This has been given way too much attention. I added up all the winning/losing
records of the teams that BYU plays. The average winning percentage is 41%. They
are playing teams who on average didn't win even half of their games. Not a
good direction to be going...its a slippery slope. Florida will play Southern
Nebraska Community College of Neuroscience and nobody takes it seriously. BYU
will play some really really bad teams, and BYU fans will wonder why they
aren't ranked top 10 when they win 75% of their games.
@ Steven S JarvisThe PAC-12 is a prestigious conference. BYU, not
being a member of a P5 conference, is a mid-major. I'm not using them as
an insult. It's just a fact. Further, I'm not here on BYU articles
for the purpose of getting a rise out of people. I love to talk college
football, which is what I'm here to do. Just because somebody disagrees
with you does not automatically mean they are trolling.BYU,
especially this year, does have a better chance of going undefeated than any
PAC-12 team. But that is due to the weak schedule, rather than the quality of
BYU's team. SOS is going to be a factor in how playoff teams are selected.
An undefeated BYU will get over looked by a 1 or 2 loss PAC-12 team every
single time. I don't think you understand the division that is being
created between the P5 leagues and the rest of college football.I
see far more Utah stickers than I do PAC-12 stickers. Perhaps you are just
seeing what you want to see? It wouldn't be the first time somebody fell
victim to confirmation bias.....
MyPerspectiveSalt Lake City, UTNaval VetPhiladelphia,
PAMy apologies, Naval Vet...I referenced you instead of "Steven
S Jarvis" in my post above.Steve get a great big LOL!!
Naval VetPhiladelphia, PA"BYU has a much better chance of
going undefeated than Stanford, Oregon or UCLA. An undefeated BYU will make it
in over a one or two loss PAC team most years." LOL! You are
really out of touch with college football, Steve. The BCS era is now behind us
and byu didn't produce. This is the dawn of the Power 5 of which byu is
not a part. btw...byu is expected to go undefeated with the high
caliber (lol!!) schedule that Holmoe puts in place. They will never, and I mean
never trump a member of a Power 5 conference. Of course, once the split into
four divisions takes place, byu will be in a more favorable position to compete
in the mid-major bowls. Finally, not sure why you care so much
about our Pac-12 stickers. Personally, I love the Pac-12 stickers, love the
gear, love our "U" sign, and love our elite conference membership. Find
something about independence to celebrate. It will make you feel better.
@Naval VetLOL--Money talks.@ 2 FerYou sure
sound like him using "prestigious" and "midmajor". Trolling BYU
articles is the same thing as Chris B., so you might as well be the same person.
BYU won just as many BCS titles as the PAC-12 did during the BCS
era. Zero. The league is much improved than it was during the BCS era as they
have all benefited from USC being sanctioned. However, it is unlikely that
teams from the PAC-12 will go undefeated, especially as they increase out of
conference competition. BYU has a much better chance of going undefeated than
Stanford, Oregon or UCLA. An undefeated BYU will make it in over a one or two
loss PAC team most years. IF they don't at least they go to a New Years
Bowl.As for the stickers, its funny that most of the PAC-12 stickers
I see do not have any U stickers accompanying them. Celebrate the conference.
Its all you have.
@My perspectiveThat is certainly your perspective. It varies
drastically with reality. BYU leaving the MWC ended nearly all sponsorship of
the MWC network and the network folded. BYU was the in-conference money game to
all the other teams in the league. This extended to basketball and even other
sports. When it came to competition BYU racked up title after title in all
sports. Utah was probably second to BYU, but it was a long way behind BYU in
both of these categories. I am giddy with the schedule. There are
five highly meaningful games and seven teams who made bowls last year. In the
past there were usually only three good games. Even our filler games are
significantly much more entertaining than what we have had in the past. I
can't wait to see Savannah State this year. This is the last chance to see
a SWAC team come to Utah as that league likely drops football in the coming
decade. Never thought I would see a day when the best all-black schools would
come to the state. Cal, UConn and VA all are better than WY, CSU, NM.
Steven S Jarvis:Whether or not the Y would "want" to return
to the MWC is completely irrelevant, because it isn't their choice. The Y
CAN'T return to the MWC without an invitation, and you won't GET that
invitation because you can't get a 75% approval from its league members.
Your only choices are either remaining indy-irrelevant, or petitioning C-USA.
@ Steven S JarvisI'm not Chris B. Give me a break.The reason you haven't seen any MWC or WAC stickers is because those
leagues are not prestigious. Utah has been in both, and now has grown to be a
full member of one of the most elite conferences in the nation. Ute fans are
proud of that, and that is why you see PAC-12 stickers. It's a celebration
of our inclusion and of our potential for growth and future accomplishments.
