re: gehelmkeI agree with you on all of this. In addition, he had to play
with a rookie point guard who did not get the ball to him in the right places or
soon enough. Trey was mostly looking for his own shot while Haywood was his
bail-out option, after Trey had nowhere else to go with the ball. Not as bad as
the treatent AK received from D-Will but a problem, nonetheless. Jazz bigs,
including Boozer, have suffered since Stockton's departure because of poor
point guard defense. Pretty hard for anyone to play team defense, when opposing
point guards get into the paint, at will.
Big guys who aren't good defenders, not physical and don't like to mix
it up in the paint aren't that valuable. They're nice pieces to have
but you don't need to commit a significant amount of money to them. The
Jazz would be smart to let him go and let somebody else make that mistake.
Hayward isn't the type of player you build a team around, he's a nice
Well Cleveland just offered Hayward a max deal. It's $63 million over 4
years starting at $14.8 and going up from there. Now those who said the Jazz
should match any offers, were you expecting they would have to match this? We
will have to do some max deals in the next few years to compete but I still
don't think we should do if for Hayward. I know I've pounded the
table on this before but I like Burks better and think with better coaching that
kid will be an all-star caliber player.
Max deal for Haywood? Who in the world would do that?
Hayward is not an alpha dog. He does not play with a visible competitive edge.
If he combined his athleticism and skill with a hardened, tough guy, competitive
flare he would become an all-star. Right now he slumps his shoulders and SEEMS
to have a defeatist and lazy attitude about his game and career. Do
any of you think that this morning at 6:00 a.m. Gordon was in the weight room
working his guts out? Was he running wind sprints with visions of beating up on
his fiercest competitors? He needs to be smoldering beneath a big chip on his
shoulder, and loving every minute of it. I just don't see it. I'm
sure he has put in an enormous amount of work to become the player he is but
something in his psyche has to change in order for him to move up to the next
level. I wanna see confidence, moxie, and tough guy leadership.
fortydamBoston has no cap room after they signed Avery Bradley.
How sad! This kid plays his heart out....playing out of position.....playing for
the worst NBA coach ever....double and triple teamed, because he's the
focus of opponent's defenses, because he's the best the Jazz had on
the floor.....Yet he still leads the team in scoring, steals, and virtually tied
for the lead in assists....Yet that's not good enough for so many
people.This kid is good, and those of you who can't see that
need to review Basketball 101....He plays defense.....He blocks shots.....He
steals the ball....He rebounds....He passes well...He moves well without the
ball.And a note on AK-47...I believe he made the All-Star team as a
power forward, then the Jazz front office signed Boozer, which moved AK-47 out
of position and gave all those touches to Boozer....Sloan's offense was
primarily between the PG and the PF....Was it AK-47's fault they did that
Numerous articles talk of free agency and which teams will be players with cap
space. Never are the Jazz mentioned. Heyward is mentioned in some as a player
teams are interested in. One listed him as the 23 best free agent available.
Nationally the Jazz are simply not on the radar. No one nationally really cares
much about the Jazz. They will never be a title contender again while in Utah.
When they move in a few years then they might become relevant again.
I think he ends up in Boston. One way or another, he plays for his old coach.
I really liked John Stockton's approach to resigning when his contract. He
would sit down with Larry Miller and come up with a reasonable agreement and
shake hands on it. None of this stupid stuff by an agent trying to earn himself
a big pay check by playing these games. Either Gordon wants to be a Jazz
player, or he doesn't. If he does, then stop the disruptive and silly
games that suggest a lack of loyalty. As for the Jazz, not paying max dollars
doesn't mean that they aren't loyal, not not stupid!
Ed...that was funny.Byronbca...what, are you Haywood's, alright
Hayward's agent? I want you for my agent...even though I am 70 years old
and three hundred pounds I think you could get a max contract in the NBA using
KakashiDavid Aldridge was on the program that I watched tonight.
The list of the best possibles was created by Bryan Colangelo. I know that is
just one persons opinion but to not even make the list is noteworthy. I know
there are numerous teams interested in Hayward. The Jazz should be also. Just
@burymefunny thing...i watched nba tv a few nights ago...david
aldridge mentioned Gordon Hayward as possible pickups for LA and several other
teams like Phoenix and Boston....
Tell me what I am missing here? I just watched NBATV as they discussed free
agency. Again Hayward's name was never mentioned. They named the best
guard available along with 5 best of the rest players. No mention of Hayward.
They named the best wing available along with 5 best of the rests. Again, no
mention of Hayward. How can this guy get max money if he is not even on the
national radar. Don't get me wrong, I would like Hayward back---just
don't want to overpay. His agent is already making excuses for his
performance last year. Stuff like this was the first time he has been put in
such a position and that teams were game planning for him. Duh. Do you not
think that teams game plan for LeBron and Durant? Truth is Hayward is simply
not an Alpha Dog.
re:VeracityI think Spencer Haywood has retired.
