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  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    July 5, 2014 1:07 a.m.

    What we are seeing now is not "immigration," it's invasion. Immigration happens when people are permitted to enter a country. Invasion happens when people jump the borders and demand things of residents. It's like the difference between a house guest and a burglar. Simple and straightforward for anyone with the ability to reason.

  • Jl Sandy, UT
    July 4, 2014 7:15 a.m.

    I suggest Mike Richards read the 9th commandment then offer proof for his hype.

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    July 3, 2014 8:14 p.m.

    I learned very early in my public elementary school teaching career that if you wanted to create more bad behavior all that I had to do was ignore the bad behavior and if I wanted to increase the bad behavior at a faster rate all I had to do was reward it. It is human nature that bad behavior will always get worse if there are no consequences.

    Not only has the Obama Administration been ignoring the bad behavior of those that enter and stay in the United States illegally, but the illegal aliens are being rewarded with what they came here for in the first place, schools, medical, jobs, and a better life. I really don't blame them, I blame the Obama Administration and the previous Bush Administration for not enforcing immigration laws not only for the illegal aliens, but the employers that hire illegal labor.

    As long as the Administration continues to reward illegal immigration it will continue to get worse. Presently due to the lack of consequences the illegal immigrants feel that they have been invited and entitled to enter the U.S. illegally.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    July 3, 2014 7:22 p.m.

    In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presidential vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Census Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.

    Two Government offices that have determined that people have voted here illegally.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 3, 2014 5:01 p.m.

    @Mike Richards
    " Obama refuses to check voter I.D. which allows MANY illegals to vote in American elections."

    And what, do illegal immigrants just get lucky in picking names of registered voters to sign in as? Your claim seems to ignore the fact that there's virtually no voter fraud in this country.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    July 3, 2014 3:47 p.m.

    @Shaun
    Over a million people with very little means come here each year legally (on green cards). Ask them how they do it. There are work visas that can be turned into residency cards, and end up as green cards. Also many organizations that help people. If one million each year can do it, there is no reason the 12 million here illegally can't.

    Why is there a fence around the White house? Military bases? etc. Fences make good neighbors. At an estimated cost of $113 billion per year for people here illegally, a fence makes sense financially.

    Most people look at the immigration to this country and talk about the 1776-1976 period as wide open and unlimited. A recent poll showed that only 18% of Americans know that we are giving out more green cards now, than any time in history. Double the number yearly from the 1776-1976 period.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 3, 2014 2:59 p.m.

    @OneWifeOnly

    My use of asylum was incorrect. The Obama administration is using refugee status as an excuse, try searching refugee. There is a specific list.

    A person can be given asylum from any country. It use to be rare, Obama has made it commonplace.

    @Howard Beal
    The LDS church leadership has told people to come here legally. They urge compassion, but rewarding people with citizenship or allowing them to stay is not compassion in my opinion. Compassion is teaching people right from wrong and enforcing the laws. Would you reward a child's bad behavior and call it compassion? What would the child learn from your actions? That bad behavior was OK?

    How about compassion for those who lost their jobs, were victims of people here illegally or had their id stolen? They are doing things right, they should be rewarded.

    I defer to God who tells us not to lie, steal or covet. Business needs to clean up it's act and start being a good community member.

  • OneWifeOnly San Diego, CA
    July 3, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    Prelax,
    Not sure you are correct stating that “our immigration laws already include a list of countries that people can be granted asylum.” Citation please?

    A quick google search will provide a list of the top 25 countries where most people granted asylum come from. Included on the list are the following South American countries: Guatemala (#8), El Salvador (#10), Columbia, Honduras.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 3, 2014 6:10 a.m.

    This whole "refuses to enforce the law" rhetoric is a bit old..... One side of my family is from Southern California...dating back into the 50s. Even before that date, there have been "illegals" coming into California. Is the premise here that all Presidents of this country refused to enforce the law? Even Reagan?

