Well thanks for not calling Obama a "squatter" like your columnist
Liljenquist. I agree with your position on immigration. In addition
to the points you enumerate I would add that we need to figure out what is going
on in Latin America, to create this flow of souls north. And in particular,
what is going on with this flow of children? What is going on? Is the United
States doing things which are adding to the problem?We need facts.
As for the House Republicans who are too terrified of losing their seats should
they annoy the base, I say there are worse things in life than losing an
election. Just ask one of those kids on the border in cement cubicles.
Families need to be reunited back in their own home countries. The U. S. needs
to stop the invasion of this homeland for the sake of our safety, security,
solvency, sovereignty, and sanity. We need to be the final country on the face
of the planet to rid ourselves of the goofy "birthright citizenship"
idea, which encourages not only ongoing invasion but chaos irresponsibility. We
need to have strong, honored, and defended borders, using the military if
necessary to maintain these borders. While migrant guest farm workers may be
needed for certain industries on a temporary basis, these farm workers workers
should not be awarded free "social" benefits and citizenship by virtue
to having visited this country. It's time to bring back something
rational, fair, and workable . . . and demand that all entrants follow and
respect the same rules that have been established by law for decades so that we
can maintain our nation.
No excuses.....just seal the border first! And tell us, what has Obama ever
compromised on...or what has he spoken with Congress about. Really, all he does
is blame Comgress but he refuses to,to discuss issues with them,
And let us emphasize that the Mormon Church supports the principles of the Utah
Compact on immigration. (Church News Release, 11 November 2010).
What we've been seeing is not "immigration" . . . it's
invasion. Immigration takes place when entrants are permitted to enter a
country, not when they simply decide to run the borders and take what they want.
Time for the U. S. to wake up, stand up, and step up to stop the ongoing
invasion of this homeland. Anything less is foolishness, weakness, and a recipe
Rarely is the real reason why immigration "reform" is never addressed.
It is because the majority of Americans don't want it. Not because
Americans are cruel and heartless towards people of other nations. It is because
many Americans are suffering financially and can't find good work. The true
unemployment rate in the USA is much higher than the 6% or 7% being reported.
And working Americans know that allowing more immigration will increase the
competition for jobs. And millions of these Americans have sent faxes and made
phone calls to their representatives every time immigration reform comes up
demanding that it be stopped.Most Americans probably really do want
immigration "reform", but they don't want to do it when they are
unemployed or under-employed. Americans want to be put back to work in jobs that
are prosperous. THEN they will be much more open to immigration reform.Come on. Report the REAL reason.
Agreed. A republican Congress whose main aim is to mess up the President of the
United States borders on the treasonous.The President's role is
not to make laws, except in cases where the Congress will not act, and there is
a situation whose remedy is overdue. If I would fault Mr. Obama, it would be for
not acting on his own sooner, not for doing what must be done.Additionally, if people in several countries are sending us their children, we
need to make clear to the the governments and the media of those countries to
desist, and that we will send back every single child, heartless as it may seem
to some.Although I support a way to citizenship for folks who have
been here a long time and done the right things (after decades of our winking at
them arriving), I strongly support the USA telling other countries to keep the
folks who would come here illegally.I would even support the death
penalty for murderers who are here illegally.
It seems to fall on deaf ears, but the ONLY reform needed at this moment is the
enforcement of existing law. Obama's ONLY desire is to overwhelm and force
(a crisis shouldn't be allowed to go to waste)an amnesty like situation.
What he is going to do, as an executive order, is the ONLY action he will ALLOW
to pass through Congress. In other words, regardless of any reform bill that
might come out of the legislature, if it is not as he dictates, he will refuse
to sign it and claim that ~the Republicans are uncooperative and want only to
make a political statement.~
I my opinion the congress should do nothing until the border is secure and we
are convinced that this POTUS and his administration will enforce all
immigration laws. Not just the ones they like or that will give them political
advantage. We have made enough excuses for this inept and incompetent POTUS.
