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  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 6, 2014 2:20 p.m.

    I don't know if Fredette is the answer to the Jazz terrible record, but looking at Jazz draft picks over the years it is apparent that they are poor judges of talent. The Jazz could learn something from Greg Popovich and the way he recruits and develops talent. Of course, the Spurs are only the NBA champs.

  • Blackie_Black West Point, UT
    July 4, 2014 9:33 a.m.

    Despite his defensive issues, I think he would be an upgrade over JL3 and useful as a situational reserve and locker room presence. He would be a 12th man and an efficient scorer in late-game situations for three point and free throw shooting, ala Kyle Korver, who also wasn't a good defensively. Lack of outside shooting has been a major woe for the Jazz, and they need outside threats beyond stretch 4s. As a backup, Jimmer would also be matched up against players who aren't major offensive threats. And if Coach Snyder can install a good team defense, individual defensive liabilities become less significant. There are plenty of players in the league who aren't defensive "stoppers" but are just as useful from a team standpoint because they make an opponent work just as hard defending them or fill niche roles. Its the clamoring for playing time from fans that might be the major sticking point, and one reason the Jazz have historically stayed away from local players until later in their careers.

  • Jazz need a SHOOTER Salt Lake City/USA, UT
    July 3, 2014 4:44 p.m.

    I would concede Jimmer over Lucas III. You don't think the Jazz fans were booing Jimmer because he was playing for the other team do you?

  • Uncle festis Pasadena, CA
    July 3, 2014 4:25 p.m.

    I guess byu fan sees somethin in jimmer no other nba team sees.

  • Man in Charge Chihuahua, 00
    July 3, 2014 10:34 a.m.

    The Jazz are the 7th most profitable team in the NBA this year according to a new article. I don't think they are hurting for revenue. The goal is to buy wins and Jimmer won't bring one additional win. He won't even get off the bench.

  • Blitzkreigboy26 provo, UT
    July 3, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    The title of this article should read... "Don't expect the Jazz to make any logic decision" It's been the slogan for the last decade.

  • Blitzkreigboy26 provo, UT
    July 3, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    I love how the reason that is always given for not signing him is "It will be too much pressure", what is this the peewee league? You're a franchise! You do what you want! Sure the fans will hiss and fit but in the end the coach makes the call. Stop saying that it will be too much pressure, it's becoming annoying. There is NO reason the Jazz shouldn't sign Jimmer Fredette this season. It will only mean GOOD things for the Jazz. Drop Lucas, add Jimmer. He will more than pay you back in revenue, merchandise, etc. And hey, you we might even see the Jimmer in college with his swag back. I hope we free the kid and save his career. Come on Utah, you're not gonna get a 4th chance at this.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    July 3, 2014 7:13 a.m.

    Uteology, plenty of NBA players have languished on benches, apparently not showing enough in practices to warrant much PT, until they were forced onto the court by injuries to other players. Then they proved to be serviceable, solid players. The Ian Clark example is poor because Clark has no obvious elite skill? Pretty much anyone concedes Jimmer can shoot the deep ball at an elite level. One would think that would be a useful skill to some team.

    And once again, the sneering "I told you so" Ute clique implies that the only possibilities that were ever in play were "total bust" (which you're openly rooting for; stay classy) and perennial all-star, which apparently all BYU fans have always thought was Jimmer's future.

    Seasoned baskebtall fans allowed for, and could reasonbly predict, a future where Jimmer carves out a nice NBA niche as an instant-offense sub or spot starter on good teams. Frankly, there's still no reason this can't happen. Just like with any non-elite player, it comes down to fit. Are we sure Jimmer couldn't be Steve Kerr? Why not?

  • spudontheweb Aberdeen, ID
    July 3, 2014 12:48 a.m.

    I'm done with the Jazz.. Two years ago I took 40 employees to a jazz game, the next time I went , I listened to Ute fans boo Jimmer every time he touched the ball… David Lock is a zero as a broadcaster, bad management, done.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2014 11:21 p.m.

    "The Jazz should hire Jimmer Fredette . . . as a shooting coach."
    Actually, his college shooting style hindered him in the NBA. He has a tendency to put the ball on the floor before he shoots, where NBA speed demands a catch and shoot player. If he learned to become a catch and shoot guy, consider hiring as a shooting coach. Or hire the guy who taught Jimmer NBA style shooting.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 2, 2014 5:45 p.m.

    @Brio

    And so it is concerning Jimmer. In actuality, he's never been given substantial minutes over any length of time since joining the NBA. Until he or anyone else receives that chance, it's impossible to make a totally objective evaluation of their NBA abilities... only skewed opinions.

