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Published: Friday, July 11 2014 11:50 p.m. MDT

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Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Uteology

“To get an idea of BYU’s national pull: Saturday, August 31 299k 3:30 PM BYU Virginia ESPNU…”

I love that you picked this single game to support your claim that BYU has a small national audience. Here are a few details you failed to point out…

1. The BYU/Virginia game had a two hour rain delay.
2. Utah’s most viewed game in 2013 was vs. BYU, no other game was even close.
3. BYU had 1.29 million viewers vs. Texas, 1.97 vs. Boise State, 2.18 m vs. Wisconsin, 2.29 m vs. Notre Dame, and 3.75 m vs. Washington. Two of those games were on Friday but still pulled in huge viewership.
4. BYU had 13.9 million total tv viewers last season, Utah had 3.3 million (according to Nielsen’s ratings). Nielsens didn’t include the non-national games… which was roughly half Utah’s schedule so that comparison isn’t completely accurate. I would guess it was closer to 5 million total viewers (and would love it if any Utah fan could give me actual numbers for their conference games).

Surf is Up
Miami, FL

The frequent flier miles will definitely pile up. But traveling that often will likely result in some losses that normally wouldn't happen. Travel can be purgatory.

Wow. I see a lot of posts from all of you usual suspects who have almost all claimed repeatedly that you have "moved on" from BYU. But as always it seem that U have been unable to move on. Instead you incessantly post negatives to all things BYU.

I guess the utes occupation of the bottom slots of the PAC12 have U guys flailing to convince yourselves there is a bright of superiority somewhere in your U-niverse.

Don't U believe it. Its just a mirage.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Regardless of how Utah fans try to cook the books, Utah's athletic program is losing money and has to be subsidized by a school which already has millions in deferred maintenance to deal with.

ekute

Even Utah fans have admitted that the primary and secondary reasons that Utah and Colorado were invited to the PAC had absolutely nothing to do their mediocre football programs, which has become abundantly clear in the last three years.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Wiscougarfan

Stop confusing Uteology with numbers that don't support his biased, crimson-colored version of the world.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Wiscougarfan

The rain made BYU world-wide TV audience stay away? Boy are you guys fickle fans.

It wasn't about Utah, it was about BYU's world-wide audience.

Nope, the viewership was high because of Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas, and Boise State, not BYU.

The Friday time slot vs Boise State on ESPN 2, again BYU had the lowest ratings:

vs Fresno 2.12M
vs Air Force 2.0M
vs BYU 1.9M

Wisconsin 3:30 on ESPN:

vs Penn State 2.2M
vs BYU 2.1M
vs Minn 1.8M

I will let you do the research for Texas and Notre Dame.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

RE: Uteology

“To get an idea of BYU’s national pull: Saturday, August 31 299k 3:30 PM BYU Virginia ESPNU…”

I love that you picked this single game to support your claim that BYU has a small national audience.

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I guess you missed the part where I compared your other 3 ESPNU games to the 64 other games on ESPNU? Let me quote myself again:

Out of 64 games on ESPNU:

BYU at Virgina was ranked #42 in ratings
Middle Tennessee at BYU #41
BYU at Georgia Tech #33

redthunder
Ogden, UT

I do not envy BYU (the fans and administrators). BYU is in quite the pickle. Indepence isn't working out so great and BYU's only hope to join a P5 conference isn't a good one. The Big XII has problems. The Big XII is more of a hegemony than a conference. Texas is king and gets as much of the pie as they want while the other teams get to scramble over the leftovers. Just happy that my team is in the comfortable confines of the Pac 12.

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

Cougs4Life
Gilbert, AZ

Utah has yet to earn a full revenue share. Colorado got a full share from day 1?

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I read this and wonder, what is your point? Are you getting at something? If so, please get to it.

But you're not. You're trying to claim (ridiculously) that Utah is foolish for joining the conference on a graduated financial scale. Well I got news for you. That's how it's done in most cases. I don't know whether Colorado did or didn't do that, but they did have to pay a ton to get out of the Big XII. Utah did not. Nebraska's financial transition to the Big Ten was worse than either, as are all of the other teams that have switched conferences.

If we're talking financially, Utah BY FAR got the best deal in joining their new conference. They had to WAIT for their revenue, but didn't have to pay a dime. Everyone else was forced to pay millions.

And the worst part for you is, most BYU fans would agree to give up five years of revenue if it got them into the Big XII.

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

Darren Rowe
Heber City, UT

And this is from 2012 by the way, when BYU was playing Idaho and New Mexico State in November.

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Well I guess we can safely say it will be about the same for 2014. Savannah State and UNLV.

LOL

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Wisconsin

Okay, I was bored. Lets ignore the Texas game since it rained and apparently BYU fans are fickle so their world-wide audience doesn't tune in.

Notre Dame on NBC, again lowest ratings was BYU. Even Temple 2.5 M viewers beat out BYU 2.29 M? No! How can that be?

Georgia Tech 3:30 on ESPNU:

Miami 857 K
Pitt 362 K
BYU 358 K
Duke 161 K

Saved by Duke from having the lowest ratings.

I can go on but I think you get the point.

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

The fact that most of BYU's games are on ESPN, while most of Utah's games are on the PAC net, says it all.