The truth is we already have plenty of immigration laws which Obama refuses to
enforce. What good will more useless immigrations laws do? Congress knows that
and so do the millions of illegals coming across our borders! That's why
they keep coming, because the can and so they do! Obama disingenuously blames
congress and the Democrats swear to it! What hypocrites!
Immigration is a very complex issues. But our nation has faced tougher issues
before and worked to resolve them. This type of resolution starts with
dialogue. Our Congressional leaders must begin talking and negotiating a
resolution to the immigration problems that have languished far too long. Our
leaders were voted into office to address these types of problems. It is
selfish of them to ignore or avoid immigration because it may affect their
campaigns and election outcomes.We, the People, have the power to
make Congress act. In the upcoming election, we can use the power of our vote
to get Congress to act.On the other side of the coin, Congress is
attempting to negotiate with a president that is hardly a trustworthy partner.
I personally would not be surprised to learn that the administration has been
advertising and organizing in South and Central American for children to be
sent across the border to create just such a moment for the president to take
executive action. For Obama to go around Congress is, in my opinion,
unconstitutional and very foolish. But that hasn't stopped the president
in the past.Obama and Congress should work together.
Why do we need to reform anything? They did not enforce the existing laws. It
is all about greed and cheap labor. Forget about what this is all doing to the
working middle class.
I don't see a need to pass more legislation. Why? Legalizing problems
doesn't solve problems. We wouldn't legalize murder to solve the
problem of too many murders. So why take that approach with immigration? We have too many US citizens unemployed, too many aliens supported by
public system, too many schools educating children of illegal aliens, too many
prisons overflowing with illegal aliens.Instead of passing
legislation to make illegals legal, why not get the illegal aliens out of the
country? Let other countries handle their own job crisis, poverty, education,
criminals, etc. Instead of using tax dollars supporting aliens, use tax dollars
to employ our own citizens building border fences and getting illegals deported.
Separating families? Let them take their children with them.In this
case, President Obama is overstepping his authority. He has no right to take
matters into his own hands. This is not an emergency. Whenever he doesn't
get his own way, he responds by using executive order which is only intended to
handle emergency situations.
The Obama administration arranged for this latest humanitarian crisis. The DHS
procured buses in January of this year for this "spontaneous event".
Radio broadcasts are taking place in Central American countries advertising
about this opportunity to head north. The Mexican government has opened up its
southern border to accommodate this flow to the U.S. permitting these
"refugees" to pass through Mexico as long as these people do not get
off the trains heading north. The Democratic party is looking at developing
future voters dependent on the government to create a one party state.
Well the DN is once again beating the drum of Amnesty as advocated by the Church
and Business. The senate bill languishing in the House is doing so for good
reason. It is an amnesty wrapped in comprehensive feel good gobly goop.
Immigration law could be improved but the real problem that now exists is
ENFORCEMENT. Witness the crossing of all of these kids. The American people have
demanded that the broken government secure the border and enforce the laws.
Neither has happened. This is all about future votes and fact is if all of these
illegal's are given a pass you can welcome a socialist state.
Despite your editorial the Republican congressional leadership is not going to
allow a vote on immigration this session. That means that at the start of the
next session the bill that passed the Senate is no longer active and the Senate
will have to start all over. Depending on the compositions of the Senate this
may no longer be possible.
I think you are missing part of the point. I think most reasonable people
including those in Congress what to solve the immigration problems. But I
personally think it starts with actually securing the border first for the
following reasons :1) the stress it creates on our infrastructure school, social
services etc. 2) the diseases carried by those coming here illegally 3) but most
important the threat to our national security, without a secure border what will
stop terrorism from coming into our country a cross our southern border. Once
the border is secure and it is independently verified, then let's discuss
what should happen with those here illegally.
The government has been set up with checks and balances. The founders set it up
so that it would be "hard" to enact/change laws. That is a good thing.