    What a bizarre tactic to all of a sudden claim that despite over a half century of similar behavior, that only now when you have a black Democrat president that this constitutes turning a blind eye to the law. What was it when Reagan failed to do anything more? Johnson, Bush, Nixon... this list goes on and on? Remember Ceaser Chaves?

    This is all about economics. So long as Americans demand low prices from places like Walmart - low cost labor is going to be in demand by employers. So long as the US is the land of "opportunity", people will come here trying to better their lives. It is an equation that has been in play for over 100 years.

    This is not anything new.... this is why they teach history so we don't have fact-less conversations based on hysteria and bias.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    July 3, 2014 1:12 a.m.

    Those in the LDS leadership have urged compassion on this issue. So I need to ask Mormon conservatives this, are you more beholden to the GOP or more beholden to your church leadership and their counsel? A key question going forward for sure...

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    July 2, 2014 11:06 p.m.

    @Slars. How does a person with no means obtain legal immigration?

    The solutions that people are proposing are unrealistic. What are we going to do build a bigger fence? Hire more border and immigration agents? We can't even fund our infrastructure.

    I am not pro illegal immigration. I pro finding a true workable solution.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    July 2, 2014 6:37 p.m.

    "Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), who represents the border sector most impacted by the ongoing border crisis, bucked Pres. Obama and his party's leadership by saying that the United States should deport all illegal border crossers immediately, regardless of what country they're from. Cuellar said that's the policy the U.S. has for illegal border crossers from Mexico, and the country should treat all illegal border crossers the same."

    Even the Democrats are turning on him.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    July 2, 2014 6:37 p.m.

    @Shaun
    We have a way to do that already, it's called legal immigration. We let in over one million a year, with 3.2 million visas. Two out of three Americans think that is to much, and numbers need to be reduced back to the 500,000 we use to give out.

    @silo
    Your reading to much into that law, they are not refugees, but detainee's until they can be reunited with family and returned home. The law does not give them a free pass to stay. What about the 39,000 adults let into the country with the children? How do you explain that?

    By your own admission, (and many media outlets) Obama knew they were coming, and did nothing.

    8 communities have blocked Obama from using their cities for his game of chicken using children of third world countries.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    July 2, 2014 6:12 p.m.

    @silo

    Because children south of Mexico would die if turned away, it sets up provisions to give aid, find out their names and return them to parents or family. The law does not give them asylum.

    Obama knew this influx was coming and did nothing about it. He's jumped the shark on immigration.

    He's proved to the American people that promises of amnesty will just further the current problem.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    July 2, 2014 5:28 p.m.

    Playing devils advocate. There are many people who were in favor of going to war with Iraq and believed we had the duty to help Iraqi citizens obtain freedom. What is the real difference between helping Iraqi citizens and helping immigrants? Both want a better life for themselves and their children.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    July 2, 2014 5:14 p.m.

    @prelax

    Read the law, not just the summary.

    The Homeland Security Act of 2002 - SEC. 462. CHILDREN’S AFFAIRS. Page 68 of 187

    When you finish, appeal to our lawmakers to fast track changes to allow immediate deportation of children, or greenlight Obama to make an executive order, or continue to be spoonfed facts and selectively embrace only some of them. I can't guide you any further...last post.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    July 2, 2014 5:13 p.m.

    Obama has taken states to court to stop voter ID laws. Does that mean he is running state voting laws? No, it means he is trying to prevent voters from showing id to vote in Federal elections.

    George Bush Jr. tried to pass amnesty, but the American people stopped it (2006-07).

    Grapes of Wrath? really? Bad analogy. They were trying to stop Americans from coming to California. These children that Obama is using, and the 39,000 adults with them (and growing) are foreign citizens.

    Shame on the pro-illegal groups for resorting to such horrible tactics to get what they want.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    July 2, 2014 5:02 p.m.

    @prelax
    "Our immigration laws have a list of countries that people can be granted asylum."
    -The laws pertaining specifically to children are different than those dealing with adults.