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Right, Uteology... what are you doing coming in here with stats and facts?

Don't you know that ambiguous and scantly-supported speculation is how Y fans roll? BYU showing up on ESPNU and ESPN 5 every Thursday and Friday night is the real proof of who's the better team.

Every now and then, there's a Y fan remark that I literally sit and shake my head at and wonder if they know anything at all. And this is definitely one of them.

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

scott
Alpine, UT
I find in amusing that 5 years after the fact, Utah fans are still trying to justify Utah's invitation to the PAC.

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Only to BYU fans, because you guys can't stop bringing it up.

We made it. You didn't. Accept it. Move on.

ekute
Layton, UT

Cougs4Life,
Colorado made a lateral move, P5 conference to P5 conference.

No doubt one of the stumbling blocks for byu is that in the unlikely event that inclusion was ever considered by the P5 holmoe would arrogantly insist on full membership from day one.

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

BYU had 13.9 million total tv viewers last season, Utah had 3.3 million (according to Nielsen’s ratings).

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So what's your point? Is there even a single Utah fan here claiming that Utah has a bigger or more national fanbase than BYU? I don't think anyone really believes that.

Utah is limited to regional appeal and a very very small national reach. BYU has regional appeal with a larger national reach. But BYU is certainly not a national "brand" as so many of you claim. A national brand is Alabama, Texas, USC, Notre Dame, even Penn State. Very few teams are national brands... and BYU isn't among them.

Yes, BYU has a decent national footprint. Utah does not. But that doesn't make BYU a national brand, like Coca-Cola.

Utah fans bringing up TV numbers is absolutely relevant because it is an argument against Y fans' "national brand" claim. Thus, proper reply to that is not, "Well, look at Utah's TV numbers."

Because no one is claiming Utah has more viewers than BYU. The argument is BYU is not THAT strong nationally.

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

Surf is Up
Miami, FL

I guess the utes occupation of the bottom slots of the PAC12 have U guys flailing to convince yourselves there is a bright of superiority somewhere in your U-niverse.

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No flailing at all among Ute fans. We know for a fact that Utah is superior to BYU. And most BYU fans know it, too.

4 in a row
9 of 12
54-10
Pac 12

Beatdown complete.

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah
@Wiscougarfan

The rain made BYU world-wide TV audience stay away? Boy are you guys fickle fans.

It wasn't about Utah, it was about BYU's world-wide audience.

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Exactly like I said.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Tomahawk Red

"So what's your point?..."

Thank you for posting a reasonable account of both BYU and Utah's standing in the national picture. My post was in response to Uteology who was indeed insinuating that Utah has more national esteem than BYU. As both he/she and you have pointed out, in the national picture it is pretty much...

1. Top Power 5 teams (i.e. Alabama, Texas, USC)
2. Middle of the road Power 5 teams and outstanding mid-majors (i.e. Washington, BYU, Boise State)
3. Lower tier Power 5 and up-and-coming mid-major (i.e. Utah, UCF, Cincy)
4. The rest.

Taysom4Heisman
Heber City, UT

@MyPerspective

I figured you wouldn't count my source as credible even though it's by a professional writer.

Lafe Peavler is a writer whose job is to provide arguments backed by fact. If he only wrote biased BYU comments, he would be fired. It's his responsibility to provide credible information.

As for your criteria, of course Sunday play wasn't involved for other schools. They already ruled BYU out and Sunday play is not any kind of issue for any other school. Sunday play was involved with BYU. But I think it's obvious that Sunday play would not be a criteria when considering any other school.

Regarding your quotes, those do nothing to prove Sunday wasn't an issue. It just said the Pac-12 was excited to have utah.

What do you expect them to say? "We don't really like utah, I don't know why we added them.". Of course they say they're excited to have them. It's like when coaches say they believe that a 2-star walk on could be a future star.

Once again, you provided no proof that Sunday wasn't an issue. You dodged the topic with random quotes.

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

ekute
Layton, UT

No doubt one of the stumbling blocks for byu is that in the unlikely event that inclusion was ever considered by the P5 holmoe would arrogantly insist on full membership from day one.

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Already happened with the Big XII. In fact, BYU arrogantly demanded more than that.

The conference considered BYU when they needed to get back to 10 teams, brought BYU into the discussion, and Holmoe promptly proceeded to act like he was the Texas Longhorns.

Something to the effect of, "Your conference is in real trouble right now... unstable and uncertain. You need BYU. We're a national brand. We will save this conference. We have fans all over the world! So if you really want us, it's gonna cost you! FULL membership from day one, PLUS we don't have to share a dime of our own TV revenue, and we keep all of our broadcast rights. That's the deal. Take it or leave it."

Big XII said, "leave it"... and promptly extended an invite to TCU.

Now Holmoe and administrators leap at every opportunity to deny this happened because it was such a monumental embarrassment.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

As far as Bowl game vs Washington, it had a rating of 2.3, #18 out of 36 bowls games.

2011: Utah-GT had a 2.71 rating (CBS) and BYU-Tulsa 1.43
2010: Utah-Boise 3.78 and BYU-UTEP 2.11
2009: Utah-Cal 2.81 and BYU-OrgState 2.58

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