This prevents (or tries to prevent) abuses and unintended consequences. Why
should Congress do anything with immigration if the President will then change
and implement what he wants, when he wants or ignore portions of the law
entirely. For example(s) Obamacare has had over 70 exemptions and changes to
the law (so far) implemented by the President. These changes are significant
and are not part of the law that was enacted. "Fast and Furious" was
handled similarly. What about the IRS scandal where "something was going to
be done" (after the fact) but where the laws were flaunted in the first
place. Also the surveillance issues that our government has with its own people
and other countries.There is no trust of the President by the Congress to
follow the laws that ARE enacted.What does the editorial board suggest be
Obama has shown extreme partisanship and used this issue to fundraise so inspite
of the points made by the board. It is the Democrats that are 90% responsible
for reform not proceeding. Harry Reid has been such an intractable force of
political posturing by not allowing reasonable legislation on reform even be
taken up by the senate. I believe the Utah delegation has been diligent and
wants to develop a compromise and have put forth legislation to accomplish this.
I have personally visited with staff of congressional delegation both locally
and in DC and they tell me that it is Harry Reid and his partisan posturing and
disdain for the House Republicans that is the log jam. Obama has raised a lot of
money for liberals by attacking and distracting to score political points and
not leading and compromising and getting something done.
I don't know why Obama wanted run for the office of Chief Executive of the
United States. He doesn't execute the laws of the United States, including
the existing immigration laws along the U.S.-Mexico border. He should have
stayed in the Senate where the legislative responsibility resides, because all
he seems to want to do is promote legislation, as if passing a law were
sufficient to feel like he's accomplished something, instead of enforcing
it.There's no likelihood that President Obama will enforce a
new immigration law any better than he has enforced the existing immigration
My family and I immigrated from Canada 18 years ago. We jumped through all the
flaming hoops: paid all the fees, filled out all the forms, took all the photos
required, worked, paid our taxes and were able to gain citizenship in due time.
Immigration should never be free to any country. Even in cases of asylum.
People need to get to work ASAP and be held accountable to go through the due
process or be deported. Yearly check-ins and tax filing - or be deported. Stay
out of the criminal justice system - or be deported. Stay off welfare - or be
deported. They should pay for a tracking device, maybe, so they don't go
AWOL and skip out before the due process takes place. Maybe pay into a
perpetual immigration fund - or be deported. There are ways to be humane about
immigration and still make immigrants accountable and contributing. Everyone
deserves a hand up - we need to stop with the hand-outs. If people want to be
in this county badly enough, they need to invest blood, sweat and tears and
money in this country, not the other way around.
The recent influx of thousands of Central American children crossing the border
is just the latest symptom of our broken immigration system. False. In is do the
the Obama administration outright refusal. To enforce our existing emigration
laws. They have change the reporting standards to make it look as if they are
deporting folks they are not. The ones that are caught are subject ti catch and
release. We need only secure our border and enforce employer sanctions already
on the books. If they cannot get a job they will not come. People do not sneak
into Disneyland if they cannot get on the rides.
If you break into my house by force and without permission then you are my
enemy. The territory of my motherland is sacred to me and is a core component
of american identity. Is it ok for americans to go and invade neighboring
countries to find work? Immigrants must come legally and peacefully. Otherwise
they are not immigrants but criminal trespassers.
Republicans are caught in a Catch-22: "We oppose the President
taking more executive action, but we're unwilling to do our job, because it
may cause internal conflicts in our party, and make us look bad in the next
I wonder how we could "reform" immigration so that the cheap labor
lobbyists would like it?Lets face it; if we do pass a "new"
immigration bill it won't be enforced. Obama has, today, the authority to
solve the immigration crisis. He chooses not to. WHY pass a "new"
law?Business interests (oligarchs) wouldn't be satisfied until
EVERY worker (except them of course)winds up making $5.00 per hr.Is
that what Obama wants?
The problem is that if Congress does anything of substance to fix immigration,
the far right will immediately accuse them of cooperating with the President
instead of taking the approved obstructionist stance. Let's face it. The
only thing that the far right will endorse involves door-to-door police
searches, demands to see everyone's papers, and the immediate
transportation of non-citizens to their own country. The logistics of doing this
to eleven million people makes it impossible, of course, but that's not the
issue. They want it done despite the fact that millions of sudden housing
vacancies would be devastating to our economy and the housing market. And how
would we fill millions of low-paying jobs? Are there throngs of citizens waiting
for the chance to mow your lawn, bus your table, flip your burgers and clean
your house? What happens to all the crops that will go unpicked and to food
prices when they rot in the fields. This is a problem with no easy
solutions, and it's going to require cooperation from both sides of the
House and Senate to fix it.