    "The Obama administration advertised for bids for a vendor to contract to handle 65,000...He knew this was coming and did nothing to stop it. "
    - Please refrain from repeating Rush and Glenn talking points without doing your own research. The Customs and Border Protection website shows clear stats, year over year, of the Unaccompanied Alien Children numbers. The 65000 estimate is absolutely in line with the growing trend from 2009-2014. Soliciting a vendor to handle these numbers was absolutely 'doing something about it', and in no way changes the legal requirements in how they are to be handled.

    "Why is Obama letting people stay here and not turning them back at the border"
    - Explained several times already. US laws, passed in 2002 and 2008, do not allow Obama, or anyone else to simply 'turn them back'. Obama is trying to correct this, but requires Congress' cooperation. Read 'Letter from the President -- Efforts to Address the Humanitarian Situation in the Rio Grande Valley Areas of Our Nations Southwest Border', date june 30th, on the whitehouse website

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 2, 2014 4:31 p.m.

    @silo

    The Homeland Security Act of 2002, (1) In General. - The primary mission of the Department is to

    (A) prevent terrorist attacks within the United States;, (B) reduce the vulnerability of the United States to terrorism; and, (C) minimize the damage, and assist in the recovery, from terrorist attacks that do occur within the United States." Central American countries are not on the refugee status list for asylum. Both newspapers in Utah have carried articles about families and children deported to those countries after claiming asylum.

    The victims protection act does not give refugee status either. And since Obama's administration paid for the human trafficking in this country, I don't see how either one applies.

  • Ford DeTreese Provo, UT
    July 2, 2014 4:21 p.m.

    Mike,

    Where were you when George and Dick were not enforcing the law? No complaints then. Oh, I get it. It's different when a Democrat doesn't enforce laws. The laws the Republicans fail to enforce are unjust laws, so they don't count.

    2 bits,

    You really think that the president getting on the phone with leaders of other countries that are hemorrhaging citizens and making silly threats will have any effect on them? If they knew what they were doing, they would create countries where people actually want to live. Like here. And those volunteers who will help watch the border? How long do you really think that will last? And what about all those illegals who come here legally but decide to overstay their visa? Should we beef up airport security too and put ankle monitors on all foreign visitors so we can track them? Try coming up with some real solutions.

    Real Mav,

    What about the businesses (like farmers) that can't get American citizens to take the jobs they need filled? Put those farmers in prison too and take their business away? Right.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 2, 2014 3:48 p.m.

    @OneWifeOnly

    Our immigration laws have a list of countries that people can be granted asylum. None of the countries these people are coming from are on the list.

    The Obama administration advertised for bids for a vendor to contract to handle 65,000 ‘Unaccompanied Alien Children’ back in January. He is using the children as a pawn, shame on him. He knew this was coming and did nothing to stop it.

    The children should be processed and returned to their parents. Why is Obama letting people stay here and not turning them back at the border? This is the real price of amnesty, more people dying, more families separated, all to supply business with cheap labor.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    July 2, 2014 3:43 p.m.

    @joecapitalist2
    "but don't refuse to execute the laws (I'm talking to you Obama) just because you don't like them or they get in the way of your political aspirations."

    Under the current law, Mexican immigrants, including children, can be turned away at the border. Central American children cannot because they are protected by refugee status according to the Homeland Security Act of 2002 and the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization act of 2008. Both codified into law before Obama was elected.

    Under these laws, these children must be screened and handed over to HHS department for refugee resettlement.

    Border Patrol is executing the current laws, which is why these Central America children will have refugee protections in the US and likely be allowed to remain here. Obama has requested Congress change these existing laws to allow better response to this situation. Congress has refused.

    Perhaps you should point your ire at those who actually deserve it.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 2, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    Do people really believe that the United States can't enforce it's border with proper leadership?

    A new CNN poll shows only 35% said they approved of the President's handling of illegal immigration.

