@UteologyI've actually just shown you that they're not
true, and you've just helped make my point that it's basically been
impossible for him to convince people of that, even though the numbers are right
there.The next season, Damian (who I actually really like) tested
slower and weaker than Jimmer, and somehow drew Derrick Rose comparisons. How is
it that the technically faster and stronger one is too small and too slow for
the league, but the slower and weaker one gets compared to the most explosive
guy in the league?
It may very well be that the Jimmer situation is precisely why commenting was
invented. It is highly likely the humble Mr. Fredette will never get major
minutes for any NBA team, deserved or not. It is also likely that if he remains
in the league for the next several years, his stats will be quite similar to
what they have been in Sac/Chi ... and on the surface, that isn't all that
bad. But he will continue to be lampooned by those who don't like him and
supported by those that do --- again, why commenting was invented.That he has already made more money than I did in 30+ years as a US Army
Officer also shows that our national priorities are considerably out of whack.
He won't complain about the money, nor about the lampooning. And he will
remain a class act both for detractors and supporters.
Jimmer will end up in Boston.
The fact that Uteology makes negative comments on every single article about
Jimmer just proves that Jimmer really got under his skin in college... by
kicking the Utes trash! Sign him up Jazz, make the Ute fans love him (though
that might be impossible for Uteology)
I went to a Jazz v. Kings game last year. Every time Jimmer got the ball,
supposed Ute fans would boo him. He should be somewhere else than in Salt Lake
City where the animosity level runs high.
I'm disappointed in the Jazz. Sign Jimmer already. He will play for
peanuts, be a public relations bonanza, and he can stretch the floor and shoot
lights out in the 15 minutes he will get per night. Instead they will sign some
no name or John Lucas the III and we the fans will be bored.
@sammyg, et al (aka Jimmer Groupies)It wasn't Utah fans, you
were warned by ESPN analysts like Rick Reilly and Colin Cowherd that he
wasn't NBA worthy:"I hope I'm wrong, but I believe
Jimmer is going to struggle at the next level...he's too small to play
shooting guard, and I'm not sure he has the point guard skills and
instincts to be an NBA starter.""Until he shows more
interest in defense than a blind man has in rainbows, he's going to spend
most of his NBA life sitting on padded folding chairs...you think this barely
6-2 kid with no speed and YMCA hops can be the next Maravich or Ainge or
Westbrook? Fredette about it.""Finally, the Jimmer was
unveiled as 90 percent media creation, 10 percent basketball prodigy...
Laughable. The Jimmer and that hype is done! That guy, trust me, is coming to an
NBA bench near you.""If his last college game is what
he's bringing to the NBA, then I'd say, in five years, he's got a
really good chance to be your Provo area Isuzu dealer."
@BigMagooNarrative by others? You mean analysis by NBA scouts and
team executives? What makes you better at judging NBA talent than them?As of today, your predictions are wrong according to NBA teams who don't
think he's proven to be fast and strong enough in ACTUAL NBA games.The combine numbers were good enough for him to get drafted #10, just
like Kwame Brown. And like Brwon, Jimmer's play in practice and in actual
games, at Sacramento and Chicago, have proven to "not be NBA worthy".Does he deserve another chance? Sure why not, third time's a
U-Pac, et alAnd despite your and your buddies best little temper
tantrums to say he wasn't NBA worthy he WAS drafted and HAS played NBA
basketball and probably will continue to do so.Your obsession with
BYU sports and all things Jimmer is appreciated.
Here is one Ute fan that hopes Jimmer suceeds in whatever he decides to do. But
please Cougars, there is no conspiracy against Jimmer. If he could play at that
elite level, as so many claim, he would be. He's gotten a chance, every day
@UteologySo, my prediction was correct then? You completely ignore
that he's proven to be easily fast and strong enough, and just stick with
the narrative - the narrative that the others have created while also ignoring
that he out-sprinted and out-lifted these other "stronger and more
athletic" guards.Don't get me wrong - he's by no means
perfect. He still needs to work on his defense and needs to limit his TOs. But
he is absolutely big, fast, strong, and skilled enough for the NBA. He's
also still one of the best shooters.In the 4 games before getting
benched by the Kings his rookie season, he got to start, and averaged 16.5 ppg
and shot over 60% from downtown - not bad for a rook. He was finally getting
into a groove, and they ripped that opportunity right away from him. I had never
seen a team do that to a lottery pick before. After that it didn't matter
if he scored 20 points in 10 minutes - he would ride the bench the next game
either way. This is why we say he's gotten screwed so far. I just hope he
gets a real chance next year.
