While most agree that the status of Gitmo should be resolved that does not mean
it will be. Despite the rhetoric Congress seems content with the status quo on
a range of issues both sides agree need to resolved -- Gitmo, immigration,
infrastructure, and tax reform to name a few. Expecting Congress to take on
anything harder than designating National Pickle Week is foolish and naive.
EsquireThe Bergdhal trade was good? Releasing terrorists to attack
us again someday is the right thing to do? Yeah, that makes sense. In
Wonderland. Which brings me to the main point, this war is not over. Al Queda
and other Muslim terrorist organizations have not declared peace. These
terrorists should be kept in prison as long as the people they worked for
continue to wage terror war against everyone.
There will always be terrorism. We do it, they do it. Fact of life.There is also going to be endless wars. We do it, they do it.However, we could try to set an example by controlling terrorism and engaging
in endless war with a nod to legal and treaty standards. We are not doing that
now. They don't either.We are truly a nation of laws, and,
once upon a time, a nation with a moral compass. Its time to find that compass
again, and follow what we know to be the right way of doing things. Until that
time we are just another bully, rogue nation, not different from Iran, North
Korea, Russia or the other horribles out there.
Try them in military courts either release or execute them, but keep the land in
Cuba, just to rub it in Castro's face. Who knows when the Republicans take
over they might want to use the prison to house the current administration and
@ 2 bits, the voices on the right on this are loud (McCain, Graham, etc.). But
as I said, I would tell the Dems the same thing. The Dems who say no are being
bullied by the screams of the GOP/Fox/Rush crowd, and they lack courage to do
what's right. This editorial has it right.
ISIS, AlQaeda, etc, don't have this problem. They don't have a GITMO.
They just execute prisoners on the spot when captured. Remember the beheading
of even innocent truck drivers and contractors they suspected of being
sympathetic with infidels? Today in Iraq you can be executed
without trial for even being suspected of being the wrong branch of Islam. I
suspect an American captured would get the same treatment (unless they could use
them for awhile for media attention and money).It's hard to
have a GITMO when you execute your prisoners on the spot. So maybe... having a
GITMO is not 100% a bad thing. At least it indicates we have a little humanity
left. At least we don't just execute them without a trial on the spot.
@LDS Liberal: "We are no longer at 'war.'"Not
true, Jihadists are fighting just as hard now as ever. Look at what's
happening now in Iraq if you don't believe it. The only difference is...
they call themselves ISIS and ISIL now. Besides, the war on terror will never
end until the last radical Islam is captured and sent to Gitmo... or dispatched
some other way."If you ever want OUR POWs released, then we must
play by the same rules."Barack Hussein Obama has an
alternative... trade our guys for terrorists something on the order of the five
terrorists that were just released in exchange for the captured American
To those who think it's just Republicans keeping GITMO from closing (LDS
Liberal, Esquire, etc)....Democrats had the White House AND a
Super-Majority for 2 years... why didn't they do it? Remember... There was
nothing Republicans could do to stop them...And why did Democrats
vote it down (with help from Republicans)?Could it be they know
something the rhetoric mongers on MSNBC DON'T know?==============IF you want the REAL story... go to PolitiFact (not
Chris Mathews or Rachel Maddow).Even the Huffington Post knows the
real story... Google "Senate Votes To Block Funds For Guantanamo
Closure" and read their article. This is the first paragraph..."WASHINGTON — In a rare, bipartisan defeat for President Barack
Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to keep the prison at
Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid the transfer of any
detainees to facilities in the United States.Democrats lined up with
Republicans in the 90-6 vote that came on the heels of a similar move a week ago
in the House"....See... not just Republicans (unless there are
only 6 DEMOCRATS and 90 Republicans in the Senate)...
Open the Gates and let them out in Cuba. Then we will have a place to put all
those crossing the southern border illegally. Great medical and housing
facilities already prepared. One night when all is quiet pull out our people
and leave the gates open.
EsquireOnce again. I am not a Republican. I despise them as much as
the Democrats. Who made the rule that I have to be for one party or the other?
I'm not even on the Bird. But I am smart enough to know that the Globalist
control both parties in the United States. I know any talk about closing
Guantanimo Bay is just talk as long as the Globalist are in power.
We could do like Vietnam where we declared victory and went home. Here all that
we have to do is declare victory, which Obama has already done, and let them all
go home to fight another day. That seems to be what we are headed for.
@ Anti Bush-Obama, you can't be serious. This is much more than a partisan
political issue or a reason to attack the current President. Republicans have
fought resolution of this and threatened the President over moving prisoners
(remember the proposal to move them to federal prisons?). The GOP was mad
because of the recent prisoner exchange. I don't care what the
rationalization is, this problem needs to be finally resolved. And to the
extent any Democrats side with the GOP on this issue, I will say the same to
them. Obama has wanted resolution for some time and the Washington
establishment has said no. Cheap shots at the President serve no purpose
Never going to Happen as long as the current Government is in power. All they
will do is just talk about closing it or close it and relocate it. Get the
globalist out of power and it will really close.
"...In our opinion: Fate of the Guantanamo Bay prison needs to be resolved
promptly...".Or at least not until the Republicans have milked
this issue for all its political worth.
Let's get the Military Tribunals going and get the bad guys taken care of.
Then we can close Gitmo until we need it again.