    Deporting 12 million, according to a government study done in 2007 by the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency put the cost at 94 billion. This is a one time cost, that does not include self deportation. The Federation for American Immigration Reform puts the cost of illegal immigration at $113 billion per year. When you add in the boost to our economy from putting millions of Americans back to work in non agriculture jobs, we can't afford not to.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 2, 2014 2:54 p.m.

    @Roland Kayser
    The author never mentioned Mexico?

    We have known since 1986 how to stop illegal border crossing. Building the wall, implement e-verify with strict business penalties, interior enforcement-making it past the border does not guarantee people here illegally can stay, and more judges and law clerks. Sadly these parts of the 1986 amnesty were never enforced. Nor was the visa entry-exit system passed in the 1996 reform implemented.

    We know how (just like other countries) we just have leaders that obstruct the enforcement of our laws. Blaming Republicans is funny, the house has passed more immigration laws this year than the Senate. Most are enforcement, and never allowed on the floor by Senator Harry Reid.

    Until the 1986 and 1996 reform laws are fully implemented, we need to slow down legal immigration. Both the Rasmussen report and Gallop polls show America wants less legal immigration, and the laws enforced by a 2 to one margin.

  • OneWifeOnly San Diego, CA
    July 2, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    2Bits, here is how I figured it out. You can Google these statistics.
    Central America ranks #1 in the world for intentional murders and South America ranks #3. Honduras, Venezuela, El Salvador and Guatemala rank #1, #2, #5 and #6 for countries with the highest murder rates in the world. These are the region/countries where these children are from.

    I live in a city where some of these children were sent for processing and they were met with a mob of angry protesters ala “Grapes of Wrath”. These protesters and this article’s commentators suggest that the Obama administration is not following the law. But the law allows asylum to persons who meet the definition of refugee and who are of special humanitarian concern to the United States. Our country also provides a system of due process. Once a person is arrested, whether for entering our country illegally or for any other crime, that person is given their day in court. Therefore, these children need to be processed.
    Still many commentators believe these people deserve no process at all—just pack ‘em up and send them back; no questions asked and no concern about their safety in their home country.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 2, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    OMM
    Agreeing with both 2 bits and Joe Capitalist, I'd like to add:
    The military/guard who have returned from overseas would be good in helping with Border Patrol. And the Army Corps of engineers building more walls, like in San Diego area, that have reduced illegals in that area would be good use of resources. Plus, money should be no reason to not secure borders. Money could come from money saved by getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan. It also could come out of Obamas shovel ready jobs stash. Or has that already been spent?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 2, 2014 1:41 p.m.

    News Flash - Obama has taken over the states responsibility for running elections. State elections boards disbanded. Constitution amended..... we all just must have missed it. Obama sets the rules for elections in Utah... amazing.

    What next, Obama is also responsible for the Great Depression too.... the Civil War..... the low snow pack.... shoot, there has to be a whole lot more stuff Obama is responsible for we haven't blamed him for. Small business that can keep up with new market models.... Obama's fault. Digital photography taking out photo labs.... Obamas fault. Cereal going soggy in the morning... Obamas fault.

    Will the nonsense ever end? Since when does the White House dictate a constitutional responsibility explicitly granted and mandated to the states.

    Mike - are you demanding the the Governor of Utah ensure every speeder is cited for breaking the law? If not... why not? Don't you think you should demand Herbert "enforce the laws, as written by Congress, or that he be removed from office." Or is this just one more example of double standard gone amuck?

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 2, 2014 1:40 p.m.

    Open Minded Mormon:

    The solution is simple (and not that expensive).

    1) Send a clear signal to everyone in the world that trying to sneak across our borders will not get you a job or government benefits. Deny all those things to illegals (including voting). The federal government needs to stop fighting every state that tries to verify that the voters are legal residents.

    2) If the LEGAL immigration policy is broken (as many claim) then fix it, but don't refuse to execute the laws (I'm talking to you Obama) just because you don't like them or they get in the way of your political aspirations.

