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Published: Wednesday, July 2 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

News Flash - Obama has taken over the states responsibility for running elections. State elections boards disbanded. Constitution amended..... we all just must have missed it. Obama sets the rules for elections in Utah... amazing.

What next, Obama is also responsible for the Great Depression too.... the Civil War..... the low snow pack.... shoot, there has to be a whole lot more stuff Obama is responsible for we haven't blamed him for. Small business that can keep up with new market models.... Obama's fault. Digital photography taking out photo labs.... Obamas fault. Cereal going soggy in the morning... Obamas fault.

Will the nonsense ever end? Since when does the White House dictate a constitutional responsibility explicitly granted and mandated to the states.

Mike - are you demanding the the Governor of Utah ensure every speeder is cited for breaking the law? If not... why not? Don't you think you should demand Herbert "enforce the laws, as written by Congress, or that he be removed from office." Or is this just one more example of double standard gone amuck?

SCfan
clearfield, UT

OMM
Agreeing with both 2 bits and Joe Capitalist, I'd like to add:
The military/guard who have returned from overseas would be good in helping with Border Patrol. And the Army Corps of engineers building more walls, like in San Diego area, that have reduced illegals in that area would be good use of resources. Plus, money should be no reason to not secure borders. Money could come from money saved by getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan. It also could come out of Obamas shovel ready jobs stash. Or has that already been spent?

OneWifeOnly
San Diego, CA

2Bits, here is how I figured it out. You can Google these statistics.
Central America ranks #1 in the world for intentional murders and South America ranks #3. Honduras, Venezuela, El Salvador and Guatemala rank #1, #2, #5 and #6 for countries with the highest murder rates in the world. These are the region/countries where these children are from.

I live in a city where some of these children were sent for processing and they were met with a mob of angry protesters ala “Grapes of Wrath”. These protesters and this article’s commentators suggest that the Obama administration is not following the law. But the law allows asylum to persons who meet the definition of refugee and who are of special humanitarian concern to the United States. Our country also provides a system of due process. Once a person is arrested, whether for entering our country illegally or for any other crime, that person is given their day in court. Therefore, these children need to be processed.
Still many commentators believe these people deserve no process at all—just pack ‘em up and send them back; no questions asked and no concern about their safety in their home country.

RichardB
Murray, UT

@Roland Kayser
The author never mentioned Mexico?

We have known since 1986 how to stop illegal border crossing. Building the wall, implement e-verify with strict business penalties, interior enforcement-making it past the border does not guarantee people here illegally can stay, and more judges and law clerks. Sadly these parts of the 1986 amnesty were never enforced. Nor was the visa entry-exit system passed in the 1996 reform implemented.

We know how (just like other countries) we just have leaders that obstruct the enforcement of our laws. Blaming Republicans is funny, the house has passed more immigration laws this year than the Senate. Most are enforcement, and never allowed on the floor by Senator Harry Reid.

Until the 1986 and 1996 reform laws are fully implemented, we need to slow down legal immigration. Both the Rasmussen report and Gallop polls show America wants less legal immigration, and the laws enforced by a 2 to one margin.

prelax
Murray, UT

Do people really believe that the United States can't enforce it's border with proper leadership?

A new CNN poll shows only 35% said they approved of the President's handling of illegal immigration.

Deporting 12 million, according to a government study done in 2007 by the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency put the cost at 94 billion. This is a one time cost, that does not include self deportation. The Federation for American Immigration Reform puts the cost of illegal immigration at $113 billion per year. When you add in the boost to our economy from putting millions of Americans back to work in non agriculture jobs, we can't afford not to.

silo
Sandy, UT

@joecapitalist2
"but don't refuse to execute the laws (I'm talking to you Obama) just because you don't like them or they get in the way of your political aspirations."

Under the current law, Mexican immigrants, including children, can be turned away at the border. Central American children cannot because they are protected by refugee status according to the Homeland Security Act of 2002 and the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization act of 2008. Both codified into law before Obama was elected.

Under these laws, these children must be screened and handed over to HHS department for refugee resettlement.

Border Patrol is executing the current laws, which is why these Central America children will have refugee protections in the US and likely be allowed to remain here. Obama has requested Congress change these existing laws to allow better response to this situation. Congress has refused.

Perhaps you should point your ire at those who actually deserve it.

prelax
Murray, UT

@OneWifeOnly

Our immigration laws have a list of countries that people can be granted asylum. None of the countries these people are coming from are on the list.

The Obama administration advertised for bids for a vendor to contract to handle 65,000 ‘Unaccompanied Alien Children’ back in January. He is using the children as a pawn, shame on him. He knew this was coming and did nothing to stop it.

The children should be processed and returned to their parents. Why is Obama letting people stay here and not turning them back at the border? This is the real price of amnesty, more people dying, more families separated, all to supply business with cheap labor.

Ford DeTreese
Provo, UT

Mike,

Where were you when George and Dick were not enforcing the law? No complaints then. Oh, I get it. It's different when a Democrat doesn't enforce laws. The laws the Republicans fail to enforce are unjust laws, so they don't count.

2 bits,

You really think that the president getting on the phone with leaders of other countries that are hemorrhaging citizens and making silly threats will have any effect on them? If they knew what they were doing, they would create countries where people actually want to live. Like here. And those volunteers who will help watch the border? How long do you really think that will last? And what about all those illegals who come here legally but decide to overstay their visa? Should we beef up airport security too and put ankle monitors on all foreign visitors so we can track them? Try coming up with some real solutions.