The fact that it riles up jealous BYU fans is just a bonus.Also, BYU
is a mid-major. They do NOT have the same chance of making the playoffs as any
PAC team. Not even close.
BlueHuskyMission Viejo, CASteven S JarvisOrem, UTCarrying the league? LOL! The only thing byu ever carried was itself.
They have a rich history of doing nothing for no body. The last 10 years in the
MWC saw byu in the bottom of the top third. If byu is as great as you want to
think it is, it would be in an elite conference. Stop fooling yourself.Look, we get it...you guys don't like that Utah fans enjoy showing
what our school has accomplished. If it were byu, the euphemism would be
"exposure." We also get that you guys don't like being left out.
Too bad...that isn't Utah's fault (see byu).Back to the
topic at hand...great home sched the cougs have this year. You must be giddy
with excitement.Rise and shout!
@2Fer/Chris BI never have seen a MWC or WAC sticker. Don't
know if they even sell them since there isn't a market for league stickers.
What I do see most of are team stickers such as BYU, Cal, Stanford, USC or
UCLA. Occasionally in Utah I have seen trucks with both PAC-12 and Utah
stickers.@Naval VetYou are being ridiculous. BYU has no
reason to go back to the MWC. They were carrying the league since its formation
and no doubt would be welcomed back since BYU brings significant money to the
table. BYU is successful both on the field, and financially with its sports
program. They have a fair chance at making the New Years bowl lineup playing
Indy and about the same chance as any team in PAC at making the playoffs if they
manage to go undefeated. They also win in other sports.
I Live in SoCal. I've never seen a PAC-12 sticker. I have some Husky shirts
and a windbreaker. I have an OSU shirt or two. No Pac12 shirt or sticker.Last year, I wore my Husky windbreaker over a BYU shirt on the UCLA-USC
gameday. No PAC12 stickers. I sat with a bunch of UCLA fans. One lady told me
that BYU and Washington were her two favorite teams (I guess her husband was a
UCLA grad).Of course, I've always hated UCLA and USC. But
strangely, I'm finding I hate ULCA more as I rooted for USC. Even more
strangely, nobody here in SoCal roots for Utah, and nobody respects them. The
Rose Bowl will have 15,000 BYU fans. How many Ute fans will attend a UCLA home
game? Just asking.Gotta win some, Ute fans, before you blow your
horns. You're just another bump in the road to most PAC-12 teams.
PapaLinusAZGilbert, AZ"BYU's situation isn't
great, but I'd take their's over Utah's, the newest punching bag
for the top Pac 10 schools."You would rather have dumbed down
schedules to make your team look good than compete against the very best the
nation has to offer? You, sir, are no Utah fan/man. Nope. I'm not buy
it...not even for a minute.
@ PapaLinusAZ"BYU's situation isn't great, but
I'd take their's over Utah's"Nobody with an ounce
of sense would take BYU's situation over Utah's. Nobody.
Well, Lifelong Ute, I'm a proud Utah grad living in Arizona State for the
past 22 years. BYU's situation isn't great, but I'd take
their's over Utah's, the newest punching bag for the top Pac 10
schools. You're right, the Pac 10 Really Wanted Utah. Think of what
you're saying before you pop off.
@ USNGaryHere in Utah we have the ability to distinguish which team
a person cheers for by conference (or lack thereof). MWC, Indy, or PAC-12.
Don't be upset by Ute fans for being proud of being part of the most
Driving through LA going to UCLA medical center, then driving to Pasadena to
have lunch a few months ago, I never saw a PAC 12 sticker and this area has 2
PAC 12 teams. Not one sticker.
Steven S JarvisOrem, UT"Utah is the only place driving
PAC-12 sticker sales. As I drove through Cali from south to north past UCLA,
USC, Stanford and Cal I saw zero PAC-12 stickers..."I too, was
in the heart of Pac-12 country recently. Oddly enough, I did see Pac-12
stickers and Pac-12 tee-shirts as well. In fact, I was overseas a while back
and saw Pac-12 gear there as well. We love our "U" sign too, Steve :)
ColbyCougar:"Your team was the 12th of 12 teams wanted in that
conference and not even their 3, 4, or 5th choice at that....you were selected,
only after Texas and at least Oklahoma were given consideration. Colorado came
next, and then the pitiful team on the hill that has been exactly what the PAC12
wants. A poor team, that doesn't upset the balance of the current
PAC12...Do you really think USC, Oregon, UCLA and Stanford's athletic
directors voted to have Utah in the conference because they were excited about
more competition?"So if Utah and CU were selected because the
Pac-10 really wanted a couple of poor teams, but we weren't their top
"poor team" choice, then what you're saying is Texas and OU were
more desired because they'd be even WORSE than Utah and CU?Cougar logic. Wow. Just wow!
