FTsalt lake city, UT@southmtnmanI have found those
conservatives that cry the loudest about goverment intrusion are the first to
try to limit the freedoms of others. What they seem to encourage is freedom to
be only just like them.=========== Perfect!And
that is why I take issue with them with just about everything they say and try
@marxist,No, it's not the illustration's fault. It's
your brain, and YOUR Pavlovian response to images like these that make you want
beer.Go get some if seeing an image of it makes you want it.
You've been well trained. That's why beer commercials are so easy
and effective. Just show some pretty people with beer... and some people will
have to run out and get it.... It's like the sound of the ice cream truck
for some people.
A Doctor friend of mine told me once that without alcohol, tobacco, and
diabetes.. he would lose more than half of his patients. And by far the highest
revenue generating of his patients.But we are constantly told by
some groups of people that we need to be more LENIENT. They want
marijuana legal everywhere. How do you legalize recreational marijuana use...
but continue regulating Alcohol consumption, or maintain ANY laws that regulate
harmful substances???I'm pretty sure NOBODY abuses alcohol, or
marijuana, or any other harmful substance in America today. (sarcasm) actually
it's rampant, and becoming ever more and more accepted by society in
general as the MTV generation gradually takes over.... I'm sure it will be
for the better...
Your illustration makes we want a beer!
And these same conservative posters claims that they're not trying to
Dear FT:I am ok with alcohol in moderation for anyone who has not
made a personal or religious commitment to not consume it. I have dined with
friends and colleagues around the world who drink in moderation and responsibly.
This is not, however, the only way that alcohol is consumed. Many people from
all socioeconomic classes abuse alcohol to the detriment of themselves, their
families and their communities. For those who won't or cannot drink
responsibly, and it really doesn't matter which, it causes incredible
heartache. Anyone who believes otherwise does not live in the real world. I
have seen the problems associated with addiction, including alcoholism. It is
devastating to anyone it touches.
@ordinaryfolks"I wish someone would explain to me why there are
such stringent laws against marijuana, which is a much less toxic drug, while we
have a rather lackadaisical attitude toward alcohol?"Great
question. Here's the answer: Outlaw both of them.
A few of suggestions:1) Raise taxes on alcohol--a lot. Alcohol taxes
should be high enough to pay the social costs of alcohol abuse.2) If not
permanent revocation of all driving privileges, at least a much higher fine for
drunk driving and a few years of no driving privileges.3) Publish the
names and photos of people convicted of drunk driving and put it on line similar
to the sex abuse convicts. Perhaps fear of adverse publicity will make people
@ FT: Every alcoholic I have ever known (unfortunately I have known far too
many) thought he was "drinking responsibly"! Evidently, one in ten will
die from "responsible drinking"! The best advise ever given me about
drinking was; never, never take your first drink! The fact still remains that
out of 10 people who choose to drink, one will die from it! That is not
misinformation. What is gross information is that drinking alcohol is harmless
and is "fun". I wonder if we would accept those odds with anything else
we choose to do for "fun"?
@southmtnmanI have found those conservatives that cry the loudest about
goverment intrusion are the first to try to limit the freedoms of others. What
they seem to encourage is freedom to be only just like them.One of my most
cherished memories was having a drink with my 93 year old grandfather on the
afternoon of his wife of 55 years funeral. Grandpa had several drinks a day
well into his 90's before passing. A tradition that I have carried on for
over 30 years while maintaining great health thru proper diet and excercise.Education and respect of alcohol can lead to most people responsibily using
the drug. Conservatives fear and mis-information campagin is the wrong way to
To Hutterite:I really hope that the DesNews will let me challenge
your post on the basis that it is 1) irrelevant to the topic 2) just another
pot-shot at organized religion and a thinly veiled attack on the LDS Church.Addressing alcohol abuse has NOTHING to do with keeping "the flock
in check". It is a serious problem that destroys peace in families, causes
thousands of innocent deaths on our nation's roads each year, ruins lives
and causes untold harm to the brain and liver, and contributes significantly to
obesity, heart disease, gout and diabetes. These are facts.I am
glad that many are awakening to the damage that unbridled consumption of alcohol
causes. It has nothing to do with religion, except to those who want to twist
every discussion into an opportunity to address their pet cause...
Mountain man:"This means statistically speaking, if you drink,
you run a 4200 percent greater risk of dying from alcohol poisoning than being
killed with a gun (even in Chicago)."You misrepresent the facts.
Merely drinking alcohol does not put anyone at increased risk. It is the
"abuse" ("excessive use") of alcohol that is the problem.Responsible consumption is encouraged by responsible public education
and reasonable regulations. Outlawing the purchase of alcohol on Sundays? What
sense does that make?
Those who deflect the discussion on the public health problems of alcohol by
talking about any other subject have misplaced their efforts. If one focuses on
health care, air quality, tobacco, marijuana or obesity others can say,
"Well, what about the alcohol problem?" Addressing one issue does not
imply acceptance of other problems. Simply because we cannot solve everything at
once don't mean society can't solve them sequentially.
Obesity is the #1 killer in the US. I realize that donuts, soda & ice cream
aren't taboo in Utah, maybe the Legislature should focus on that issue than
continuing their heavy handedness on consumers of alcohol.
Oh the irony of the DN and it's loyal posters advocating society limit the
use of alcohol for public health reasons but not strongly advocating affordable
health care to our less fortunate citizens. Look around, obesecity seems to be
a much bigger health care risk to Utahns than alcolhol. Maybe we should see a
call to limit ice cream consumptions and all you can eat buffets?
Before I start, let me clarify that I don't drink. I, like many other
residents of this state, have chosen not to drink based on the religious culture
in which I was raised; the laws imposed on everybody doesn't make any
difference in my choices. I believe the real solution to this
problem is to take a serious look at the causes of binge drinking. What can we
do to reach out to our neighbors who are the most vulnerable and likely to over
drink and the get behind the wheel of a car? I am glad to see some local
companies offering free taxi rides for people on those holidays when people are
most likely to drink more liquor.I think we should see how our laws
compare to those of New Jersey. That state, after all, is doing a better job at
limiting alcohol-related deaths than Utah. I know one thing that state
doesn't do--it doesn't create laws that stigmatize individuals who
choose to have a drink with their dinner.
"A report last month by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found
that excessive alcohol use accounts for 1 in 10 deaths among working-age adults
ages 20-64."This means statistically speaking, if you drink, you
run a 4200 percent greater risk of dying from alcohol poisoning than being
killed with a gun (even in Chicago). And liberals want guns banned? The numbers
speak for themselves; why would anyone with a brain drink alcohol?
People who drink rationalize a lot. According to Medscape the medical online
review journal there is no amount of alcohol that is safe. It is a carcinogen,
cancer causing drug. A large study in England named it the most dangerous drug
over heroin and cocaine. It is life shortening no doubt.
I wish someone would explain to me why there are such stringent laws against
marijuana, which is a much less toxic drug, while we have a rather lackadaisical
attitude toward alcohol?And nicotine is widely available, which is
known to be another extreme health hazard.Could it be because big
Booze and big Tobacco have more political influence. Or is this just another
example of selective outrage?Drugs, booze and alcohol should be seen
as public health problems. Our war on drugs has done nothing more than increase
the prison population, while not lessening dependence on opiates or designer
drug concoctions. There is no magic bullet to human failures. However, by now
we should know that prison is the least attractive option.
Anybody die from using cigarettes in the same time frame? Many times more than
those that abused alcohol, I suspect. You can pick who you want for
demons. But it always feels to me that demons are picked because they are
necessary to keep the flock in check. Reality doesn't work that well.