With all due respect to the "compassion" of the LDS Church regarding
families (and I'm a member), I was under the impression that we believe
"in honoring, obeying and sustaining the law." What are the limits of
"compassion?" If there are none, close down the Border Control, do away
with immigration requirements, and, while we're at it, guarantee immigrants
(read: invaders) free social services for life.
Wilf 55 SALT LAKE CITY, UTAnd let us emphasize that the
Mormon Church supports the principles of the Utah Compact on immigration.
(Church News Release, 11 November 2010).12:42 a.m. July 5, 2014============ Scary!Because Utah Mormon Republicans
soundly rejected it, thus proving they will choose their Political Leaders
over their Religious Leaders.
It is interesting and revealing that the Tea Party people can so easily change
their minds about immigration according who benefits from illegal immigration.
I don't recall seeing any road blocks for immigrant workers and their cheap
labor. Children aren't worth much to business.To recognize the
Tea Party people, just look for those wearing and carrying the American flag.
I'm all for people having their own ideas and philosophies about any
particular issue out there. But when it starts negatively impacting the lives
of unwilling non-participants, I say it's time to take a step back and look
at sanity and fairness. Many academic and ecclesiastical "authorities"
are quick to rush forth with their opinions and are hardly ever reluctant to
voice their positions. However, when it also involves everyone else, the
opinions and positions of everyone else are not only relevant, but should be
considered foundational and fundamental. I'm all for charity, but
"charity" implies VOLUNTARY proactive participation, not confiscation
and violation. Think about it.
The number of comments here that simply regurgitate the outright LIES of the
neo-conservative hate mongers is appalling. Blame Obama? No
way.Blame Congress? Now you have it right.Blame the
haters? Nah. They're too dumb to know any better.
My mother was born in Canada, my father in England. They settled in southern
California, accepted no welfare, starved thru the great depression, obtained US
citizenship and finally owned their own home thru hard work. They also spoke
English which helped. They also obeyed all laws of the land and participated in
elections and knew all about the Constitution. Obama disobeys the constitution
at every opportunity.
The children are being sent here because people are telling them that the United
States are not enforcing laws. I read the articles with Biden and
Kerry in the Deseret news. Compassion is helping others honor and
sustain the laws of the land. "If your neighbor commits an evil
upon another of your neighbors, you are under obligations to see that the person
who has committed the evil be suitably chastised, as much so as though the wrong
had been committed upon you. Now this is hard to believe; but if you wish to
correct people, and lead them to life and salvation, what difference is it where
the evil is committed, or upon whom? Is it not the duty of a minister of God to
correct evil and take it from an individual or from the people, and place them
upon saving ground, whenever an opportunity presents itself? It is the duty of
every individual. " Brigham Young, vol. 8, pp. 364-368 JOD
We have a Constitution, which is the Supreme Law of the Land. It specifically
states what authority each branch of government has. It has authorized ALL
legislative authority to Congress. That means that neither the Executive Branch
NOR the Judicial Branch has any legislative authority. Obama is claiming that
HE has legislative authority. Who gave him that authority? The people did not
nor can they without an amendment to the Constitution. The Constitution did
not. Any additional authority that he claims to have is a figment of his
imagination. It's time that the people of America REQUIRE all
branches of government to act ONLY with the authority delegated to them by the
people through the Constitution. No President can claim additional authority
simply because he was elected by a majority. The Constitution is still the
Supreme Law of the Land. No other "law" supersedes it.
