Listened to the sound track on my mission over 30 years ago. Saw the play last
night and was deeply touched. I was able finally to put characters with voices.
The production then came into context for me. We live in a dark, depressing,
troubled world. Sometimes it's healthy to step out of it and into a
"cheesy" uplifting world. I spent most of the time during the play
admiring the incredible musical talents performing, not dwelling on the
doctrinal discrepancies. Oh, and while we are on that note, does anyone truly
know what happened in the premortal life and our sociality one with another?
D&C 130:2 is worth pondering - just saying.
Let's just thank our lucky star child that Parker & Stone haven't
heard about our little musical. They would eat it for breakfast.
RE:SPANISHIMMERSED Good point! No offense intended. Obviously, I am eternally
grateful to Elder Oelkers, Elder Black & Elder Forsgrin of the CA Anaheim
Mission, who knocked on my door in Newport Beach, CA! I was pleased that when I
contacted Elder Oelkers, out- of- the- blue some 30 yrs. later, he was not only
still active, but serving as a Bishop. Likewise, it doesn't matter what
calling, as long as we are doing our best to fulfill it. I know that the Lord
knows each of us & that we are called to be instruments in His hands,
according to His will. I am a "domestic(member)missionary" and have seen
many miracles in my own neighborhood! That was just an excited mother talking,
because my sons got to go to the same country their father & uncle, a former
Mission Pres, served in, and where their unique personalities were well suited.
'mancan,' you've got the wrong musical. Zero plans are presented
in "Saturday's Warrior."
@RULDS2, Congratulations on a wonderful lifetime of blessings. Everything you
listed are great in my opinion, except for one boast, about serving foreign.Everyone always wants to guess on mission calls, and they oooh and ahhh
at the exotic foreign calls except when someone is called to St. Louis, Detroit,
or Boise.. The one small saving grace to the domestic call seems to be if a
language is attached, ie..spanish-speaking.Well, I think all mission
calls are wonderful, and like Elder Scott believe some of the strongest, most
capable elders and sisters are called to the United States and Canada to keep
the roots of the Church strong.
This is really exciting! I hope it does very well in AZ, and that they will
bring it to Utah soon. I would love for my children and all of our next
generation to experience this show, the music and message. I remember attending
Saturday's Warrior at Cottonwood High School to a sold-out crowd "back
in the day". I returned with a non-member friend 3 more times. She requested
to take the missionary discussions, was baptized & remains a stalwart
member. This musical can and does change lives. It teaches core LDS beliefs in a
clear and fun way. What a great alternative this show will provide in contrast
to a certain "hit" Broadway show. Mormons must tell their own stories
and explain their faith in creative, professional, artistic ways. If not, others
will do it for them (as we've witnessed) Musicals are all the rage now.
This is a great idea! Toi Toi Toi to all the performers.
I hope it turns out to be great. I'd love to see it in Tulsa, Oklahoma!!!
YAY! I was privileged to direct the music for the original in Brisbane,
Australia in 1976. What wonderful memories! At least one future Bishop was
converted from our little enterprise. Things get dated so I hope I can see the
new show on my next trip to Utah!
as a teen i heard the term "pre-existence". didn't understand it
then and don't yet. pre-mortal i understand and figured i coined that
"word". that aside ---my gosh, Gravity, Oliver, Sleepless
in Seattle, Annie Get Your Gun - they are stories/fantasy and sometime fun. my
gosh, not doctrine. not something to incorporate into one's life and to
guide you thru the next 40years and motivate you to get thru kindergarten. name
a "love" story that isn't cheesy. i don't even know what that
word means although i can imaginenever saw Saturday's Warrior;
never really even heard anything abt itbut really, Much Ado About
Nothing. Relax, sit back and enjoy life, but don't rain on other's
I hope they cleaned up some of the doctrinal mistakes. The last thing the Church
needs is another generation of youth growing up thinking that their is a
"one and only one" to marry. I had a religion professor at Rick College
(before it became BYU-Idaho) who said, "That damned thing has caused me more
headaches than anything else." And the way it presents the War
in Heaven makes it sound like Lucifer really wanted everyone to be saved, and
that his idea could have saved everyone if implemented. It should be very clear.
There is only one plan of salvation, the great council in heaven was not meant
as a brain-storming session to come up with ideas. We also need to be very clear
in teaching about the War in Heaven that the Father of All Lies did not want
anyone to be saved, and his plan would have damned all of us if we had all given
up our agency and the ability to live by faith in Christ- the first principal of
the gospel needed for exaltation.
