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Published: Wednesday, July 2 2014 9:56 a.m. MDT

Updated: Wednesday, July 2 2014 9:56 a.m. MDT

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marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"But we also need to realize that, even with the election of an African-American president, the struggle for civil rights is not over. We have a long way to go."

All too true. I grew up in 50's Utah and partook of the racism of that period. Every time I am in the presence of a person of color I have to remind myself that they are of the same species as me. I hate to admit that but it is true.

I think there is still a lot of doubt and confusion about the origins of race. We now know that African-Americans are not "cursed" with a black skin, and that the whole "mark upon Cain" thing is myth. That message has not gotten down to many of the troops.

ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

Thank you DN for printing this column.

Our country indeed has a long way to go before it delivers it Constitutional promises to each member of its citizenry.

We may disagree on the means to insure freedom and justice for all, but surely we agree that this is a worthy goal.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Sad we even had to pass laws like this in the first place to have people treat others with respect.

Sadder still that 50 years later, the hatred and bigotry continues...

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

We continue to move forward albeit in a slow pace. Several states have added ENDA laws that protect LGBT families. Several municipalities in Utah have as well. Just yesterday a federal judge in Kentucky struck down that state's gay marriage ban. Currently same sex marriage is legal in 19 states. Seventeen federal judges have all ruled against the bans with none ruling in favor of bans. Civil Rights have always been a hard, slow fight. But we see progress looking back over the span of time.

liberty or ...?
Ogden, UT

Sadder still that the previous commentators use it as a political crutch and weapon and that the whole movement has been hi-jacked from one of equal individual treament to one of special priveledge. Most Americans have moved on from 1962 unfortunatley the liberals are still stuck in it and see racism and discrimination in everything except the mirror as they foist there prejudices and social values (or lack thereof) on everyone else where tolerance is always one sided and demanded but is little shown. Gratitutde where Gratitude is due I am grateful for leaders like Martin Luther King, George Washington Carver, and Frederick Douglas, But they would not even exist if it wasn't for 30% victims of white citizens the Clan murdered in addition to blacks, The NRA(which was founded largely to protect the rights of African Americans to defend themselves when corrupt politicians tried to pass laws denying them their 2nd amendmant rights),The Civil War vet, Abraham Lincoln, Millions of Abolitionists, John Quincy Adams, Thomas Jefferson (without the constitution and the Declaration of independance slavery would have continued for years),or Benjamin Franklin ( 1st anti slavery movement on this continent).

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The Civil Rights Act was indeed a noble and just advancement, and we should salute the Republicans who passed it over strenuous Democrat opposition. Just to be sure there is credit where credit is actually due, not as it is claimed by Democrats today.

Further, let's look at how minority Americans fare today compared to 1964, due to the subsequent laws passed mainly by Democrats.
Is the illegitimate birth rate better or worse?
Are minority families intact, or without fathers as bread winners and role models?
Are their crime and incarceration rates better or worse now than then?
Is their unemployment rate any better than it was relative to whites?
Have graduation rates improved from high schools or colleges?
Have their actual earnings (no entitlement) income improved relative to whites?

Sadly, although many rights were given, liberal Democrat programs have destroyed the black family in multiple ways, and turned far too many into dependents on a welfare plantation with the goal of delivering votes for Democrats, not providing a step to true equal opportunity.

Yes, we have a long way to go, and dismantling the dependency culture is essential for true long term progress among black Americans.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

Kudos to the DesNews for publishing this piece, especially for the penultimate paragraph, which is undoubtedly difficult for much of its readership to accept. I might put a special emphasis on the T in LGBT, which continues to be stigmatized, misunderstood, and discriminated against far more than the L, G, and B (who have made great strides in acceptance in the decades since Stonewall).

liberty or ...?: "...the whole movement has been hi-jacked from one of equal individual treament to one of special priveledge."

Some of us are wondering just what special privileges you are talking about. Guaranteeing equality under the law to those who have been denied it is not conferring special privilege, it is merely bringing the oppressed back up equal to the rest of us. The only "special" privilege has been that held by those who withheld equality from others. Granted, from their perspective, ceding privilege and sharing it equally with those to whom they have denied it can look like the others are getting something special, but it's really not. Equal is equal. From housing to employment to marriage, it's all about equal treatment of individuals.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Yes civil rights still has a long way to go. but a new group (religion) that is supposed to be protected is facing more and more discrimination from the left.

too bad the LGBT anti-religion movement is propogated so well by the MSM and the likes of Mr. Davis.

Too bad their agenda is being forced on us by over-reaching judges who call good eveil and evil good.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Thank you DN for printing this column. It's a far, and welcome, cry from your daily anti-lgbt rants.

Logit
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When I read articles like this one that dare go no further than an inch deep on this topic, I sigh. Why are we not willing to ask (and attempt to answer) the more difficult questions? I mean, this article repeats all the popular equality speaking points--the 77% gender pay gap, the one-third black poverty rate--but ignores the question of why, after 50 years of affirmative action and legislated equalism, do women STILL choose lower paying but more rewarding, less risky professions? Why do women STILL choose to work fewer hours than men? Why do Asian minority immigrant children score so well in school while non-Asian minority children STILL remain one standard deviation below (after not just 50 but 100 years of testing)?

Pointing out the gaps is easy. Hooray for another white male academic showing his racial and gender sensitivities! But until we ask (and truly consider all answers to) the enduring fundamental questions behind the gaps, we'll be forever writing articles like this one--and become no better.

