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Published: Friday, July 11 2014 11:50 p.m. MDT

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WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

esodije
ALBUQUERQUE, NM
Have to agree with IQ92. BYU would be stupid to make a national championship the goal of its football program; at the very least, the type of players it would have to recruit and the rules it would have to break to attract them to Provo (and keep them there), aren't worth the fool's gold that a NC represents. Independence, and the fact that almost all of the Y's games are on TV (ESPN, BYUtv, even NBC), solidified my status as a Cougs fan, and I know many others like me. (The only games I haven't been able to watch are the away games with the stupid PAC12, whose sports network is practically a pay channel unto itself.) How would I feel if the Y joined th4e Big 12? If it would mean that the Cougs wouldn't be on TV, I'd say to heck with it.

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Any way you cut it, ESPN BYUtv and even NBC are pay channels. By way of Direct TV, Comcast or other, those channels are not free.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

C'mon moderators. You let this through on the Harvey Langi story, but you won't allow something much gentler on this one? Please explain.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT
At this point I can't decide which outcome will bring me more laughs and amusement. If he comes to BYU the utah "fan" reaction will probably be even more hilarious than the speculation reaction has been, but if he stays at utah we are then going to hear about how great he is and a million other contradictions and funny pieces of hypocrisy. Frankly either is a win but the truth is it has already been a win. I can't remember the last thread that was this much fun.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

I prefer Independence. We don't have to play the same teams year after year. We also have opportunities to play all over the country.

I still would enjoy having some associations such as ND had with the Big East and now has with the ACC. I would like seeing BYU affiliate with the B12 in such a way. Play five games a year, one neutral NFL stadium game, two home and two road games. Rotate through the schedule so that the stadium game is different each year, and play each team once every other year.

I want to see Army and Navy on the schedule.

I want to see BYU go after the best teams from the minor conferences. UCF and Houston/USU and Boise State/MTS fit the bill this year for three conferences. Get Northern Ill and/or Ball State on the schedule.

Taysom4Heisman
Heber City, UT

@MyPerspective

Ok, I have no idea where you heard that Sunday play was not an issue for BYU getting into the Pac-12, but it was. Look it up anywhere you like. The Pac-12 did not want to move their schedules to avoid Sundays, so they immediately ruled BYU out, along with the fact that we are not a research institution.

@Crow

Yes, I know utah makes more revenue than BYU. I already mentioned that in my last comment. I said BYU GENERATES more revenue. According to reports (which I know are not necessarily accurate), BYU generates about 7 or 8 million dollars and they keep that money. No more, no less. utah generates about 5 million but they will make about 20 million because of their Pac-12 membership.

And yes, it's true BYU doesn't sell out all of our games, but we still averaged 59,000 people per home game last year. I think we all know utah had a lot less people than that, and therefore a lot less revenue.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Taysom4Heisman
Heber City, UT

"Ok, I have no idea where you heard that Sunday play was not an issue for BYU getting into the Pac-12, but it was. Look it up anywhere you like. The Pac-12 did not want to move their schedules to avoid Sundays, so they immediately ruled BYU out, along with the fact that we are not a research institution."

I never heard that Sunday play was not an issue, not from a credible source. Your statement of fact does not a credible source make. I know exactly where you heard that Sunday play was an issue...byu fans made it up after Dick Harmon printed an emotional article proclaiming the Pac-10 presidents and chancellors to be bigots. byu fans began to attribute their misfortune to Sunday play and, as with most things byu, speculation repeated becomes an absolute fact. .

Again, the Pac-10 presidents and chancellors were very clear about the criteria to be met and Sunday play was never part of the equation. Desperate and emotional byu fans made that up.

That said, you talk like you have a credible source. Provide it, and I will happily read it.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Taysom4Heisman

So I don't know where you guys thought my comments were wrong, but the numbers prove BYU generates more revenue through TV, ticket sales, etc. than utah or colorado.

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Show us the numbers.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Cougs4Life
Gilbert, AZ

"ESPN isnt a charitable organization. Like any successful business, they make investments that provide a return. If they didn't make more in ad revenue than they paid, they would renegotiate the contract. Based on all athletic revenue, including TV ad revenue with ESPN, BYU can generate more than Utah or Colorado. Would ESPN give a contract to every team if they were independent? No.

So, according to you, byu adds value because ESPN said so. Applying the same logic, you must agree that Utah adds value and is a Pac-10 caliber institution...because the Pac-10 said so. Who are you to argue with the Pac-10 / 12?

And that, Cougs4Life, is the reason we like our Pac-12 stickers!

Bob
Santaquin, UT

What??? The players can't have their own opinions???

Darren Rowe
Heber City, UT

@Uteology

"Show us the numbers."

I would be happy to.

I have tried to provide URL's on my comments before, and they are always denied.

But if you google "byu football revenue", the first result is an article by Deseret News on January 8, 2013.

In the article, it clearly states that BYU generated $22.4 million in revenue with a $7.41 million profit. utah grossed $20.7 million with a $5.9 million profit.

Which is exactly what I said in my previous comment. Once again, I actually back up my comments with facts, rather than throwing out whatever random idea pops into my head.