Oh, I forgot to add that I fought in Korea, got a college degree and worked for
40 years as a mechanical engineer. Our three children also graduated from
college and our son obtained a Masters in Industrial Engineering and along with
four others formed their own company that employees 100 people. Unfortunately
these illegals coming across our southern borders won't have much of an
opportunity to progress up the economic ladder and will be a drain on the
welfare roles. They will all vote democratic until our nation implodes.
The "Utah Compact" does not require that me abdicate law and order. It
does not require that we open our borders to all who want to walk across.
Unlike what some posters seem to claim, the LDS Church is not lawless nor a
disrespector of law.It is the DEMOCRATS who are advocating that our
laws are meaningless.It is the DEMOCRATS who have decided that
Arizona, California, and Texas will pay for the costs of all illegals who cross
the border.It is the DEMOCRATS who refuse to abide by the laws
passed by Congress (which is the only branch of government that has the
authority to pass any law) and to accept Obama's self-appointed legislation
to circumvent our laws so that more Democrats can be elected.It
doesn't require a degree in rocket science to follow what Obama is doing.
He has corrupted our laws to suit his purposes. SOME people allow that. If we
all allow that, we have no right to claim that we are a free people who believe
in the proper rule of government.
Why pass new laws when the President doesn't enforce the old ones?CNN poll has only 35% supporting his handling of immigration.
New to Utah: That writer has nailed it precisely! Every point is exactly
correct. And the DN editorial board is way off target. What a sham for the SL
Police Chief, for example, to publicly state he will not enforce immigration
laws. And this within a city and newspaper whose citizens and readers are
largely LDS which church teaches to "obey, honor, and sustain the law".
And I am an active Mormon.
So that everyone is not just talking past each other...Please define what the
Deseret News believes is "the immigration problem". Please tell us what
needs to be solved. Make it plain and simple not cloaked in "focusing law
enforcement on criminal activities etc etc.What do you propose must be
done RIGHT NOW to fix the problem that you are yet to define.Here is
the problem with this discussion.. You say there is a "problem" and
everyone nods their heads. But the "problem" is not defined. So some are
nodding their heads saying yes there is too much illegal immigration. But other
are nodding saying it is a paper work nightmare trying to legally get into this
country. Others are nodding their heads saying this crisis of kids trekking
across Mexico and getting dumped at the boarder is deplorable. EVERYONE of these
are distinct problems with completely different solutions. Please label the
"problem" you want addressed right now. We need to discuss the solutions
separately. Any other way and we are heatedly talking past each other building
steam for no good reason.
SALT LAKE CITY, UTAnd let us emphasize that the Mormon Church
supports the principles of the Utah Compact on immigration. (Church News
Release, 11 November 2010).12:42 a.m. July 5, 2014============
Scary!Because Utah Mormon Republicans soundly rejected
it, thus proving they will choose their Political Leaders over their
Religious Leaders.============Please explain the gospel
principle that supports law breaking? Both LDS andd Catholic church leaders
support and encourage illegal immigration, because it puts backsides in the
seats a cash in the donation boc. I offsets the waning attendance by US members.
"Thirty-two House Republicans joined Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., in a
letter to the president calling on him to end the policies that have caused the
surge of illegal border crossings. The letter calls on Obama to end the Deferred
Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, and to forego policies that give
the recent illegal border crossers or other illegal aliens special treatment
under the law."Other media sources reporting Obama has so far
placed 240,000 people (including adults) inside our country since April. This
does not include the 50,000 children being kept in detainment. Eight cities so
far have stopped relocation to their communities.
Obama has invited this problem with his previous executive order regarding
immigrant children. But now congress does need to act. It's
high time we make changes to allow good people in. Ensure they learn English,
pay taxes and contribute to society.
The "Utah Compact" does not come close to expressing the opinion of most
Utah citizens on the topic of immigration. The Utah Compact is a thinly veiled
manifesto for amnesty and open borders, inviting further waves of illegal
immigration. The borders must be sealed. People currently in the
country illegally need to be deported. (And the process shouldn't take
years, it should take weeks.) The U.S. can not survive the flood of
immigration we are facing. We need immigration reform, but reform in the sense
of putting our priorities on the welfare and rights of American citizens.
