-control and responsibility. Are you saying that females are so irresponsible that they can't figure out how to prevent pregnancy? Birth control is widely available, even to minors.

2. Is Hobby Lobby such a large corporation that people have no other choice for jobs and different benefits? Do they pay more than anyone else? Why don't you find another job if you object to their health coverage?

3. The government is mandating a lot of extra health care coverage at a huge cost to corporations and individuals. I now pay $1800 a month for worse coverage than what used to be $1200 a month. I do get birth control though, even though I am menopausal and have had my tubes tied! Thank goodness the government cares more for my ovaries than my wallet.

SuziQ
Springville, UT

It seems ironic to me that the non or anti religious groups that are crying foul want to force their beliefs down everyone else's throats. What if I believe differently? What if I think abortion is killing a fetus? What if I think that if someone isn't responsible enough to try to prevent pregnancy that I shouldn't have to pay for them to eliminate that pregnancy? What if I think someone else's poor choices should not be paid for by me? We aren't talking about eliminating access to choices. We are talking about who has to pay for those choices. The government may say that the corporation will pay, but really each one of us pays for a society that no longer values personal responsibility. We seem to only value personal choice. "My ovaries are my business" is a statement of choice, not responsibility. If it was a statement of responsibility, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

@J Thompson 4:46 p.m. July 6, 2014

And how about the Americans who see the issue clearly and recognize that none of the things you allege in the second paragraph of your comment are happening or have happened.

The government is not trying to change anyone's religious doctrine.

The contraceptives in question in this issue do not terminate the live of an "unborn baby" in the womb or anywhere else -- they at most merely keep a pregnancy from starting, just like nature does for between a third and a half of all fertilized eggs (if you have an issue with that, take it up with nature).

Americans are not having to "pay for contraceptions" -- they are just included as necessary and basic preventative health care medications (reducing death/maiming by preventing unwanted pregnancy/childbirth) available in the insurance coverage that is part of the remuneration for working people.

The government has not "turned decency into a crime and abortion into a requirement".

Nobody is being paid for sexual activity.

I recognize you are just ranting, but there is no truth in what you say.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

You want to abort a baby either by pill or by going in for a "procedure", pay for it yourself.

J-TX
Allen, TX

"I can't think of a better way to spend the day after Independence Day than to exercise our constitutional right to protest," said Chelsea Kilpack, president of the Utah Chapter of the National Organization for Women."

Where is it written in the Constitution that we have a 'right' to protest? I guess in the same section that says we have a 'right' to make others pay for killing our babies.....

Right to lawful assembly? Sure, but that was originally violated by this group. Right to free speech? Sure, even when that speech is misleading and inaccurate, as with this group.

Somebody needs to start reading the Constitution, and not hiding behind it.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

You are right, Jeclar2006,

If my religious beliefs tell me that paying for war is wrong then this ruling says I do not have to pay taxes that go to pay for war. They say this is a narrow ruling, yet it's not. If the owners of hobby lobby have the religious freedom to not pay for things they religiously disagree with, then why not me? Why not anyone? And why would the key to not paying be owning a corporation? It's the religious freedom that is the issue, not the corporation, according to this ruling. Why do the hobby lobby people get more religious freedom then anyone else just because they own a corporation? Logically they shouldn't. I have just as much right as them not to pay for things that are objectionable to my religious belief.

In fact if my religious beliefs tell me that paying ANY taxes is religiously objectionable, then, according to this ruling, I should NOT have to pay them. Again, why do the hobby lobby owners religious beliefs, and freedoms, take precedence over mine? They don't.

This is a terrible ruling.

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihuahua, 00

Not paying for Birth Control is not restricting it.

14Aggie
North Logan, UT

I think the obvious solution is to work somewhere that gives you the benefits you want. I want to work somewhere with tuition reimbursement so I can get my master's degree. I should find an employer that decides that it's something they want to offer based on what they believe. I can still go to school and pay for it myself regardless of what my employer does, that freedom is not taken away from me in any way. I know exactly what I'm getting when I apply. I don't feel like Hobby Lobby's situation is really all that different!

Another point of interest, I could be wrong but it seems to me that it's not Hobby Lobby's employees that are making such a big fuss, but rather those outside the company who aren't even affected by the supreme court's decision.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"it is simply saying that a business does not have to be financially responsible for all of the private decisions of its employees."

Ulvegaard, it is saying nothing of the sort. This ruling does not apply to all businesses, if it did THEN you would be correct. But it doesn't. The ruling is saying that RELIGIOUS people do not have abide by the law; that RELIGIOUS people are exempt from following the law.

If you are NON religious then you STILL have to supply insurance that provides ALL of the contraceptives. This ruling said that a certain subgroup of people get to choose NOT to follow the law, and to specifically determine, for themselves, how they do not want to follow the law.

Let's be clear, the law was NOT requiring ANY of the hobby lobby owners to pay for anyone's birth control, or even insurance. The owners get paid salary and shares. NONE of THEIR money was required to be used for ANY insurance or contraceptives for ANYONE. Their religious freedom was not burdened one iota.

Five SCOTUS justices made a terrible ruling.

TheProudDuck
Newport Beach, CA

If your ovaries are your business (and of course they are), it's your business to pay for what you do with them. My business = my responsibility; your business = your responsibility.

Not one liberal in ten protesting this ruling has a remotely accurate conception of the facts and law involved, nor has read one-tenth of the decision itself.

RBB
Sandy, UT

Does anyone feel like they are having a discussion with a child. "I want it, I want it." "No, I am not going to buy it." "But I want it, I want it." "Then you need to save your money." "But I want it now!" I tell my kids that if you want to be treated like an adult, act like an adult. That means paying your own way. If you want to be an adult and be sexually active - be an adult and pay for it. Keep your employer out of your bedroom and away from your ovaries.

Also, why are opponents repeatedly misstating what it says. As Jeff notes: "So according to the 5 conservative, male, justices on the US Supreme Court, corporations have religious freedom, but women don't." Where do you get that women do not have religious freedom. I am not aware of any religion that believes "thou shalt use birth control paid for by your employer."

What if Congress passed a law requiring businesses to pay 10% of an employee's income to a church, temple or mosque of their choice. Can the business refuse to do so without violating the employee's freedom of religion?

Random
Redlands, CA

It's easy enough to say that all the other kinds are covered, but different birth control types work better at different times of a woman's life. Pills only work well until age 35, with a few caveats thrown in, then it may be time to switch. This is anecdotal to me, but an IUD stopped migraines and cramps. There are other medical reasons to be on a specific kind of birth control.
Funny, I was on the other side of this argument until I realized the relevance to my life.
And those who say, "Quit having sex"? Sure, you tell that to your husband. It's not just young and unmarried women this affects.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"Does anyone feel like they are having a discussion with a child. "I want it, I want it." "No, I am not going to buy it." "But I want it, I want it." "Then you need to save your money." "But I want it now!" I tell my kids that if you want to be treated like an adult, act like an adult. "

Yep. When I read you stating that in relation to this issue it sure does make me feel like I'm talking to a child.

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