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    How many Jazz fans want to give "substantial minutes" to Ian Clark just so he can prove himself?

    Like Clark, Jimmer had the same opportunity to prove himself as being "NBA worthy" in practice. I can only assume that the Kings and Bull coaching staff's opinion isn't "skewed".

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 2, 2014 5:33 p.m.

    Brio
    Alpine, UT

    Interesting comments.

    The comments of known Ute fans were totally predictable. They haven't changed since Jimmer was playing in college and would embarrass the Utes each time they played. From that time on, it wouldn't matter what Jimmer did or does in the NBA, the ultra-Ute fans would find ways to be critical. He's a better player than the Utes have had in quite some time and that continues leaving a burr under the saddle.

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    It's not Utah fans that are criticizing, it's everyone else (aka NBA scouts/pundits). It's BYU fans that think he's an All-Star who only needs the chance on the right team.

    The best player to come from the state since Andrew Bougt is Lillard. The next NBA player most likely from the state will be Delon Wright.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 2, 2014 5:26 p.m.

    @Objectified

    Cut and paste would have worked as well, but here you ago...

    "I've seen dead people play better defense. At least they occasionally trip people. If his last college game is what he's bringing to the NBA, then I'd say, in five years, he's got a really good chance to be your Provo area Isuzu dealer." -- Rick Reilly

    "Finally, the Jimmer was unveiled as 90 percent media creation, 10 percent basketball prodigy." -- Colin Cowherd

    "I hope I'm wrong, but I believe Jimmer is going to struggle at the next level ... Defensively, he's going to get demolished. He sat back in that zone at BYU, and even then he didn't put forth any effort. He won't be able to guard anybody in the NBA." -- Chris Broussard

    Source:
    NBA Draft 2011: What the Experts Are Saying About Jimmer Fredette
    By Andy Bailey (Apr 7, 2011)

    "Jimmer Fredette has never shown that he can do all that much in the NBA..."

    Source:
    Jimmer Fredette the NBA's Tim Tebow? College Great on the Verge of Sacramento Release

    You welcome!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 2, 2014 3:59 p.m.

    Jimmer could still play in the NBA for the right team. The kid can shoot and if that is all he is needed for - to come off the bench and hit some three's for a few minutes a half then he could make it. Is there a team out there willing ? Hard to say. Hopefully one more team will take a shot at him otherwise its Europe.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    July 2, 2014 3:58 p.m.

    Flashback says: "Defense? NBA? Very much an oxymoron. Defense hasn't been practiced in the NBA since the days of Clyde Frazer, Jerry West, and Wilt Chamberlain."

    No-one who says this has even the vaguest notion of how to evaluate basketball and probably hasn't watched a game since the days of Clyde Frazer, Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain.

  • QDiesel SLC, UT
    July 2, 2014 3:54 p.m.

    Jimmer is terrible and the Jazz dont need him. The Jazz need to match Heyward and go sign spend the rest on Lance Stephenson!

  • Jazz need a SHOOTER Salt Lake City/USA, UT
    July 2, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    Wow, the sage of El Paso has spoken; exactly what is the unspoken-reason your are alluding too?

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    July 2, 2014 12:18 p.m.

    Yeah, just because Jimmer finds a way to win when given the chance and the Jazz always look for ways to lose, don't go after Jimmer, he just wouldn't fit in?

    Can you imagine what would have happened with Stockton and Malone if Frank Layden had espoused Jerry Sloan's coaching philosophy of using young players who'd just coming into the game?

    I'll tell you what we would have seen. The two best players the Jazz ever had would have sat on the bench, playing sparingly, until they were traded to play for other teams that would soon be playoff contenders and league champions!

    As long as the Jazz management continues to worship Sloan, they'll stay right where they've been since John and Karl; that is, in the celler.

  • Jim1027 St. George, UT
    July 2, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    Not a compelling argument for not drafting Jimmer.

    The Jazz were 24th in threes. Jimmer was near the top in three-point shooting.

    That doesn't deserve ten minutes?

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    July 2, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    I would be interested to see him In San Antonio. Patty Mills will be out several months for the Spurs, and I think Jimmer could get a few minutes here and there for the first couple of months there. Plus, everyone here says Europeans don't play defense, so he might as well go to a team with plenty of Europeans, and players that played in European leagues.

  • SCCougar LEXINGTON, SC
    July 2, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    A lot of people on here say that Jimmer can't compete in the NBA. I would disagree. When he's been given more than a few minutes off the bench he has shown the he is more than capable of producing. Unfortunately, the times he's been given more than a few minutes are few and far between.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 2, 2014 11:43 a.m.