    3) If you do #1 and #2 then most people will follow the rules and get in line like everyone else. Sure a few will still sneak across, but it will be cheap to find and deport them when compared to dealing with millions of lawbreakers now.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 2, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    @OMM,
    My plan

    1. Our President picks up the phone and tells leaders of these countries that this won't be tolerated any more. They need to police their people. If they don't... we will deduct the cost of taking care of their problems from the amount of aid we normally send to them.

    They pay for it.

    We're not the world's police. OR the world's hotel...

    2. Many groups have offered to VOLUNTEER to be watchdogs on the border. They would be observers only. Just camp out in traffic areas and call the authorities when they see a group coming across (so the border patrol can intercept and turn them back or apprehend them for deportation).

    3. Border States have offered to help. LET THEM HELP. Don't sue them for helping!

    4. Be more open about deportations. Cover them in the news. Don't only report pitiful stories that in the end they get to stay. That just sends the message that it works. We need to publicize the story that it DOESN'T work. Show the pain...

    Oh wait... that could lose some politicians votes... so that's not going to happen.

    out of words...

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 2, 2014 12:40 p.m.

    OK 2 bits,
    Since you’ve gone after everyone here without ONE proposal,
    And have pointed out endless problems without a single solution.

    You have the podium.

    Please state:
    1. Your plan.
    2. How it operates without fail.
    and
    3. How you intend to PAY for it.

    Rules: As a conservative, you will not be allowed increase either the size or scope of Government, or be allowed to raise any taxes – especially on the rich.

    You will be allowed to use the NSA facility in Draper – since your side put it there and it will create jobs.

    For the rest of us, you will be required to stay within the realms of reality,
    It must not defy the laws of the physical universe, use magic, or imaginary Sci-Fi or comic Book super-powers [i.e., teleportation, seeing through walls, mind reading, etc.]

    Your move.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 2, 2014 12:27 p.m.

    OK 2 bits,
    Since you gone after everyone here without out ONE proposal,
    You have the podium.

    Please state:
    1. Your plan.
    and
    2. How you intend to PAY for it.

    Rules: As a conservative, you will not be allowed to either increase Government, or raise taxes.

    Your move.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2014 12:24 p.m.

    @Mike Richards:

    You say: "Obama refuses to check voter I.D. which allows MANY illegals to vote in American elections." Since you are the constitutional expert, please tell us where in the Constitution the president is authorized or required to check voter I.D. Isn't that a state function, preserved by the 10th Amendment?

    Also please cite your sources for the alleged fact that many illegals vote in American elections.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 2, 2014 11:51 a.m.

    @LDS Liberal,

    Re: "Some will not be happy unless there are concrete walls and machine gun nests aimed at little children "...

    Did I say I want machine guns?... give me a break!

    ============

    @OneWifeOnly,

    Re: "How hard your heart is"...

    Yes, yes, I just want them sent to the murder capitol of the world. How did you figure that out?

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    @silo,

    Re: "Why the vitriol"...

    I would think the above would qualify as "vitriol" more than my pointing out the obvious (and backing it up with real current numbers).

    It's not 2012 anymore. The statistics I referenced are current. If you can't even acknowledge that we have an immigration problem TODAY... you have your head in the sand. Just watch the news!

    ======

    IF the current net migration rate is zero, as you say... WHY is Obama considering an Executive Order??

    Do we use Executive Orders for non-problems now days?

    ===

    We're not just talking about Mexico. We're talking about ALL illegal immigration, from anywhere. Not just Mexico.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 2, 2014 11:35 a.m.

    To any of you soft on the border, just never complain about drugs in America, because as long as people can sneak across, so can drugs.

    And to any who want to blame Republicans, you can't get past the fact that Obama and the Democrats had total control of government when he first came to office. Neither he nor the Democrats did anything about passing immigration reform.