Of course jimmer is still waiting for a call that will never come. On of the
biggest busts since Hoffa
I would like to see Jimmer get some quality minutes and see what he can do. But
I do not feel sorry for him. If he truly wanted to play basketball, he would be
working on his weaknesses daily until they are no longer a weakness. His
athletic ability, quickness and basketball IQ shows he has all the tools to be a
NBA player. My question is does he have the work ethic, discipline, heart and
passion to be better? No question he can shoot. Whoever made the comment that
he can't create his own shot has never watched him play basketball. If you
watch Jimmer in the NBA, he shows no heart. He stands around waiting for things
to happen. He shows no aggression on the court to move and make things happen.
So Jimmer needs to make a decision, go 100% all out when on the court or sit on
the bench or bleachers. It's really his decision.
Drafting Jimmer on to the Jazz roster is the only way this guy would buy tickets
to go to any games. The teamis boring and full of nobodys.
@sammyg: "I think I'll humor myself and watch a Youtube of Jimmer vs. U
of U. It will forever be an all time classic. Just the half court shot was
amazing enough.All time classic? Really?Classic was
when Andre Miller led Utah to the Final 4 in 1998. Thumping defending champions
Arizona and taking down a program like North Carolina in the F4. Every
indication is that Utah is back, I'm not claiming we are at that level.
When BYU got Jimmered last season was a good indicator of where the program is
headed. Also, classic was when we rolled over BYU twice on our way
to thumping #25 Pitt and #6 Alabama."------------------------@sammyg: "I wonder when the U of U will do what the 'fans'
said it would do in football in the PAC 10?"I wonder when BYU
will do what all those 50,000 "Quest" t-shirts said it would do?
Looking at your 2014 schedule BYU has only 2 teams to worry about, beat them and
BYU has a great chance at airport celebrations in late November.
N B A hmmmm.
Welcome to the D League Jimmer!
"The BYU/LDS haters...""The anti-BYU
commenters..."I am not only active LDS, but also a graduate of
BYU and a BYU Fan. There is no requirement of my religion that I love Jimmer.
There is no requirement of my BYU Alumni Association that I love Jimmer.And most importantly, I don't "hate" anyone (except maybe
those who so cavalierly call others "haters").My opinion is
that Jimmer is overrated. That does not mean I hate the guy. I don't think
he has a future in the NBA. I think he was fortunate to have lasted as long as
he has. At most, his value seems to have been to serve as a high-priced practice
mannequin for two NBA teams for the past few years.And for
goodness' sake, just because I don't believe Jimmer is a grate
basketball player does NOT mean that I am a UTE fan! Get real!
Standing ovations in *provo for what he did at *byu. Yay!I
don't recall any standing ovations in Sac-town or Chi-town.
@sammy"He's already done what most Ute fans said he
couldn't... make it to the NBA."I think your disappointment
with Jimmer's career has led you to hyperbole. He was one of the best, if
not the best, college player in the country at one point. I don't know a
single Ute fan who said he wouldn't make it to the NBA. That's nowhere
near "most".There were some Ute fans who said he
wouldn't make it IN the NBA, and unfortunately it seems they were right.
I for one loved watching Jimmer in college and wish him nothing but
the best. I hope he gets another shot in the league.
Brio"Sacramento has (or had) one of the worst coaching staffs in
professional basketball. They make Tyrone Corbin look like a genius in
comparison. My high school coach seemed more competent.Chicago simply had
no room for him when he landed there so late in the season."And
if a next team signs him ,it will be their fault that he can't get off the
bench and so on and so fourth. It's never Jimmers fault, it's always
the teams fault right? Minutes in the NBA aren't given, they are earned.
