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With the environmental impact considered, now is the time to move forward

Published: Wednesday, July 2 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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LDS Tree-Hugger
Farmington, UT

This is the course of LAST resort.

Not until we have done everything else possible.

SUVs, Trucks, flying at 80 mph is NOT good stewardship of the Earth!

Not as long as we already have other alternatives!
Hybrid, EVs, and Bio-fuels.

Why does the Deseret News cater to such WRONG --
and I also add --
Anti-LDS policies?

It must political,
because the LDS Newsroom -- "official Church policy" website
says something different!

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

So --
The Deseret News has "officially" comes out as Anti-Environment.

I hope the "Brethren" take note of this...

Springville, UT

Please, no. This will irrevocably destroy the land and the output will be as dirty as it comes. It's time to move forward with energy technology, not go in a direction that is backward to the tenth degree. I know the dream of money drives this, but Brigham Young was right. This is about short term greed, nothing else. Nothing.

salt lake city, UT

These enviromentalist are true American patriots. God bless them.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Springville, UT

...Brigham Young was right.


That's right, I forgot about that!

He warned the Saints over and over again about the tresures lying under their feet,
He also prophecied that persuing them, and digging them up would be the final destruction of "this people".

I've always thought he was talking about Gold and Silver,
But today it is BLACK Gold,
and the Prophet is still true!

Alas -- here is the Deseret News, siding once again with Babylon.

Kearns, UT

Tree Hugger, since you are apouting supposed LDS Doctrine, let me be the first to throw D&C 104:7 back at you. " For the earth is full, and there is enough and to spare; yea, I prepared all things, and have given unto the children of men to be agents unto themselves."

If I want to drive 80 this verse gives me the permission.

As much as you lament this development, the United States and it's economy run on fossil fuels. Our transportation system, rail system, power plants (except nuclear), plastics industry, manufacturing all need petroleum to operate. There is more than just transportation involved.

We are seeing the effects if increased transportation costs due to high fuel prices in our everyday lives with the cost of basic staples going up. Dairy based products, meat, poultry, vegetables,fruits, etc.

Tooele, UT

Re: "SUVs, Trucks, flying at 80 mph is NOT good stewardship of the Earth! Not as long as we already have other alternatives!"

That's the point liberals always seem to gloss over -- we actually don't have other reasonable alternatives.

Vernal, UT

I bet most of the protester drove a vehicle that run on gas to the protest site. If they happen to drive a natural gas or elect car I wonder if they removed all the plastic and rubber items from it first. OH- and most electricity is made from fossel fuels, so electric cars don't count. It's easy to protest, but how about living the talk and not using any items made from fossel fuels.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@LDS Tree-Hugger, LDS Liberal, Open Minded Mormon, airnut, and his other aliases,

Re: "NO! This is the course of LAST resort"...

I thought the Supreme Court was the last resort. The article stated, "The Utah Supreme Court last week rejected a petition by environmental groups".

So it sounds like the last resort is over now and it's time to move on.

At this point... you are the same as Mike Lee and friends trying to do whatever you can to stop something that is legal, has gone through the legal permitting process, and has been declared legal by the Supreme Court. How are you different than Mike Lee fighting something the Supreme Court already ruled on?

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Some people like the filthy black stuff "Derrick Hugger's" who think this is all or nothing and are to lazy to advance our civilization again. Oil's had its run, but its almost run out. Much like whale oil, it's time to move forward before it's an all or nothing reality for our children.

Tar sands and oil slate are truely scraping bottom.

Hayden, ID

Try growing and transporting your food without fossil fuel energy! Your employment, your food and your life is inescapably tied to fossil fuels, like it or not! Prediction: Food riots all over America because of stupid, foolish, misguided and wrong headed environmental policies! The LDS have been told to be prepared with food storage. Now we know why it will come to that! Of course the poor will be most effected!

