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Published: Friday, July 11 2014 11:50 p.m. MDT

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Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

River Falls, WI

1. Top Power 5 teams (i.e. Alabama, Texas, USC)
2. Middle of the road Power 5 teams and outstanding mid-majors (i.e. Washington, BYU, Boise State)
3. Lower tier Power 5 and up-and-coming mid-major (i.e. Utah, UCF, Cincy)
4. The rest.


Yeah I agree with that hierarchy, if we're talking about fanbase and following. Not if that's based on performance.


Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

Heber City, UT

I figured you wouldn't count my source as credible even though it's by a professional writer.

Lafe Peavler is a writer whose job is to provide arguments backed by fact. If he only wrote biased BYU comments, he would be fired. It's his responsibility to provide credible information.


You're putting too much stock into this writer's words. Yes, he is a journalist, which is above the casual blogger. But the piece you refer to (the myth buster slideshow) is a mix of known facts and speculation.

Therefore, you cannot take it as 100 percent fact, like you are.

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

Heber City, UT

you provided no proof that Sunday wasn't an issue. You dodged the topic with random quotes.


Those were not random quotes in the least. They were quotes from league officials specifying the reasons Utah was invited.

If BYU was excluded primarily because of Sunday play, then those officials would not have brought up the criteria they did -- because they wouldn't have mattered.

In other words, if Sunday play kept BYU out, the officials would have cited other reasons for Utah's invite -- like our BCS victories or recent success on the field. The fact that they mentioned academics and standing means they were looking for those accomplishments in potential candidates. And BYU didn't have them.

I will admit that Sunday play may have been a very MILD factor in the decision not to invite BYU... but it was a very small consideration. If P10 really wanted BYU they would have invited them and worked around the Sunday stipulation. If Utah had a No Sunday Play policy, the P10 still would've invited them -- because we met the overall criteria of what they were looking for.

Las Vegas, NV

Hey if you hurry, you can still get tickets for $7 for byU's senior day game!

Independence is indeed lucrative.

East Salt Lake City, Utah

River Falls, WI

RE: Tomahawk Red

"So what's your point?..."

Thank you for posting a reasonable account of both BYU and Utah's standing in the national picture. My post was in response to Uteology who was indeed insinuating that Utah has more national esteem than BYU.


I wasn't the one claiming BYU brings more to the table than Utah and Colorado. That's your fanbase, including Dick Harmon when he went on ESPN and nearly cried when Utah was invited.

The national picture is pretty much:

1. SEC, PAC-12, Big 12, Big 10, ACC, Notre Dame

West of I15, UT


"I wonder when the Utes and fans will finally start acting like a real P5 football team and fanbase.

They've gotten worse since the MWC days.

They sure seem conflicted about who they are and how they play."

Sammy this may or not be true but either way the cougies have lost to the utes every year you're reffering to so what does that say about them recently following MWC days?

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

I think there's a real advantage to the regular season scheduling. BYU has done a nice job of putting together their schedule(s). The down side of Independence is the bowl choices, or lack there of. Tied into a low, low tier bowl game, in Miami, before the season ever starts has to be a real downer. Win 6, 8 or 11 and that's the destination vs the American Conference Champ.

As far as BYU not getting a Power 5 conference invite, others have nailed it. No one is going to accept a team who comes into the league, not willing to comprimise TV rights. Utah had to make concessions when they joined the PAC 12. Plus no one wants a team dictating what days they will and will not play on.

andrews afb, MD

@ Red Tomahawk

"most BYU fans"

Stereotype alert! Maybe most BYU fans that frequent comment boards or sports forums. I personally love independence.

I don't need to travel to mecca..I mean Utah to watch a game live.

I hope they stay Independent. I think some fans are obsessed about National Championships (Probably BYU fans in Utah that have to deal with their Ute neighbors).

I would bet that a huge amount / most BYU fans don't even live in Utah. If that is the case why wouldn't they be happy about BYU being Independent? They have a much greater probability watching BYU live near where they live with BYU being Independent.

I can't wait till their game in Maryland in 2 years vs. WVU. I am already planning on going to that game.

Provo, UT

For those telling me I'm not a "true fan", I return the accusation:

Does a "true fan" settle for irrelevance? Does a "true fan" support and appreciate error, mediocrity, and failure"?

Or does a true fan hope for the best for his team, and aspire to success and achievement in a relevant and legitimate context?

I say YOU people are not the true fans.

Highland, UT

@y ask y

A real fan doesn't whine incessantly, constantly cut his supposed team down and generally behave in the manner you do. I don't believe for a minute that you are a BYU fan.

Being critical of the way things are being done or the results are one thing but I've read enough of your posts to know that isn't all you do. You consistently seek to cast the school and program in a bad light and that is what utah "fans" do, not BYU fans.