The Ute obsession for Jimmer is palpable. By the way... Jimmer got
standing ovations up and down the parade route in Provo yesterday.He's already done what most Ute fans said he couldn't... make it to
the NBA. I wonder when the U of U will do what the 'fans'
said it would do in football in the PAC 10?I think I'll humor
myself and watch a Youtube of Jimmer vs. U of U. It will forever be
an all time classic. Just the half court shot was amazing enough.
At least they allowed him to put LDS BULLS on his jersey. Prior to his draft,
this is pretty much where I thought he would be after his first contract. Great
guy, but just dos'nt have the overall skills.
May be time for Jimmer to hit the road to Europe or Aisa. He's a good
player and just needs to find the right team. Either way, he probably made more
money last year than most of us and is a heck of a young man.
@Captain LThe BYU/LDS haters don't have a problem bashing
Jimmer, it isn't based on facts just on hate.---------------You mean like the fact that not a single NBA team would trade for
Jimmer? The fact that everyone, including the Jazz, would love to
have Jabari Parker? Hopefully, Parker signs with the Jazz after his
rookie contract. Maybe by then Jimmer fans have will have excepted reality.
@BigMagooIf the accusations of being to weak or slow are correct,
then what are these 3 all-stars doing in the league? Did they jog through the
combine? The only other explanation is that despite the preconceived notions,
Jimmer is one of the faster and stronger guards in the league.Jimmer
needs a consistent chance, but everybody goes by these untrue accusations about
his athleticism, size, and defense---------BenYou'll have to ask the 29 NBA teams that would not trade with Sacramento
if they are true or not. I just quoted you what was said.
The anti-BYU commenters are so predictable that its almost funny. The is
absolutely nothing Jimmer could do to warrant a positive comment from any of
them. They will never get over the humiliation he laid on their team. Therefore,
their criticisms need to be taken with a grain of salt and then discarded
afterwards.Sacramento has (or had) one of the worst coaching staffs
in professional basketball. They make Tyrone Corbin look like a genius in
comparison. My high school coach seemed more competent.Chicago simply had
no room for him when he landed there so late in the season.Jimmer is
still one of the best shooters in all the NBA. And his defense is rated better
than literally half of the current Jazz roster. On top of that, he's a
genuine class act... unlike many of his detractors. He'll definitely end up
somewhere in the NBA.
With his long-range shooting skill there is a place for Jimmer in the NBA.
Still, I wouldn't play hard to get. Blaming poor teams and bad coaches is
wearing thin. Four coaches on two teams have limited Jimmer's minutes
because of poor defense. That can be fixed. Get it done.
Da Bulls will gladly trade Jimmer, Boozer, Brewer and a couple of draft picks
for the Beard.Y-Ask-Y?,Only in happy valley is Jimmer
overrated. Everybody else knows that he's going to Europe or a coaching job
in Glens Falls or at LPHS.
@UteologySo, the scout said: "Where's the strength?
Where's the foot quickness? Where's the length? He's way down in
the equation physically in the NBA."Here are some combine stats
of him compared to other "athletic" guards that nobody mentions:Jimmer:Bench Press: 14 reps3/4 court sprint: 3.21 secsAgility: 10.42 secsDeron Williams:Bench Press: 15 reps3/4 court sprint: 3.25 secsAgility: 10.83 secsChris Paul:Bench Press: 10 reps3/4 court sprint: 3.22 secsAgility: 11.09
secsDamian Lillard:Bench Press: 13 reps3/4 court sprint:
3.34 secsAgility: 11.15 secsIf the accusations of being to
weak or slow are correct, then what are these 3 all-stars doing in the league?
Did they jog through the combine? The only other explanation is that despite the
preconceived notions, Jimmer is one of the faster and stronger guards in the
league.Jimmer needs a consistent chance, but everybody goes by these
untrue accusations about his athleticism, size, and defense. And when he's
out of the NBA, Ute fans will continue to ignore these facts and stick to the
narrative that the best Cougar ever was too small and slow for the NBA. Now at
least you know.