And this is from 2012 by the way, when BYU was playing Idaho and New Mexico State in November.

greatbam22
andrews afb, MD

@ Y Ask Y

"I will not return to the Cougar Club and full support of BYU athletics until we have a home in a legitimate Conference."

Enjoy your free time. :)

Taysom4Heisman
Heber City, UT

@MyPerspective

"That said, you talk like you have a credible source. Provide it, and I will happily read it."

I would be more than happy to give you a source.

Like I said in my last comment, I have never been able to post URL's. They get denied.

However, google "pac 12 doesn't want byu because of sunday play". The third result is an article by Lafe Peavler on Deseret News, from June 11, 2014.

It says that both Sunday play and BYU not being a research institution contributed to our exclusion from the Pac-12.

I know Lafe is not necessarily an inside source with the Pac-12. But his job is to write articles with some credible facts to back it up. I think we can trust there is some truth to it.

And by the way, you also talk like you have some credible sources that Sunday play was not an issue. You also sound like an expert on the Pac 10 presidents' criteria to add 2 new teams.

Give me a source and I will happily read it, my friend.

As always, I back up my statements with fact, unlike quite a few other people.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Cougs4Life

TCU and West Virgina do not have full share of revenues in the Big 12 as well. So what's your point?

ESPN also has a contract with Boise State. No P5 league is bending over backwards to add either BYU or Boise State.

To get an idea of BYUs national pull:

Saturday, August 31 299K 3:30 PM BYU Virginia ESPNU

* Third lowest TV ratings in that time slot
* Lowest viewership vs Virginia on ESPNU (compared to 3 other games)
* Out of 64 games on ESPNU, ranked #42 in ratings (MT @ BYU #41 and BYU @GT #33)

Why so low? Where's your world-wide audience?

MurrayMike
Murray, UT

@ Michael Romeny

Yeah like good ole Utah is relevant in the Pac10+2 right? Count on another 5-7 or even 4-8 season. Write it down!

Taysom4Heisman
Heber City, UT

Sorry, one of my comments was under the screen name "Darren Rowe".

That is the screen name I used to use, but I typically use this one now. I just forgot to change it. Same person though!

@Uteology

Do you want to know why the Virginia game got such low ratings? There was a 2 hour rain delay, and the game got moved off of ESPNU. Of course it had low ratings. The game wasn't even going on when most people thought it was.

As for the Georgia Tech game, that is not a great rating, but it's respectable. But do you really expect us to get a high rating playing MTSU? I think Alabama vs. MTSU would have a pretty bad rating.

So one of the games has a decent rating, while the other two have very legitimate explanations for having bad ratings.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Taysom4Heisman
Heber City, UT

"...article by Lafe Peavler on Deseret News, from June 11, 2014."

So, your credible source is another byu fan? Thought so. Now, please show me where the Pac-10 presidents and chancellors said they were looking for an institution that would play on Sunday.

Here's what the Pac-10 said...

Pac-10 criteria in order:
1) Academics
2) Research
3) Athletic prowess
-Athletics press conference, June 17, 2010

"The U's Pac-10 affiliation is an affirmation by the Pac-10 universities of the University of Utah's standing as a leading American university, also a condition for Pa-10 membership and without which judgment, the invitation would never have been extended."
-David P. Gardner, President Emeritus of the University of California Education System

"With the additions of Utah and Colorado, the Pac-10 is joined with the two most prestigious institutions in the Rocky Mountains."
-Larry Scott, June 17, 2010

I'm sorry, Taysom4Heisman, in no way was Sunday play a condition of Pac-10 membership. byu fans made that up and repeated it until it became a fact.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Darren Rowe

In the article, it clearly states that BYU generated $22.4 million in revenue with a $7.41 million profit. utah grossed $20.7 million with a $5.9 million profit.

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The article was referring to data from U.S Department of Education.

No idea how Deseret News got $22.4 million revenues for BYU in 2012, revenues that year were only $18.6 million.

Here's the latest reported data from Utah/Colorado (2013) and BYU did not report 2013 data:

Colorado Football Revenues (reporting year 7/1/2012 - 6/30/2013): $30,547,707

Utah Football Revenues (reporting year 7/1/2012 - 6/30/2013): $27,640,267

BYU Revenues (reporting year 1/1/2012 - 12/31/2012): $18,639,413

Note that unlike Colorado and BYU, Utah only had partial share of the TV revenues last season.

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

Uteology

Your other biased, cherry-picked, "number crunching" is meaningless.

The fact that most of BYU's games are on ESPN, while most of Utah's games are on the PAC net, says it all.

scott
Alpine, UT

I find in amusing that 5 years after the fact, Utah fans are still trying to justify Utah's invitation to the PAC.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

Uteology

Your other biased, cherry-picked, "number crunching" is meaningless.

The fact that most of BYU's games are on ESPN, while most of Utah's games are on the PAC net, says it all.

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After 40+ years of discussions and BYU still begging to Big 12 for an invite, says it all.

ekute
Layton, UT

What's amusing is cougar "fans" desperately discrediting Utah as reason why byu should be included while completely ignoring the elephant in the room(byu can't beat Utah head to head).

Even at les the cougars are 3-7 vs the Utes the last 20 years. lol.

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