CougFaninTX:"While I'm not as thrilled with this years,
schedule, it still beats playing a MWC schedule by a long shot."No it doesn't. According to Phil Steele's 2014 preseason magazine,
your SOS ranks #73. And that puts your SOS smack dab in the middle of such MWC
teams as #59 Wyo, #65 BSU, #66 SJSU, #67 Hawai'i, #75 Nevada, #80 UNLV, #81
FSU, and #82 UNM.So no, it doesn't beat playing in the MWC.
SOS-wise, it's about the same. However the MWC would have provided
significantly decreased travel costs, meaningful games, and historical
rivalries. But right now, that's really neither here nor there, because
you don't have the OPTION to return to the MWC. You can't get a 75%
approval vote. So you're now stuck with indy-irrelevance, or petitioning
@My perspective/Chris B. (same guy different accounts)Utah is the
only place driving PAC-12 sticker sales. As I drove through Cali from south to
north past UCLA, USC, Stanford and Cal I saw zero PAC-12 stickers. No one
outside of Utah celebrates a conference. That and BYU's success is the
only thing that matters to Ute fans. Its as if Utah has nothing of value on its
own. They are just a venue for good football teams to come in and beat up on
and its all good with the PAC-12 fans.Are there even real Utah fans
or are they all just PAC-12 fans that happen to live in Utah and support the
real programs of the league.Correct me if I am wrong, but
hasn't Utah amassed one single PAC-12 championship (gymnastics last year)
in three years?
USNGarySan Diego, CA"If you don't care about BYU,
don't read their articles. I don't read Utah articles and I don't
comment on them because as BYU fans we have moved on."You assert
your practice is to not read or comment on Utah articles. Yet, you speak on
behlf of the entire byu fan base by claiming "we" have moved on.
Priceless! The reality is that Utah articles are full of byu fans who have
"moved on."Personally, I like having byu fans comment on
Utah articles. Make no mistake about it, whether it's comments on Utah
articles or byu articles, byu and its fans are being laughed at.Back
to the topic at hand...great schedule this year for the cougs. The slate of
home games will, without a doubt, pack in the crowds at LES.
If you don't care about BYU, don't read their articles. I don't
read Utah articles and I don't comment on them because as BYU fans we have
CougarColbyFort Benning, GABitter, much?Based on
the article, which you failed to even mention in your rant, the most exciting
home game byu has to look forward to is Utah St. byu fans should be bitter but
be careful who you blame for the predicament byu is in. It isn't
Utah's fault.From a Utah fan who sports Pac-12 stickers, it is
fun watching byu athletics (from Holmoe to a head football coach) grovel to get
what Utah already has.Happy 4th!
LIfelong Ute, Your team was the 12th of 12 teams wanted in that
conference and not even their 3, 4, or 5th choice at that. The PAC12 needed 12
teams to have two division and a championship game according to NCAA rules.
Therefore, you were selected, only after Texas and at least Oklahoma were given
consideration. Colorado came next, and then the pitiful team on the hill that
has been exactly what the PAC12 wants. A poor team, that doesn't upset the
balance of the current PAC12. Do you really think USC, Oregon, UCLA
and Stanford's athletic directors voted to have Utah in the conference
because they were excited about more competition? No, they want to be the top
dogs and if including Utah and Colorado means two divisions and a championship
game, they took it. Because they know both teams will continue to be
insignificant and won't harm their 1st tier image.I guess you
guys do enjoy it though, you seem to rep your conference more than your team
with all those stickers...
@ Mesa CougThe only thing pathetic here is the fact that BYU
hasn't even held a lead on Utah since the first half of the game in 2011.
When will Utes, who say they've move on, really moved on? If it's not
chrisb, it's another ute who leads the comments. Face it, U are loyal BYU
followers. You may not be fans, but you are followers.I loved last
seasons schedule. It was on par, or more difficult than most teams in any big 5
conference. While I'm not as thrilled with this years, schedule, it still
beats playing a MWC schedule by a long shot.I especially love that
my beloved Cougs will make another trip to Texas. I'll be in Austin
cheering them on, just like I was in Houston last year.It is nice
knowing that we can compete against our schedule and may even have a shot at a
special season. I don't understand how the Utes can knock our SOS. I
can't imagine what it would be like looking at a SOS that U have no shot at
winning. Face it, U can't compete at the PAC level. Best case scenario is
5 wins, and 4 is more likely with another trip to the bowling alley in December.
I wonder where Whit will end up after this season?
Lifelong UteThanks for paying attention to my Cougars. Just shows
how pathetic the team on the hill is when you follow us so closely.GO COUGARS!
On the eve of Independence day, I give thanks my team was wanted by a real
conference and doesn't have an awful independent schedule like this!Go Utes!