Immigration reform following the principles of the Utah Compact is a recipe for
continued disaster. I applaud Republican lawmakers for standing against these
There are many comments about how illegal immigration is taking jobs away from
Americans. The fact is that big business is to blame for taking jobs away from
Americans. They send American jobs to other countries. And then come back and
want to sell the products in this country. Cracking down on immigration, would
simply result in big business sending more jobs out of this country.the
solution to ending unemployment in this country, would be to not allow anything
made out of this country, to be sold in this country. or make it more expensive
to make things out of this country, then in this country.
@UltraBob:"To recognize the Tea Party people, just look for those
wearing and carrying the American flag."With all due respect, I
have a flag lapel pin on my suits, an American flag flying from my balcony, and
an American flag on the back of my motorcycle. Am I a teabagger? Absolutely
not. I'm a registered Democrat and a service-connected disabled veteran.
Why the flags? To remind people that it's my flag too. It's all of
ours. It doesn't belong to the right wing and I won't let it become
the emblem of extremism.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries sheWith
silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses
yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming
shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,I
lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Amnesty is out of the question now. Obama has proved it to be a killer and the
separator of families.So instead of saying reform, can the editorial
board say what needs to be changed. We tried amnesty seven times,
each time the enforcement part was ignored, and this time will be no different.
In 1986 we passed the border fence, interior enforcement, E-verify for all
business, including penalties, and more judges. In 1996 we passed a visa
entry-exit system. None have been implemented.
If the House of Representatives wished to address immigration in any form,
should they pass a bill to do so?The Senate found a way to pass a
bipartisan bill. Why can't Speaker Boehner corral his Tea
Party/Republicans into some sort of a bill to present to the Senate for
reconciliation?The absolute, inescapable fact of the matter is that
the right wing of the country does not wish any immigration laws to be passed.
Read over the other comments to come up with their rationales. Most are rather
vacuous, and rely on false information. It serves the purposes of the Tea Party
Republicans to demonize immigrants. And since the tail of the dog wags the dog,
nothing is going to happen.Get used to it America. The Tea Party
Republicans are the party of no answers to problems but that we do exactly as
they wish us to do.
Informed VoterSouth Jordan, UTNo excuses.....just seal the border
first! --- you would be better informed if you learn that the
Southern border is 1954 miles of desert, river, cities and mountains. It is the
most frequently crossed international border in the world, with approximately
350 million legal crossings being made annually. How do you propose to seal it?
What about the oceans, airports, and Canada?And tell us, what has
Obama ever compromised on...or what has he spoken with Congress about. Really,
all he does is blame Comgress but he refuses to,to discuss issues with them.--- you might turn off Fox and Breitbart and listen a bit to the
speeches of the President, not slanted reports. He comes across as very
reasonable. In fact, to my taste, he wasted time waiting for republicans to do
their jobs, when they do nothing but crusade for him to fail, which hurts
DanteSalt Lake City, UT"There's no likelihood that
President Obama will enforce a new immigration law any better than he has
enforced the existing immigration laws.'--- Please tell us how
11 million people got here if both Bushes, Reagan, and Nixon were making sure
that there were good and well enforced immigration laws.JackBuckeyeMarysville, OHThe Obama administration arranged for
this latest humanitarian crisis. The DHS procured buses in January of this year
for this "spontaneous event"..... The Democratic party is looking at
developing future voters dependent on the government to create a one party state.--- Really? Somebody was really smoking something when they
made that up. If it were provable, it would be all over the news.---
And, of course, it is the republican party that is trying to manipulate voters,
making voting difficult for the poor, with the ridiculous pretense of stopping
@VIDARConstruction, housekeeping, hospitality and the service industry
cannot be outsourced. This is why the pro-illegal groups and people here
illegally are targeting them. We need those jobs for Americans.@Ultra BobYou realize that Ellis Island precessed legal immigrants. The
situation today makes a mockery of the poem. @ordinaryfolksThe
House has passed more bills this year than the Senate, but Senator Harry Reid
won't let them be voted on. The Senate bill was not partisan, only 14
Republicans voted for it, all the Democrats did. In order for it to be partisan,
a mojority of both parties have to approve it. @Bob KYou
put up a fence, just like Mexico is buiolding on their south border. Much of the
border uses the Rio Grande river. The White house has a fence around it,
military bases also. Coupled with interior enforment, a strict e-verify and more
judges, throw in a visa entry/exit system. All passed in previos reforms, but
never enacted. Stop letting people stay here after they are ordered deported.