    And to any who think it is OK for millions of illegals to be and stay here, just go to an ATM maching in parts of California and be amazed that not only do they say push 1 for Spanish, and 2 for English, but they allow international transfers of money. Money that goes right out of the country. Billions of American dollars are sent south right out of our economy.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    July 2, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    Re:Mike Richards

    Thank you for finally bringing some Neo-Con reasoning to the debate on Imigration! I am amazed that it took so long for someone to finally state the obvious, Obama is the cause and the problem of illegals crossing our borders!

    I agree he should probably be drummed out of office for his lack of action on immigration, but first things first. In my opinion we should first impeach him for ordering the US soccer team to tank in the loss to Belgium Tues Aft. Down with King Obama, we are still angry he won the election, he needs to be humiliated and punished! The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

  • silo Sandy, UT
    July 2, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    @2 bits
    "and when you pull your head from the MSNBC created sand... tell us what you really see"

    Interesting response 2 bits. Why the vitriol when responding to a statement of fact? A simple search on 'net immigration from mexico' will lead you to a Wall Street Journal (not MSNBC) article titled 'Tide Turns on Border Crossing'. The article states clearly that in a 2012 study, the net migration to/from Mexico was level. Apologies if this disrupts your opinions.

    "Why not ALL of them??"

    Why not research it? A couple quick searches reveal that the law requires each one to receive a hearing before a judge. Some will then qualify for refugee status under current laws, so legally, not all can be deported. In fact, President Obama sought changes to the law to empower the border agents to act in that capacity, instead of a judge. Surprise! Republican Congress is resisting, saying Obama's trying to claim too much power. Surprise again! Obama's now considering executive order to force the changes.

  • OneWifeOnly San Diego, CA
    July 2, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    Response to 2Bits:
    You understand these children were not born and raised in Mexico right? They are from other South American countries with crime rates so high these children are fleeing their home country because they are afraid they will be murdered. Why? Because the criminals said it to their face! What would you do in that situation—commit a crime or take a difficult journey in hope for a better life (as in alive)?

    2Bits wrote:
    “President Obama said "SOME" of these children will be returned to their home country.... Why not ALL of them??”
    Because our country offers refuge to those who fear for their lives.

    How hard your heart is that you would want to send a child back to the murder capital of the world? Are we not all god's children?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 2, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    Some will not be happy unless there are concrete walls and machine gun nests aimed at little children crossing the borders.

    I will not allow America to become a 21st century version of Nazi Germany.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 2, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    Re: "The current net migration rate from Mexico is zero"...
    and when you pull your head from the MSNBC created sand... tell us what you really see.

    Google "13 facts that help explain America's child-migrant crisis"... and look at the "Border Apprehensions of Unaccompanied Children" graph. These are numbers reported by the Border Patrol deary (a Federal Agency). ~40,000 in 2013, and they project 60,000 in 2014!

    I mean talk about denying the facts...

    =============

    I feel for these children. They are in a pretty desperate situation. Reports from interviews with many of the children indicate it wasn't THEIR idea.... it was their parent's idea. And that they said the Americans would take them in and eventually reunite them with their parents in America. And there is already some talk of doing that (bringing the parents of the children to America).

    President Obama said "SOME" of these children will be returned to their home country.... Why not ALL of them??

    They need to be reunited with their parents... but not here. Exploiting your children should NOT be an express lane to bypass the INS...

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    July 2, 2014 8:05 a.m.

    Real Maverick:

    Your suggestion would prevent all those illegals from getting jobs and would thus reduce some of the appeal of crossing our borders illegally. But until you also cut off all the government benefits that illegals currently enjoy at our taxpayer expense, you won't make all the people think twice before breaking our laws.

    All those kids crossing our borders right now aren't getting jobs, but they are getting free medical care, housing, education, welfare, etc..

    Obama and other far-left "open borders" supporters wouldn't dream of cutting off all the benefits as long as they see every illegal crossing our border as a Democrat voter.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 2, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    Re: "The current net migration rate from Mexico is zero."