So prove yourself if you are really a BYU fan, say something good just one time about BYU and its program, something optimistic and something that convinces us you actually are a fan and not another utah troll. You don't have to be unrealistic or even be happy about how things currently are, I know I'm not satisfied at all currently, but at least say something good about the place occasionally. Outside of that no one believes a word of what you say.

Heber City, UT

@Tomahawk Red

"But the piece you refer to (the myth buster slideshow) is a mix of known facts and speculation.

Therefore, you cannot take it as 100 percent fact, like you are."

That is a very reasonable comment. I agree, except for the part about me taking it as 100% fact. I will admit I may have come across like I believed too strongly in it, but I too understand that it is primarily speculation.

However, there is a whole lot more speculation that Sunday play left BYU out of the PAC-12 than this one article. Sunday play being an issue has been mentioned several times by several people, including very well educated ones like Greg Wrubell. Generally, when he says a certain thing is going on, he has more of an inside scoop than most others.

I have heard zero speculation that sunday play was not an issue except from red-goggled ute fans.

So yes, it is not 100% fact, and I apologize if I gave that vibe. But there is still some pretty strong evidence to suggest it is true.

Heber City, UT

@Tomahawk Red

"Those were not random quotes in the least. They were quotes from league officials specifying the reasons Utah was invited."

Yes, they were random quotes. The topic I was discussing with this ute fan was whether Sunday play factored in to BYU's not being invited into the Pac-12.

Yes, they were indeed quotes from league officials specifying the reasons utah was invited. And not a single one said "they were willing to play on sundays" or anything of that matter.

They referred to utah's academics, which is great. utah's academics are very well respected. But they have nothing to do with Sunday play. In fact, BYU's academics standards are much higher and a degree from BYU (outside of the medical field) is generally higher respected than one from utah. Again, I'm not trying to slam utah as a school. They do a great job. But their academic prestige is certainly not the reason they were chosen over BYU.

It may have been the type of academics (research institution) but not the quality of education that is better than BYU's.

Heber City, UT

@Vegas Ute

"Hey if you hurry, you can still get tickets for $7 for byU's senior day game!

Independence is indeed lucrative."

I'm gonna take a guess that you are looking at the seats way at the top in the corner.

Because even against Savannah State, we will get around 50,000 to 55,000 fans (by the way, more than utah will get even when Oregon comes to town), so most of the available seats are in the corners.

So $7 is nowhere near the average ticket price even against Savannah State.

P.S. what is the price for corner seats for the Idaho State game?

I don't know the answer but I bet it's either less than $7 or not a whole lot more.

This has nothing to do with how lucrative independence is. It has to do with corner seats against an FCS team.

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

Hey angry Ute fans. Could it be that BYU's independence is the best option for right now? Could it be that the only thing better would be a P5 invite/match?

There's nothing in this article that contradicts the players enjoying traveling to various football venues with them knowing that being in a P5 conference would be the ultimate goal for the program.

Quit trying to build arguments where there are none. Sheesh.

Go Indy (for now) BYU!

Bluffdale, UT

It's frustrating when we critique the management of our program and other fans assume we are Utes. We are not all blind.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Taysom4Heisman

Utah sets single game ticket prices based on demand. Utah had a 99% season renewal rate, and ISU is the season opener so it's my guess that the minimum face value for a ticket to that game will be between $30-$45 dollars.

Salt Lake City, Utah


Utah isn't capable of filling a 65,000 seat stadium, which is why RES remains at 45,000 THIRTY years after LES was expanded.

If you factor in the several thousand tickets Utah gives away to students, Utah's average ticket price is significantly lower than BYU's.

btw, BYU students also pay student fees, but they also pay $110 to $180 for a ROC (formerly All Sports) Pass to attend BYU football games.

Salt Lake City, Utah


There's nothing wrong with critiquing the program, but when that critique is incessantly negative about everything and everybody associated with the program, it does raise a red flag about where your true allegiance lies.

West Point , UT

I swear reading these comments is like watching the 104th ranked middle weight take on the 106th ranked middle weight for UFC bragging rights. Entertaining? Yes. Relevant? No.

Independence or PAC12 irrelevance is still irrelevance. No one in the PAC12 cares about Utah, and no one outside Utah or the lds community cares about BYU...deal with it (and I'm a BYU fan who is just realistic). I'm heading to the SEC boards...I'll rejoin when the season starts and there isn't the same pointless drivel and "my dad can beat up your dad" nonsense. Seriously, I'm so over this rivalry.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Uteanymous

I disagree. I believe there are a few games this year where Utah would pull 65,000 if RES had the capacity. I don't know what you mean by give away, but during my time at the U, a MUSS ticket rose in price from $25 dollars to $50 dollars. if you have a non-student guest, they pay the full season ticket price.

BTW, BYU students pay a heavily subsidized tuition, so i don't feel bad if they have to pay a little extra for an all sports pass.

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