Enforcement is easy, the business lobbyists make it hard.
It's impossible to pass immigration reform when the house speaker declared
that he won't discuss it for fear of what will happen come election
time.Angry that there isn't any immigration reform? Blame the man responsible, Jon Boehner.
@Bob K"Records show the Administration knew the surge at the border
was coming and did nothing to stop it. On January 29, 2014, the federal
government posted an advertisement seeking bids for a vendor to contract to
handle 65,000 ‘Unaccompanied Alien Children’ crossing the southern
border. This raises serious questions".--Senate Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-AlaIt was carried by some of the media. MSNBC, Huffington Post and the rest
of the open border supporters ignored it. He knew it was coming, it was part of
his plan to use children to get his amnesty passed. (Staying and working is
amnesty, it's like making a bank robber pay a fine, yet he gets to keep the
money he stole). It's time for the immigration reform people to
get specific. What do you want, and what do the American people want, because
you're not on the same page.
The president has another option: Close the border. Then enforce current
immigration law and Congress could then work on reform. These children
won't 'contribute to the economy', they would strain an already
overburdened welfare system! If you want to unite families, then deport the
parents who are here ILLEGALLY along with their children back to their own
countries and demand that our LAW be upheld, and that they come here the legal
way. President Obama's decision(s) to 'act unilaterally' are what
has qualified him for Impeachment. He is abusing his office, and violating his
oath to uphold the Constitution. Why should Congress work to reform the law NOW
when he has made it clear he is incapable of enforcing current laws? This issue
cannot be decide hastily or with sweeping reforms. NO blanket amnesty, and not
all illegal aliens should be deported. Send back ALL illegal aliens who have
arrived since last year and use the funding that would be spent on supporting
their basic needs to help the legal system process and determine the course of
action for other, more established, cases.
This is one Deseret News editorial I can agree with, although I see the usual
"Conservative" Commentators don't like it much.Why
would they? It's a reasonable editorial.
When our president starts enforcing the existing laws, then Congress should
consider writing new ones.
The reality is that there are millions upon millions around the world who
desperately want a better life for their children. Immigration is good for
America, but we do not have the resources to accommodate all who wish to come.
I have lived overseas and have friends who have asked me to help them get to
America. They applied for a visa and were denied. I suppose I should tell them
to sneak in and wait for the next amnesty, as that is the message we are sending
the world as has been clearly demonstrated by the human tragedy on our southern
border.Since we cannot accommodate all who wish to come, to whom
should be give the great gift of American citizenship? Those who play by the
rules or those who don't? Our current non enforcement favors the latter.
And providing a pathway to citizenship for those who cut in line would only
exacerbate the problem.We have already tried, under Reagan, the
political compromise of more enforcement for a path to citizenship. We got the
citizenship, but not the enforcement. And the predictable result is that
millions have responded to the incentives we have offered.
BU52 -"When our president starts enforcing the existing laws,
then Congress should consider writing new ones."Maybe the State
of Utah should go first.Don't you have a few thousand
polygamists who need to be charged, tried, and sentenced?And
what's the deal with the rampant corruption in the Attorney General's
office?Aren't there laws against that? The investigation
should not stop at the two disgraced former AG's.Investigations
should continue down the line through the mass of Assistant AG's.Sure you can chop off the head of the snake, but the rest of the snake is
still a snake.
The common thread through the vast majority of these comments is that it is time
to enforce the laws already on the books. If that were done, it is unlikely that
much reform would be needed. LEGISLATORS AND US PRESIDENT, ARE YOU LISTENING?