RE: The Caravan Moves On, “so how does these scriptures conflict with what
Saturday's Warrior portrays. The musical opens in the pre-existence”
VS,Jer 1:5 Christians believe that God is omniscient, knowing
everything about each person before birth. The emphasis is on God’s
foreknowledge (“I knew thee”), not humanity’s knowing God.In Job 38:4, God rebukes Job, “Where wast thou when I laid the
foundations of the earth?” Job 38:7 NIV …” and all the
angels(sons)shouted for joy”.” In effect, God was reminding Job how
Job wasn’t even in existence when the world was created.
We played that music while the kids were doing the dishes, doing their chores,
stacking wood...they could not get enough of it. They knew all the words to
every song and to this day, as adults they talk about memories and the things
they learned from that musical. I don't know how anyone could criticize
the play and the message it brought to my children as they were growing up.
I was a "golden" convert/vocalist, who went to see Saturday's
Warrior, The Original Stage Play, LIVE in Los Angeles,CA USA as a teenager; abt.
1976. It was phenomenal! It was the complete family I never knew, but always
dreamed of. I cried through the whole show! I modeled my future family from
it,"The Waltons" & a good LDS family who befriended me. I was
accepted to BYU, blessed to marry a returned missionary in the L.A. Temple,
earned my BA degree in Music, both sons were Eagle Scouts & served foreign
LDS missions, both daughters received YW Medallions, all 4 graduated from
Seminary, put themselves through college, married in the Temple, and we just
celebrated our 34th Anniversary with 6 adorable grandchildren! I even got to
play the role of the "Mom" in our Stake Musical version. Now that may
sound cheesy to you Jimmy, but I'm telling you, having seen what the world
is like these days, I'm eternally grateful! I'm looking fwd. to seeing
the updates; the orchestra will be a definite plus!
Exciting news! Will it be coming to Utah, per chance?
will everybody lighten up. It's a musical--not a conference talk. It
doesn't claim to be doctrine. The idea of meeting in the pre existence is
a romantic idea which is fun to think about. They don't claim it's
This show is like candy. I like candy, but only in small doses. I saw it in
1974, when I had a greater appetite for candy than I do now. Don't think
I'll see it again.
@ donn - layton, UT - "RE: The Caravan Moves On,Whatever "false
doctrine" the show portrays:“.. the spiritual is not
first, but the natural; then the spiritual. The first man is from the earth,
earthy; the second is man is from heaven. ( 1Cor. 15:46-47)For in
him we live and move and have our Being...(Acts 17:28)Creation is dependent on
God for it’s very existence. God who gives life to the dead and Calls into
Being things that were not.(Romans 4:17 NIV)Through faith we
understand that the worlds=(time ,G. aion)were framed by the word of God, so
that things which are seen were not made =(receive being, G. ginomai) of things
which do appear.(Heb 11:3)"Uhhh....so how does these scriptures
conflict with what Saturday's Warrior portrays?
For those who think Saturday's Warrior is too cheesy... just add macaroni.
Then it may suit your tastebuds. As has been said, this play/musical was
intended to entertain, not preach pulpit-ized scripture adhering doctrine. Would
Father in Heaven or the Savior condemn this play/musical? Don't think so. I
know when I first saw the play and then several times thereafter, it was very
supporting of my newly converted heart. Do I think there is a "one and
only"? Hard to decide on that one. Most especially since I have become so
deeply immersed in Indexing and Genealogy, it would be hard for me to consider
happen stance in all of these families. I guess Adam and Eve just happened to
show up on this planet by chance and all the families since them have just been
a fluke. Yep, not possible that there could possibly be a plan in all of this.
Nah. Just too ludicrous. What was I thinking! Am I thinking
"doctrinally"? Probably not, but I do love my wife like she is my
"One and Only".
Honestly, I'm a Mormon but I cannot stand this musical. It is just
As a young boy I had a cassette tape of Saturday's warrior that I listened
to often. I hadn't seen the play, so I filled in the gaps with my own
imagination. For me the music and its message was very inspiring, and it made me
want to be better. When I saw the remade movie years later (in my late teens), I
loved it, in spite of cheesiness and "false doctrine" (it never claimed
to be scripture). For those who choose to disparage Saturday's Warrior:
"All things which are good cometh of Christ.... See that ye do not judge
wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be
Folks who keep talking about "cheesy"--you're confusing the
original stage play, which was actually a very powerful and apparently well-done
dramatic production in many places it was performed, with the woeful 1989 video
Deseret Book still insists on selling. A remake would be a much better
"legacy" for SW, and #1 on the wish list would be taking it off the
soundstage and making an actual FILM out of it.BeeDub57--no, that
"one and only" idea's been around a *lot* longer than SW. Look back
to Nephi Anderson's novella Added Upon, written in 1898, for only one
instance from Mormon culture. Blame, too, if you will, American idealism and
romanticism itself. Well apart from Mormon doctrinal disputes, there are few
notions more romantically intoxicating to American couples in general than
"We were meant for each other." Yeah, SW taps into it (and yeah,
it's doctrinally unsound), but SW didn't create it. Not by a long
RE: The Caravan Moves On,Whatever "false doctrine" the show portrays: “.. the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the
spiritual. The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second is man is from
heaven. ( 1Cor. 15:46-47)For in him we live and move and have our
Being...(Acts 17:28)Creation is dependent on God for it’s very existence.