@LDS Liberal,You REALLY think Terrorists have called a truce???You really do have a strange (partisan inspired) sense of reality.=====Truth is... even if we withdraw our military... nothing
is over. Terrorists are STILL looking for ways to harm infidels, especially
Americans and Jews.If you weren't aware of that fact... you
need to get a better news source.The people these detainees worked
with in that past (and they people they would work with again IF released) have
THIS VERY WEEK renewed their threats and desires to harm Americans anywhere and
anytime they can! It's NOT OVER!========You can go
back to your pre-9/11 mentality and presume nothing's going on, because
your hero has calmed everything... but these recent threats are specifically
aimed at Obama (not Bush). So at least in THEIR minds... NOTHING has
changed.YOU can pretend it's over now... but it's not.
Not by ANY stretch of the partisan imagination.So go ahead and quote
your rhetoric and the Geneva Convention... but this is different. These are NOT
POWs. The conflict with AlQueda isn't over. It will NEVER be over (for
Re: "Many of the issues surrounding the legal status of the Guantanamo
detainees remain unsettled."No they don't. The legal status
of persons detained on the battlefield fighting against America is absolutely
clear. Has been all along. There's not the slightest legal doubt.It's the political status of reckless, feckless liberal politicians that
is here at issue. And that issue is best presented as, "When will they lie
down and accept the status of political carrion that they've so carefully
earned and so richly merit?"
@BrentBotSalt Lake City, UTWhy should we treat these
combatants any differently than we treated enemies previously?======== 1. We are no longer at "war".2. per the
Geneva Convention Article 118:"Prisoners of war shall be released and
repatriated without delay after the cessation of active hostilities." If you ever want OUR POWs released, then we must play by the same
JBQ"Once their time in prison in South Carolina is done, then they can
be charged again by the U.S. military."Not for the same crime.
Says so in the US Constitution... 'nor shall any person be subject for the
same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb...'"It is just plain wrong to bring radical Islamists into the American civil
justice system."Civilian court is much preferred by the
Commander-in-Chief for jihadist criminals since he needn't sign a death
warrant which would go contrary to certain teachings.The simple
answer to the problem is to just change the name from Gitmo to say...
'Rehab Camp for Wayward Jihadists.'
Guantanamo is a stain on our constitutional republic. Try them in military
courts, sentence them if they are found guilty, and close that concentration
Of course Guantanamo needs to be resolved. But so do a bunch of other things
the are even harder to resolve. Like Terrorism, Poverty, Hunger, Education,
Drug Addiction, Prostitution, Sin, War, man's inhumanity to man. Bush and
Cheney weren't the start of all evil, and they can't resolve it.Last time I checked... Obama has been president for two terms... and
Guantanamo is still not resolved. So the Bush haters can't just blame it
on him anymore. And it's not just Republicans either.Google
these headlines and read the truth..."Democrats in Senate Block
Money to Close Guantánamo" - New York Times"Senate
Democrats Reject Obama's Request for Funds to Close Guantanamo Bay
Prison" - Washington Post"Democrats on Capitol Hill Rebel
Against President Obama's Guantanamo Bay Plan" - ABCThe
blinded partisans who see anything and everything through the filtered lenses of
their partisan stereotypes and their rhetoric inspired selective vision of
reality... will see it as just a Republican problem, or just Bush's
problem... but obviously that's not reality. It's not the whole
story.All this angst over 155 people.. who KILLED thousands in their
own countries AND in America.
Trying enemy combatants in civilian courts is a nice idea, but it is totally
unworkable.When the police arrest somebody, they cordon off the crime
scene and carefully gather evidence so they can build a case in court. The
military does not have that option. The battle itself will probably destroy much
of the evidence or at least taint it.It can take years to bring such
as case to trial in civilian court. The storage of evidence, availability of
witnesses, etc. are all problematic. Military personnel get moved around a lot.
It would be very costly to bring everyone together for a trial. Most people
tried under these circumstances would be acquitted due to the above mentioned
issues and others.Terrorists are never in uniform. They always try
to blend in with the local population. This is what spies do. Spies are
executed.Never in the history of this nation have constitutional
rights been extended to enemies in war. Doing so now would be very foolish.
As a Navy veteran, you have to look at this issue in the context of a war.
These are prisoners of war and do not have the same rights as someone who
"jaywalks" Soldiers in our military can be tried under the UCMJ and
then again in civilian courts for crimes in the community. I served on a ship
where two sailors were convicted of murder. Once their time in prison in South
Carolina is done, then they can be charged again by the U.S. military. It is
important for the security of the United States for these individuals charged
with heinous crimes to be taken to a military tribunal first and then if
necessary taken to a civilian court. German military criminals were tried at
Nurenberg in a military court and then in most cases, they were hanged. It is
just plain wrong to bring radical Islamists into the American civil justice
close Guantanamo, give the place back to Cuba, get outsend the prisoners
somewhere else, US military prisons preferablegive the Cubans back their
land, we don't need it strategically or otherwiseend Guantanamo as a
This editorial makes sense and is correct (with one exception). The right wing
needs to stop their abuse of Constitutional principles. Either provide a trial
to the detainees or send them home. Enough already.So, the wrong
thing is the face-saving, bone toss to the right wing about "the release of
five Taliban commanders being held there in exchange for U.S. Sgt. Bowe
Bergdahl." It was the right thing to do. Period.
Guantanamo should remain open to house all combatants until their faction (Al
Quaeda, Taliban, Syrian/Iraqi fighters) cease hostilities. Why should we treat
these combatants any differently than we treated enemies previously? These
terrorists should not be accorded the luxury of a civilian court. And we
shouldn't be giving them medical care better than we give to our Veterans
in the VA.Obama should be tried for treason for releasing five Al
Quaeda leaders in exchange for an Army deserter.
In MY opinion: Fate of the Guantanamo Bay prison needs to be resolved by
Bush/Cheney and ALL the Repulicans responsible for it promptly.
And just which political party does not approve of closing Guantanamo?