Real Mav,

What about the businesses (like farmers) that can't get American citizens to take the jobs they need filled? Put those farmers in prison too and take their business away? Right.

prelax
Murray, UT

@silo

The Homeland Security Act of 2002, (1) In General. - The primary mission of the Department is to

(A) prevent terrorist attacks within the United States;, (B) reduce the vulnerability of the United States to terrorism; and, (C) minimize the damage, and assist in the recovery, from terrorist attacks that do occur within the United States." Central American countries are not on the refugee status list for asylum. Both newspapers in Utah have carried articles about families and children deported to those countries after claiming asylum.

The victims protection act does not give refugee status either. And since Obama's administration paid for the human trafficking in this country, I don't see how either one applies.

silo
Sandy, UT

@prelax
"Our immigration laws have a list of countries that people can be granted asylum."
-The laws pertaining specifically to children are different than those dealing with adults.

"The Obama administration advertised for bids for a vendor to contract to handle 65,000...He knew this was coming and did nothing to stop it. "
- Please refrain from repeating Rush and Glenn talking points without doing your own research. The Customs and Border Protection website shows clear stats, year over year, of the Unaccompanied Alien Children numbers. The 65000 estimate is absolutely in line with the growing trend from 2009-2014. Soliciting a vendor to handle these numbers was absolutely 'doing something about it', and in no way changes the legal requirements in how they are to be handled.

"Why is Obama letting people stay here and not turning them back at the border"
- Explained several times already. US laws, passed in 2002 and 2008, do not allow Obama, or anyone else to simply 'turn them back'. Obama is trying to correct this, but requires Congress' cooperation. Read 'Letter from the President -- Efforts to Address the Humanitarian Situation in the Rio Grande Valley Areas of Our Nations Southwest Border', date june 30th, on the whitehouse website

RRB
SLC, UT

Obama has taken states to court to stop voter ID laws. Does that mean he is running state voting laws? No, it means he is trying to prevent voters from showing id to vote in Federal elections.

George Bush Jr. tried to pass amnesty, but the American people stopped it (2006-07).

Grapes of Wrath? really? Bad analogy. They were trying to stop Americans from coming to California. These children that Obama is using, and the 39,000 adults with them (and growing) are foreign citizens.

Shame on the pro-illegal groups for resorting to such horrible tactics to get what they want.

silo
Sandy, UT

@prelax

Read the law, not just the summary.

The Homeland Security Act of 2002 - SEC. 462. CHILDREN’S AFFAIRS. Page 68 of 187

When you finish, appeal to our lawmakers to fast track changes to allow immediate deportation of children, or greenlight Obama to make an executive order, or continue to be spoonfed facts and selectively embrace only some of them. I can't guide you any further...last post.

Shaun
Sandy, UT

Playing devils advocate. There are many people who were in favor of going to war with Iraq and believed we had the duty to help Iraqi citizens obtain freedom. What is the real difference between helping Iraqi citizens and helping immigrants? Both want a better life for themselves and their children.

RRB
SLC, UT

@silo

Because children south of Mexico would die if turned away, it sets up provisions to give aid, find out their names and return them to parents or family. The law does not give them asylum.

Obama knew this influx was coming and did nothing about it. He's jumped the shark on immigration.

He's proved to the American people that promises of amnesty will just further the current problem.

SLars
Provo, UT

@Shaun
We have a way to do that already, it's called legal immigration. We let in over one million a year, with 3.2 million visas. Two out of three Americans think that is to much, and numbers need to be reduced back to the 500,000 we use to give out.

@silo
Your reading to much into that law, they are not refugees, but detainee's until they can be reunited with family and returned home. The law does not give them a free pass to stay. What about the 39,000 adults let into the country with the children? How do you explain that?

By your own admission, (and many media outlets) Obama knew they were coming, and did nothing.

8 communities have blocked Obama from using their cities for his game of chicken using children of third world countries.

SLars
Provo, UT

"Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), who represents the border sector most impacted by the ongoing border crisis, bucked Pres. Obama and his party's leadership by saying that the United States should deport all illegal border crossers immediately, regardless of what country they're from. Cuellar said that's the policy the U.S. has for illegal border crossers from Mexico, and the country should treat all illegal border crossers the same."

Even the Democrats are turning on him.

Shaun
Sandy, UT

@Slars. How does a person with no means obtain legal immigration?

The solutions that people are proposing are unrealistic. What are we going to do build a bigger fence? Hire more border and immigration agents? We can't even fund our infrastructure.

I am not pro illegal immigration. I pro finding a true workable solution.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Those in the LDS leadership have urged compassion on this issue. So I need to ask Mormon conservatives this, are you more beholden to the GOP or more beholden to your church leadership and their counsel? A key question going forward for sure...

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

This whole "refuses to enforce the law" rhetoric is a bit old..... One side of my family is from Southern California...dating back into the 50s. Even before that date, there have been "illegals" coming into California. Is the premise here that all Presidents of this country refused to enforce the law? Even Reagan?

What a bizarre tactic to all of a sudden claim that despite over a half century of similar behavior, that only now when you have a black Democrat president that this constitutes turning a blind eye to the law. What was it when Reagan failed to do anything more? Johnson, Bush, Nixon... this list goes on and on? Remember Ceaser Chaves?

This is all about economics. So long as Americans demand low prices from places like Walmart - low cost labor is going to be in demand by employers. So long as the US is the land of "opportunity", people will come here trying to better their lives. It is an equation that has been in play for over 100 years.

This is not anything new.... this is why they teach history so we don't have fact-less conversations based on hysteria and bias.

OneWifeOnly
San Diego, CA

Prelax,
Not sure you are correct stating that “our immigration laws already include a list of countries that people can be granted asylum.” Citation please?

A quick google search will provide a list of the top 25 countries where most people granted asylum come from. Included on the list are the following South American countries: Guatemala (#8), El Salvador (#10), Columbia, Honduras.

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