Re: Jazz need a shooterHere is the problem: Name one player in the
entire world that is better than Hayward that the Jazz actually have a realistic
chance at getting at a better price?Face it Hayward is going to be
overpaid by some team and if it's not the Jazz then we just spent 4 years
developing someone else's player, it is back to square one and we might as
well trade Favors for future draft picks too.One thing that nobody
in the media seems to be considering is the fact that the salary cap just went
up by almost $5 million dollars per year and is expected to make a similar jump
next year. That is about a 16% raise over the next 2 years, which means that if
Hayward was worth $10 million last year then he will be worth $11.6 million next
The reason the Jazz will match even a max offer has more to do with team
continuity, morale, chemistry and sending a message to the rest of the guys on
the team, especially to Favors, about the Jazz's commitment to their young
core, than it does with whether Hayward is worth every penny of whatever offer
the Jazz match.
I just watched an ESPN special on free agency and Hayward's name never even
came up. The last words out of Brian Windhorst's mouth was a word of
caution to the GM's in the NBA----after a few in the top tier, this years
crop of free agent's is not all that good. He says next year will be
better. Lindsey, please do not overpay for Hayward. Reasonable money I am OK
with, but anything close to max and I will throw a fit.
Hayward turned down 4 years, $50 million last off season. He won't make
more than that per year with anyone but the Jazz. Is Hayward a max
player to any other team in the NBA but the Jazz?See if any team
will really offer him $12.5 mil per year. Celtics can't pay
this up front and the Jazz can match if they choose, making it risky for them to
unload assets to other teams to clear the room, only to miss out in the end.
Hornets and MJ aren't willing to pay that much, with Al
Jefferson being the lone exception in recent years (and that was a short
contract to boot). Phoenix can offer that kind of money AND years,
true. But they also have Eric Bledsoe waiting for a payday (their own RFA), and
want to avoid setting the market too high for Goran Dragic, who can opt out next
year and is due a substantial raise from his current $7.5 million a year. The LA Lakers might toss that money but would Hayward really play well
with Kobe Bryant? Does he demand the ball and command respect?Which
brings us back to the Jazz.
Utah seems to forget...that Chandler Parsons is a free agent as well...but i
think the reasoning behind management's decision to match any offer is
because of the new coach...he did wondes to demarre's game...what more if
he tutored Hayward and fix his shot....i dunno...i'd like to keep Hayward
on a decent salary...
Haywood is at best a second tier player and there many other second tier players
out there. Haywood is a decent off the bench player...the Jazz can do better if
the money is too high for him. He can either stay or go, the Jazz will not be
better or worse for it.
Why are we so anxious to pay max dollar to a guy who was ARGUABLY the best
player on a 25 win team? A guy who shot 41% from the field and an unforgivable
30% from 3pt? Not worth the kind of money in my opinion. I think very highly of
the guy, but it just doesn't make sense to keep this guy at this point.
First of all, love him or hate him, there's no question that Hayward is a
talented and versatile player.But something else should be kept in
mind. Early interest doesn't necessarily equate to serious interest. Just
because a team talks to a player doesn't mean they are necessarily willing
or ready to make him a meaningful offer. That will come later, if at all. I believe the Jazz should try to keep Hayward, but not at any cost.
He's a good player. But not nearly good enough to merit an offer anywhere
close to a max-level contract. That range is, or should be, reserved exclusively
for All-star level players. Even then it can still be iffy. AK47 was
a one-time All-star. The Jazz subsequently gave him a max-level contract and
immediately started regretting until the day it expired. He wasn't
tradable, nor is any player when so grossly overpaid. A team then gets stuck
with that situation and can only chock it up to an expensive lesson learned. The trouble now is, most of the current management wasn't here when
that AK47 lesson was learned.
You're grossly mistaken and speaking for yourself. Hayward is not worth
the money he's asking, the Jazz can do far better!
Ok Jazz fans, remember Paul Milsap, Wesley Mathews and A.K..........It sounds
like in his heart GH would like to be a Celtic and be back with his old coach.
I would not be surprised if larry Bird and the pacers come calling either,
although the kid from French Lick spent his entire career with Boston
Lindsey, please don't drop the ball, we want Hayward back and you have the
Hope the Celtics make him a HUGE offer that the Jazz do not match.I'll help him pack.
When the Jazz chose Gordon Hayward a lot of fans booed the decision. Now almost
everyone wants him to stay. Nice to see Gordon vindicated.