    Yeah -- tell that to overburdened Arizona and Texas taxpayers, or the good citizens of San Diego, being asked today to accept and absorb another several hundred illegals being bussed in from Texas, because inadequate facilities there are becoming criminally overcrowded.

    Tell it to the scores of thousands of unaccompanied children being exploited by Obama's venal, criminal assistants [coyotes] in the implementation of his open-borders vote-buying scam.

    Tell it to the Guatemalan, Salvadoran, and Southern Mexican villagers who are left to get by as best they can, during the mostly-unsuccessful crusades for lucrative American jobs of the work-eligible population of their villages.

    Suggesting that the open-borders crowd has not created, and doesn't continue to daily create innumerable problems for real people, on both sides of the border, by its cynical political shenanigans, amounts to aiding and abetting the worst humanitarian crisis in the Americas since Carter's Mariel Boatlift fiasco.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 2, 2014 7:45 a.m.

    It takes money to do what the writer advocates. The GOP refuses to do it's job and fund the enforcement they cry about. Time to vote out the GOP and the radical tea partiers causing so much humantarian grief.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 2, 2014 7:24 a.m.

    People are still crossing into America. Some are just sending their children. More than 12,000,000 people have crossed into America illegally. Much of California's deficit can be directly linked to illegal aliens who received government services without paying into the system.

    Have no doubt about it, Obama is using illegals to further his programs. Obama refuses to check voter I.D. which allows MANY illegals to vote in American elections.He refuses to enforce the laws of this nation. He modifies laws (legislates) which he is not allowed to do. He thumbs his nose at us, knowing that many will allow his lawlessness.

    It's time that Americans acted like Americans and demanded that either Obama enforce the laws, as written by Congress, or that he be removed from office. His oath of office means nothing to him or to those who support his failure to enforce the laws of the land.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    July 2, 2014 6:39 a.m.

    Like so many, the writer of this letter expresses a myoptic view. The immigrants coming across the southern border are only part of the undocumented people coming to the U.S. What about the 20 to 25% of Koreans who are here illegally? Or the second biggest nationality of those here illegally are Chinese? There are millions of others from non-hispanic nations. They fly here, not crossing the border. I believe there is some inherent racism involved in the discussion. Besides, there is no possible way to close the southern border. It's never, ever going to happen. Ranting about all the "Mexicans" is a joke, and responsible, mature people recognize that. What we are doing, and the demand to stop border crossings, is the wrong approach to the issue.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 2, 2014 6:29 a.m.

    Evelyn - have you actually visited the border? How do you propose we do this?

    Even if we built a concrete wall 30 feet high the nearly 2,000 miles length of the US Mexico border, with machine gun towers every few hundred yards, we would not stem this problem. Stalin's Soviet Union could not stop the people flow across its borders. Despite even the Berlin Wall, people found a way to cross that border. Using all the resources available to the Soviet military, they could not seal off the country.... what reasonable expectation do you have that we could do even more - or want to do more than Stalin did?

    We will never be able to close the border - its a fantasy. What we need to do is stem the reason why people come - and that is employers willing to turn a blind eye to the law so that they can have cheap labor. When the jobs go away, the flow of people also goes away. Your blaming the wrong person.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 2, 2014 2:13 a.m.

    So what are we supposed to do?

    Build a wall of soldiers? But repubs want soldiers back into Iraq! And into Ukraine, and Syria, and Egypt and just about everywhere.

    We could solve illegal immigration in 1 day.

    Pass and enforce 1 law: if you hire/have employed in your business an illegal, your business is automatically sold, you lose your business license, and you're sent to prison for 5+ years.

    That's it! Simple as that! The illegal immigration problem would be solved over night. Of course, repubs hate this idea because their big business campaign contributors buy them off with so much free speech.

    However, Since corporations are people, they need to follow the law. Why should they be a special class?

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 2, 2014 12:09 a.m.

    The current net migration rate from Mexico is zero. You just don't know about it, because you listen to news sources that spread disinformation.