American Fork, UT

We've made a pact with petrochemicals and continue to espouse it, whether it's good for us or not. I don't mind; it's paid my bills for years and will do so for the rest of my life. As for a great shift away from it, I don't see that happening for voluntary or environmental reasons, ever. High prices will do it, slowly, over the coming decades.
For now, however, this is where we want to be, and it's getting less and less pretty, and much harder to keep isolated in someone elses' backyard. We've got to live with it as part of the deal.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

My earlier post was denied.

I have repented.

Hopefully this comment will be more in line with approved Republican catechism.

Economic Royalists/Wealthy industrialists have told Americans that tar sand harvesting is perfectly safe and will create millions of jobs forever.

Americans know that wealthy industrialists never lie.

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

With all the oil coming from North Dakota, I wonder how this is profitable?

Anyhow, if it is legal then it is OK. The concern about the environmentalists is that they started another protest with a Navajo medicine man giving a prayer last year so this might be a case where people who have a religious viewpoint are trying to impose that viewpoint on someone else.

Let the arguments begin . . . .

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

First it was businesses outsourcing our production capability and dependancy of our food, clothing and shelter from communists in china,
then it was using lies and making war because of our continued reliance of oil from the middle east,
now, not learning ANYTHING from our mistakes,
it is some ignorant types who instant on relying on 18th century energy technolgy for 21st century needs.

The only thing that makes me feel better,
is knowing that Socialist countries like Germany, Sweden and Japan,
who are investing heavily in clean, green and RENEWABLE energy sources,
will still be around long after America falls into dystopian dispare and 3rd world status.

seattle, WA

Who is going to pay for the environmental damages caused by tar sand petroleum extraction?

The tar sand petroleum extractors? I doubt it. Exxon fought cleaning up their mess in Valdez for years, and when forced did not really do the job completely.

Will the state of Utah tax its citizens to clean up the mess? Doubt it. Utahns hate taxes.

I guess the rest of the US tax payers will have to clean up a third party mess in a rather isolated state.

And secondly, who will provide clean water for children in Utah. Tar sands use a lot of water. Water Utah does not have, and will have less of when the tar pits open. Will the extractors pay for it? No. Will Utah do it? Doubt it. Once again, the citizens of Utah will be beholden to the great Satan, the US government, to provide them with enough water.

Talk about the height of hypocrisy.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

213-acres... is not very big. That's room for 500-800 homes (in the density we have in most Utah cities). We approve housing developments bigger than that all the time. What's the big deal?

Daybreak is a master-planned community over 4,000 acres (google it)

We've already approved over 1000 homes to be built at the point of the mountain.

213-acres is NOT a big deal!

The Uintah Basin is huge... 213-acres is a speck.

Springville, UT

@ Flashback, there is plenty of oil in the marketplace, and yet prices do not drop appreciably. It is a manipulated market. So to all of you who say we need more, give us a truly free market system and then we can talk. Instead, you spout talking points from the petroleum industry.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

You seem to know why gas prices are so high today. Maybe you can explain how it works for us.

I assume you have some partisan magic that helps explain why BUSH was responsible when gas prices went up... But Obama isn't when HE is President.

When they went up during the Bush Administration... it was just the President and his big oil buddies trying to make profits. But when the same prices for the same commodity go up during the OBAMA Administration... the President has nothing to do with it... Why so inconsistent?

Can you explain how when they go up when Bush is President, it's the President's fault (the buck stops at the President)... but not when Obama is President??


These tar sands are only economical to process if gas prices are high. If the prices go down... nobody would want to do anything with tar sands (because they would LOOSE money).

Why not just get Obama to lower prices (which would stop the project)? You seemed to think Bush could lower oil prices any time he wanted... Why can't Obama do it?

Salt Lake City, UT

Extracting oil and gas in Utah does not make us a better state. The Uinta Basin is the most polluted and disgusting region in Utah.

These tar sands folks have the legal right to develop this land. But it certainly doesn't mean it should, and if it was a good steward of the land, the State of Utah would discourage this form of economic development. In fact, this is a great reason why transferring public lands back to the State of Utah would be like hiring a 3-year old to maintain your lawn.

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