    The jazz better sing him. He's awesome and just needs to be given a chance.
    Teams just haven't giving him a chance.

  • Alpiner Alpine, UT
    July 2, 2014 11:31 a.m.

    Yes, the Jazz can't afford to give Jimmer the spot held by John Lucas III...

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    July 2, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    As usual, Uteology doesn't quote the source of his quotes.
    As such, how much credence and/or reliability do they probably have. Probably not much at all.
    That's the exact reason why few people take the comments of Ute fans seriously on any article with BYU ties.
    They usually lack any discernible objectiveness.
    And so it is today.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    July 2, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    Interesting comments.

    The comments of known Ute fans were totally predictable. They haven't changed since Jimmer was playing in college and would embarrass the Utes each time they played. From that time on, it wouldn't matter what Jimmer did or does in the NBA, the ultra-Ute fans would find ways to be critical. He's a better player than the Utes have had in quite some time and that continues leaving a burr under the saddle.

    Naysayers will continue being themselves regardless of circumstances. After a while, their criticism says more about themselves than the people they are criticizing. Their opinions are then taken with a grain of salt, since objectiveness is obviously missing.

    And so it is concerning Jimmer. In actuality, he's never been given substantial minutes over any length of time since joining the NBA. Until he or anyone else receives that chance, it's impossible to make a totally objective evaluation of their NBA abilities... only skewed opinions.

  • Man in Charge Chihuahua, 00
    July 2, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    mufasta

    "The Jazz don't really care about what the fans want anymore. We can't have a good team so how about you allow us to at least enjoy supporting an entertaining player. Since Larry's passing I don't think the Jazz care about what the fans want. Jimmer would be better than at least two of the failed social experiments that they Jazz have on the bench. The Jazz are quickly becoming irrelevant to me as a fan. This a shining example as to why that is. C'est la Vie. Its time to move on."

    If the Jazz listened to their fans, they would be sitting in the stands with them as well.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 2, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    Jimmer will have an opportunity to play in the NBA this next season and beyond if he wants it. He would most likely make more money, have more playing time, and be a star overseas, however. I think Jimmer's work ethic has gotten him this far and it can also get him to the point where he can defend well enough to earn more minutes in the NBA. Blaming his lack of time on bad coaches, bad teams, or other unspecified reasons will only hold him back.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    July 2, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    The Jazz should hire Jimmer Fredette . . . as a shooting coach.

    Nobody can deny that when it comes to shooting, Jimmer knows what he is doing. And quite frankly, the Jazz could use his expertise.

    Do it Jazz, offer him a job as a shooting coach.

  • NT SomewhereIn, UT
    July 2, 2014 10:32 a.m.

    @mufasta

    Yes, even mor than Jimmer, the Jazz are irrelevant. The Jazz have ridden the NBA's pine for way too long. RIP Larry

  • NT SomewhereIn, UT
    July 2, 2014 10:30 a.m.

    @gdog3finally

    anything else?

  • mufasta American Fork, UT
    July 2, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    The Jazz don't really care about what the fans want anymore. We can't have a good team so how about you allow us to at least enjoy supporting an entertaining player. Since Larry's passing I don't think the Jazz care about what the fans want. Jimmer would be better than at least two of the failed social experiments that they Jazz have on the bench. The Jazz are quickly becoming irrelevant to me as a fan. This a shining example as to why that is. C'est la Vie. Its time to move on.

  • Man in Charge Chihuahua, 00
    July 2, 2014 10:08 a.m.

    Jimmer can be the mascot or Exums towel boy.

  • Eddie Would Go FPO, AE
    July 2, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    Wayne Rout,

    You said, "Jimmer will never get a chance to play anywhere in the NBA. I think most of us know the reason and it has nothing to do with ability."

    I guess I'm one of those who doesn't know "the reason." Please tell me what that is.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 2, 2014 9:22 a.m.

    If it's not about Jimmer being "NBA worthy", it's about BYU being "P5 worthy". Neither has proven they have the talent for the next level.

    Jimmer was a great college player, he's a bench player at best in the NBA, according to NBA scouts/pundits:

    “Jimmer Fredette has never shown that he can do all that much in the NBA. He’s not playing against college kids. He’s playing against grown men, professionals. Everyone he plays against has great athleticism. Fredette lacks the physical attributes required to play at an elite level in the NBA. Where’s the strength? Where’s the foot quickness? Where’s the length? He’s way down in the equation physically in the NBA.”

    "Finally, the Jimmer was unveiled as 90 percent media creation, 10 percent basketball prodigy. No reasonable person can watch Jimmer and Kemba, and tell me Jimmer's in the same league. Laughable. The Jimmer and that hype is done! That guy, trust me, is coming to an NBA bench near you."