Good grief, if I read one more myopic comment that says we should do nothing
until we secure the border, I think I'll vomit. Do you people have any idea
what it would take to secure the border? East Germany, the most oppressive of
the Soviet satellites, put up a 10-foot-high concrete barrier surrounded by mine
fields and guard towers. They had another wonderful set of fences between their
border and West Germany's, complete with machine guns that would shoot you
without asking questions if you approached the fence. That still didn't
"secure" their border. Of course, they were trying to keep people in,
not out. But just how do you propose to "secure" our 1,933-mile border
with Mexico? At what expense? Heavens, we can't get Congress to fund much
of anything.And as for those illegal immigrants stealing all the
high-paying jobs, um, I think you've got it backwards. They end up taking
the jobs Americans refuse to apply for. They are desperate. We are lazy. Sorry,
conservatives, but you just don't have a reasonable argument on this one.
So stop listening to Faux News.
You finish the fence on the border, but you also make e-verify mandatory,
without jobs and welfare, they will have no reason to be here illegally. You
enforce the laws in the interior of the country, no more letting people stay
that have made it across the border, and you clean up the backlog of cases with
more judges, and deportation that does not give the person the option to leave
by themselves. A visa entry-exit system also is needed. All these items were
passed as laws in the 1986 reform, and the 1996 reform. Construction, hospitality, service industry etc. are all jobs America will do.
They are also jobs that can't be exported. Deporting 12
million, according to a government study done in 2007 by the Immigrations and
Customs Enforcement agency put the cost at 94 billion. This is a one time cost,
that does not include self deportation. The Federation for American Immigration
Reform puts the cost of illegal immigration at $113 billion per year. It's
good for the economy to put Americans back to work, and reduce our taxes by not
subsidizing cheap labor for business.
Immigration reform sounds great - but what does it mean? If it means allowing
more people into the country legally and deporting those here illegally - I vote
for immigration reform. If it means allowing people who broke our laws coming
hear to become U.S. citizens - I will have to pass. I have friends
who are well educated and want to come to this country. They wait and wait, but
cannot come legally. I also have friends who have advanced degrees that were
forced to go home after graduation. I have a big problem with keeping these
people at the back of the line while rewarding those you jumped the boarder.BTW - the most over used phrase in journalism is "our broken
immigration system." It is not broken - it is just not enforced. After
all, there are too many business people who would rather pad their profits by
paying $5.00/hr. under the table than pay what it would take to hire a citizen
or someone with a green card to do the same job. So yes, our will to enforce
the law is broken.
Well said DN. There are many of who have voted Republican since the 70s who
agree with you. I'm curious how many of those who routinely
post on these threads against any kind of concession for illegal immigrants
whatsoever fully support the lawlessness of the crowds impeding traffic in
Business is to blame 100%.They off-shore and out-source to find
cheap labor, and the jobs they can't off-shoure or out-source, they wil hire illegals.Then, they lobby [bribe] politicians to get
whatever they want -- legal or not.If you want a solution to a
problem, you must address the root cause of the problem -- in this case,
If free immigration was allowed world-wide the economic gains would be massive!
It is essentially free-trade but with labor instead of goods. However, there
are always winners and losers. And very difficult when it is our job that has
been lost.The majority of immigrants come here to escape extreme
poverty. My former sitter is a good example of this. As long as there are
people living off less than $1.25/day and dying of preventable disease and
malnutrition the incentive to move somewhere to survive will be high. It is
possible to decrease global poverty ... through vaccinations for children (GAVI
alliance), through global education (the Global Partnership for Education) and
micro-credit programs. Our foreign aid does make a difference in decreasing
poverty (and development assistance is only half of one percent of the US
Mountain Man you are completely wrong again. Obama is deporting more illegals
than anyone in the history of this great country. What we need to do is put
people who hire illegals into prison.
@LOU MontanaObama has lied about his deportations. He has been
counting people turned away at the border. Previous Presidents counted them
separate. If you subtract those turned away at the border, Obama is the worst
President for deportations since records were kept. Even the ultra
liberal L.A. Times is admitting this deception. You can google it and find the