The BYU/LDS haters don't have a problem bashing Jimmer, it isn't based
on facts just on hate. Jimmer hasn't been given a truely good opportunity
,and if he does get one he will produce, he isn't a great or even a good
defensive player but he's not so bad he can't be used. Those who hate
him ignore the facts, his shooting is among the elite and he just needs a coach
and team that chooses to use him properly. Jimmer can put the ball on the floor
and create both for himself and for others, if he gets the chance he'll
@jazzhaterHe didn't use his stats from China. He just mentioned
that he played in China last year. The stats he used we're from the last
time Telfair was in the NBA--------I stand corrected,
apologies to Dick!
@JinaYi87"So yes, let's compare Jimmer to Telfair's NBA
career; there was a reason Telfair was in China: 47% > 30% from 3."-------------There's a reason why Sacramento
couldn't even get a "bag of chips" for Jimmer, and had to cut him.
I find it funny that Jimmer fans are ripping Telfair, a nine year
NBA veteran whose was traded to (aka whose skill set was in demand by) several
NBA teams during his career.From what I have read Telfair was
brought into OKC to provide more depth at the point guard. As a Jimmer fan you
should already know Jimmer can't play the point. If not let me remind you
what experts have said:"Jimmer Fredette will be in Europe in a
year or two. He has no future in the league. None. He can't create his own
shot, he has a hard time coming off screens for a shot and he's not a point
He didn't use his stats from China. He just mentioned that he played in
China last year. The stats he used we're from the last time Telfair was in
I've said it before, and it will say it again: Jimmer is overrated.
@JinaYi87Is Jimmer NBA quality? Who knows. -----------How about the coaching staff of Kings and Bulls not to
mention most NBA scouts and experts. My bad, Telfair indeed has 10
years of NBA experience averaging about 21 minutes per game as mostly a journey
man. He's a role player, which apparently is in demand in the NBA. We
will see if they think Jimmer is NBA quality in a similar role.But
my statment still holds, Telfair wasn't offered a contract for his game in
China. No idea why Dick used those stats.Cougar Nation, the reason
Jimmer is still a free agent is not due to lack of shooting skills, it's
everything else:“I think Jimmer is a terrific open shooter. He
has an offensive skill-set. He has the desire. [But] Jimmer Fredette has never
shown that he can do all that much in the NBA,” a veteran NBA scout told
Breitbart Sports. Fredette, he explains, lacks the physical attributes required
to play at an elite level in the NBA. “Where’s the strength?
Where’s the foot quickness? Where’s the length? He’s way down
in the equation physically in the NBA.”
This article pinpoints my opinions on the Jimmer situation. He's by no
means an all-star, or a starter, but he's better than a lot of guys in the
league. I hope he gets another shot, Ute fans comments notwithstanding. Oh, Pearl.94 - I'm from Houston and a Rockets fan...your assessment
on the Beard is accurate.
Telfair is not a 13 year veteran: He was drafted in 2004 (Which was only...10
years ago). And has moved teams pretty much every year. OKC is like his 10th
team. So no one really seemed to think he was indispensable. He has had 6 NBA
seasons shooting below 30% from 3. And pretty much no other redeeming qualities.
Not gawdy numbers. So yes, let's compare Jimmer to Telfair's NBA
career; there was a reason Telfair was in China: 47% > 30% from 3. Is Jimmer NBA quality? Who knows. I think it would be cool if OKC picked
him up. I have no idea what Sam Presti is thinking getting Telfair. Awful pickup
in my opinion. I think most of us for OKC would way rather have Jimmer. He could
shore up Sefolosha's dip in shooting.
Jimmer's defense is not as bad as people think. He plays better D than
James Hardin. Somebody needs to give him a decent chance.
The reason Sebastian Telfair got a free agent contract has nothing to do with
his stats from last year in China. It's the fact that he is a
proven 13 year NBA veteran. It seems Dick (aka Jimmer fan) left that fact out
when he tried to compare and validate Jimmer's NBA qualifications. A
better comparison would have been Telfair's NBA career.