  • ExDixieIte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2014 9:20 a.m.

    I would love to find all of those "free tickets" people are talking about. Where do you get them? A friend of ours manages a hotel downtown, they don't have free tickets. Where exactly are these free tickets available? And if the Jazz are so eager to bring people into the arena that they are giving away free tickets, why don't they publicize them so the arena can be full every night? C'mon, people, show a guy a little love here. I'll go to all 41 home games if I'm being given free tickets.

    Central, give us the info. Where are these free tickets? There not at the hotel our daughter works at. If free tickets are flooding downtown, wouldn't that be a logical place to distribute these tickets? Anyone here that can help a guy out? Send that flood of free tickets my way and I'll support the Jazz signing a guy who is too slow to play point, too small to play the 2 and doesn't have the skills to be a consistent player, let alone starter, in the NBA.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    July 2, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    Jimmer will never get a chance to play anywhere in the NBA. I think most of us know the reason and it has nothing to do with ability. I think he will do well in Europe where he will get a chance to play. Maybe then he can come back to the USA and fill a slot in the NBA. It is too bad even the Jazz won't work with him, but they remain one of the worst managed franchises in all sports so we should not be surprised.

  • Idahotransplant West Jordan, UT
    July 2, 2014 8:44 a.m.

    He is slow for the NBA and can not play defense. He needs to go the route of Travis Hansen and play in Europe or Russia. He will find more success there. All he will do if he were to be a member of the Utah Jazz is ride the bench. He does need the right situation to play in the NBA and the only reason why the Jazz would get him would be to sell tickets. I hope is had s focused solely on his foot speed and defense over the summer. Question though? has anyone contacted him since yesterday?

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 2, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    CentralUtah,

    Exactly where in downtown are those free tickets? I guess I've missed those streets. As for the pro-Jimmer posts, remember, playing in the NBA requires a player to play defense, something Jimmer was never required to do in college. Although that may have worked in college with other players picking up the slack for him, it won't fly in the pros. There are too many talented players in the NBA that can play on both sides of the ball. Unfortunately, Jimmer is not one of them.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    We heard for the longest time jammer just needed to be freed from Sacrament and go to a team that is well coached(like Chicago), that plays defense(like Chicago) so he wont have to, and that needed 3 point shooting(like Chicago)

    Well, I guess even the perfect fit couldn't save Jimmer's career.

    Enjoy Europe Jimmer!

  • CentralUtah Alpine, UT
    July 2, 2014 8:22 a.m.

    SoonerUte, you make my point exactly! They're 15th in attendance because they flood downtown with free tickets to fill seats! Not every arena in the league has the location that makes that possible.

    The Jazz need to get real and put a "fun" team on the floor. They're never going to be contenders; face the facts and make it entertainment! Jimmer would do that!

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    July 2, 2014 7:43 a.m.

    Defense? NBA? Very much an oxymoron. Defense hasn't been practiced in the NBA since the days of Clyde Frazer, Jerry West, and Wilt Chamberlain.

  • mdp Bountiful, utah
    July 2, 2014 7:27 a.m.

    Jimmers problem is that he is small and slow, but so was Korver and Foye. The Jazz need a sharpshooter in the worst way, to spot up in the corners ansd open up the middle, and Hayward is not the solution- way too inconsistent when he has to force shots. Its not like the Jazz have ever defended outside shooters....

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    July 2, 2014 7:11 a.m.

    All of those clamoring for the Jazz to sign Jimmer as a means of selling tickets is a joke. It may work for the first home game of the season, which is always a sell out anyway, but once it becomes clear Jimmer will be riding the pine in Jazzland, how many tickets would be purchased to watch him sit.

    Jimmer will never be a major minute player in the NBA, he doesn't have the physical ability to play in this league. He will be remembered as a scoring machine on a college team who didn't require him to do anything but shoot the ball. That singular talent plays well in the Euro-League where no one plays defense, each team simply tries to outscore their opponents, which is perfectly suited for Jimmer's game. Why can't people understand that about his game?

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    July 2, 2014 6:57 a.m.

    Sooner, the arena was never that full. There is some creative accounting going on with those attendance numbers. I went to several games last season and I would put our true attendance around 15,000. A far cry from the glory days of constant sell outs, even on nights when the competition wasn't inspiring. Jimmer would be butts in the seats and you know it.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    July 2, 2014 5:01 a.m.