Invisible Hand
Provo, UT

People give far too much credit to the act of Congress. Civil rights and changing attitudes were more of a bottom up than a top down process. Congress acted to reflect the will of its constituents, while everyone seems to think it happened the other way around with Congress imposing its will on a majority of backward people.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

DN Subscriber: "...we should salute the Republicans who passed it over strenuous Democrat opposition..."

True, the GOP had a role in the passage of the CRA in 1964. The Democratic Party's treatment of the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party at the 1964 convention was shameful and LBJ's backroom manipulations to keep the MFDP out are a blot on his record (as are Humphrey's and Mondale's acquiescence). Democrats dominated the old guard racist South in the century after the Civil War. However, there was a polar shift after 1964 because of the CRA. Goldwater played on white southern fears of black empowerment in his 1964 "Southern Strategy." Nixon followed suit in 1968 and 1972. Segregationist southerners like Wallace and Thurmond left the Democrats to run as independents and Republicans and the Republicans welcomed them. Falwell recruited southern social conservatives to the GOP. The intellectual heirs of the old Dixiecrats are today's Republicans. The Confederacy is now solid red on the political map. Moderate southern Republicans from the 1960s-70s like the late Sen. Howard Baker would be run out of today's GOP as RINOs. Today, opposition to expanding civil rights guarantees today is found primarily in the conservative Right.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

"...The Civil Rights Act was indeed a noble and just advancement, and we should salute the Republicans who passed it over strenuous Democrat opposition. Just to be sure there is credit where credit is actually due, not as it is claimed by Democrats today....".

And where are those Democrats who so violently opposed The Civil Rights Act today?

They form the base of the Republican Party.

The Southern Strategy implemented by President Nixon, perfected by President Reagan was instrumental in moving the white population of Southern Democrats into the Republican Party.

Tiago
Seattle, WA

Thank you for this article!

Even in my lifetime, I've seen a lot of progress toward greater fairness and equal opportunity. With the internet and greater mobility, we have so many opportunities to interact with people who are different from us and I'm happy to see that these interactions usually result in greater understanding and appreciation. We become aware of our stereotypes and prejudices. I am very aware of my own stereotypes and try to consciously get past them.

Laws and public education campaigns can help to overcome the walls that divide us, but the most change comes from our daily interactions. After growing up in a wealthy, mostly white suburb, my mission in South America was one of the first times I really interacted with people very different from me. It was mind opening to realize how many things we have in common and also how diversity can be celebrated, learned from, and appreciated.

I'm thankful to live in a world rich with religious, cultural, racial, linguistic, gender, and sexual diversity.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

liberty or ...?
Ogden, UT

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

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Nothing like getting the whole Left/Right,
Democrat/Republican thing all backwards.

You two do realize that over the last 150 years, the Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative, Democrat/Republican roles have reversed like 3 times now?

Even Utah Mormons have swung from being nearly all Democrats to Republicans -- don't you?

Tell you what - drop the part-line, and focus on ideology.
That may help.

slcdenizen
Murray, UT

One way to honor racial diversity is to treat our first black president with respect and be forthright with regard to opposing his agenda. Republicans, since day one, have opposed every move he has made despite efforts on his part of reaching across the aisle. They have not done so in order to prevent a massive government transition into socialism, that has already been done through the years and by both parties. The actual reason is the low hurdle message it sends to the Republican base that the country is becoming less "white" and needs to be taken back. Obsessing over the national debt, without any accompanying effort in understanding macroeconomics, is a smoke screen over the real fear of Republicans: that the old white boys' club is falling out of style. If politics is a serious endeavor, then Republicans need to show more than the usual rhetoric of 'this foreign born socialist doesn't get America'.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Fromn the article --

"I heard it more recently when black and Hispanic students in my classes related how some police treated them when they were driving."

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It's called "Driving While Black",
and some police departments use racial profiling all the time.

and even today -- 50 years later, and just south of us in Arizona -- they just tried to reverse 50 years of Civil Rights and LEGALIZE it!

It amazes me that the fuel that fueled the horrors of Nazi Germany,
didn't die in America in the 1960's,
and still smulders in 21st century America today...

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I fight against racist policies like affirmative action because I believe racism is wrong

Dr king and I agree on this issue and anyone who supports his message would fight racism like affirmative action

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT
I fight against racist policies like affirmative action because I believe racism is wrong

Dr king and I agree on this issue and anyone who supports his message would fight racism like affirmative action

11:46 a.m. July 2, 2014

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I'm against meeting the minimums of affirmative action too.
We're far above and beyond that now.

I'd like to see employers, schools, and businesses go to jail for discrimination now.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

slcdenizen,
"treat our first black president with respect"

Is that how you see him, black?

efforts on his part to reach across the aisle? “Republicans can come along for the ride, but they’ll have to ride in the back.” THAT is an effort to reach across the aisle? That’s how he started his reign of terror, and where he LOST the respect of anyone in the GOP who was willing to give him a chance. He has since compounded the problem by throwing temper tantrums anytime he does not get his way.

Efforts to reach across the aisle – sheesh, where did you come up with THAT idea that has NO basis in truth whatsoever?

Open minded,
“I'd like to see employers, schools, and businesses go to jail for discrimination now.”

You would force your beliefs on others? That I can believe.

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