    The poll question options disappoint again. I rarely find an option that describes my opinion.
    One option given was "Yes, they badly need him". Over 50% of voters selected that option. Sorry guys but no NBA badly needs Jimmer. Some might have interest. Come on, be realistic.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    July 2, 2014 4:19 a.m.

    Also, is Jimmer a PG or SG in the NBA? I think he is too slow to be a PG and too short to be a SG. I say this relative to him being a consistent contributor on the court.

    Can a team find a role for Jimmer in spots? Yes I think so. But will his shot be ready to roll and can he get hot when called upon on demand in shorts spurts (meaning set minutes or substitution patterns will not be available for him). There aren't many specialists like that who come in and provide just a shot that stick very long in the league without fading away.

    Jimmer to me is an Eddie House prototype. JJ Redick was a college star who's game many felt wouldn't translate to the NBA. Well he has persevered and developed his game. Jimmer is at best a possible comparison here, only Redick is more athletic, longer, and a better defender.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    July 2, 2014 4:04 a.m.

    If Jimmer won't cost much. fills in empty seats and brings in revenue, then why not go after him? Maybe because the novelty of going to games for Jimmer will quickly wear off as he mostly sits the bench and doesn't produce on the court.

    There are other 'Jimmer concerns' as well. Like giving up a roster spot for him and Jazz brass not wanting criticism and backlash for not giving Jimmer minutes and the green light to shoot.

    An NBA team is not BYU with no other options to score. Team chemistry issues could result from a one dimensional player (Jimmer) tossing up threes from the state line. Stars can go one on one. Jimmer was a star in college and could play that way then. Defenses are better (sound/more skilled) in the NBA and Jimmer doesn't have the athleticism to use his all around offensive skills to get a shot off without spotting up on a team that has big time scoring ball handlers. OKC fits that bill. Will Jimmer be ready to hit shots spotting up. At BYU he was used to having the ball in his hands.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    July 2, 2014 12:58 a.m.

    I don't understand why you made the comment that Jimmer was slow. I remember watching him with his crossover dribble leave defenders in his wake, and drawing fouls from the bigs under the basket. When you have a player who doesn't get to play that much, but still shoot 90% from the line and nearly 50% from the field and 3 point range, then you certainly need to take a look at him. Besides, every body knows that with the talent in the NBA the way it is, playing defense is a team thing more than an individual thing. I would love to see Jimmer with the Jazz. IMHO.

  • HarleyHog Layton, UT
    July 1, 2014 11:48 p.m.

    Look at the end of the day it is entertainment. Every year the jazz have three or four guys who are good but are just marginal at best. They are then replaced with more next year.

    He has a decided measurable talent. People enjoy it, will attend the game for it, and will plant themselves in front of the TV for it. Really why not give him a few three point shots? As a player he'll probably encourage others to practice shooting the ball and putting it in. If I was a Jazz player I would listen to him when he talked about shooting.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2014 9:42 p.m.

    CentralUtah "The dirty little secret the Jazz has is they can't sell tickets."
    Quite curious what you base that comment on.

    The Jazz are 12th out of 30 teams in overall attendance. Average attendance last season was 18,175 in a 19,900 seat arena. Jimmer can sell tickets? OK. How much do you pay a player to fill those last few seats?

  • okeesmokee SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 1, 2014 9:41 p.m.

    Thanks for your post "buryme". I read the article and hope something pans out for Fredette.

  • buryme Mesa, AZ
    July 1, 2014 9:31 p.m.

    Just read an article from the Glenn Falls newspaper which stated that Jimmer's agent had received calls from multiple teams today. I hope one of them was the Jazz. We need shooting in the worst way and nobody will have to overpay to get Jimmer. It's worth the risk.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2014 9:22 p.m.

    I bet there are at least 15 teams lining up for Jimmy.

  • okeesmokee SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 1, 2014 9:16 p.m.

    I don't care if Jimmer comes to the Jazz - I just hope he gets an honest opportunity somewhere. He has kept a good attitude, despite all the criticism. He was drafted by a dysfunctional Kings team. I am not a Bulls fan, but like their current coach - he as the ability to develop talent. With me it isn't a Mormon thing or a BYU thing, it is a ball player who played locally that just hasn't been given an opportunity. I hope he will fit in somewhere and have a solid career.

  • CentralUtah Alpine, UT
    July 1, 2014 7:44 p.m.

    The dirty little secret the Jazz has is they can't sell tickets. This draft wont' change a thing. They need to do something…I just wait for the "we have free Jazz tickets at the front desk" emails at work so the arena doesn't look so empty on TV.

    Jimmer would turn that around.

    WWLD (What would Larry Do?) Error on the side of entertainment.

    Sign him so I will want to make the effort to go get the free tickets!