God who gives life to the dead and Calls into Being things that were not.(Romans
4:17 NIV)Through faith we understand that the worlds=(time ,G.
aion)were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made
=(receive being, G. ginomai) of things which do appear.(Heb 11:3)
It would be nice if the ethnic content of the play reflected the diversity of
the modern church. The church has less members in Utah than in the combination
of Mexico and Brazil, and less members inside the US than outside the US. The church is really growing in Africa, with more members in Africa than
in Arizona, and more nations with at least 10,000 members (11) than in Europe
(7) or South America (10). Why not make the convert, Todd Richards, from
Africa? It would make the play more relevant, and give the play a modern twist
on increasingly common LDS inter-racial marriages. It would also force the old
timers to realize the church is changing, and perhaps get them to think about
their views a little.
Catchy tunes, great music, great humor and yes, false doctrine....It's all good.Lighten up folks...
I was in this musical for 2 straight years as a teenager. I can actually see
much of what everyone is saying here. Yes, it is cheesy as all get out. It is
outdated. It is sappy. It is unrealistic and there are doctrinal eyebrow raises
in the plot. It is also funny, sweet and has powerful moments.For
better or for worse, I still sing along when ever I chance to hear it.
I remember seeing Saturday's Warrior at the old South High School with my
family and my boyfriend, who was Catholic at the time. I enjoyed the newness of
having a show about the gospel that was not "Promised Valley". (Although
I enjoyed that as a child) I loved the music and thought it was great! My
boyfriend said, (per my journal) "I can't explain how I felt when I saw
those people waiting to come to earth. I have always thought we came from heaven
but my church doesn't teach that." That opened up a nice and lengthy
discussion. Cynics may scoff at the "cheesiness" of the
show, thinking they are too sophisticated for such. Call me "cheesy"
unsophisticated, or what ever you may, but I am grateful for the talents of
those who want to create and now recreate something that has the possibility to
uplift rather than degrade. I hope to see it again and this time with my
children and grandchildren.
Sure it was a bit cheesy but it also had a strong positive message and some
great fun scenes and songs.As for the 'false doctrine' - I
didn't consider it was doctrine at all. It's musical theatre, not a
General Conference talk. If you are getting your doctrine from Saturday's
Warrior then you have other issues to deal with.
Nashville, TN: Hendersonville Stake Center, 1974. Our oldest son was in Taiwan
on his mission. Our other son was assistant to a sound and production engineer
friend. We had one baby girl. #2 son was at an audition at the stake center when
someone heard him singing to himself. Resulting in our family auditioning the
next week and becoming actors. Father, Mother, son and baby. It was really fun
until we had an audience and my voice went away.....3 performances: Fri.pm, Sat.
afternoon and night. Yeah, it was hokey but the entire cast had a wonderful
time, and learned a lot. No tomatoes were thrown, no "boos' from the
audience. I truly hope this production will be shown on BYU=TV! I for one
will watch it and I will encourage my friends to watch. Oldest son now lives in
in SLC Valley and 2 married grandsons live there as well, as do some friends who
saw it in TN. I hope they all go and see it when it shows in SLC!
I saw Saturday's Warrior when it first came out in the 70's.Powerful, powerful and wonderfully uplifting story. Absolutely amazing.Whatever "false doctrine" the show portrays (if there is indeed
any at all) it's dramatically overshadowed by the truth it DOES teach and
the inspiration of the Holy Ghost it DOES bring.Don't like it?
Fine, don't go, and just leave it quietly at that...
Oh,this is interesting. This year also has the 40th anniversary of Hello Kitty,
and they'll be having their first Kitty Con in November, held in
California! That might be pretty cute, especially for cute females to go to!This year is also the 40th anniversary of my birth (Feb. 23)!OH! And I know D.L. Walker (see the IMDb), a.k.a. David Walker (I don't
know what the L stands for), who played Elder Green in the Saturday's
Warrior video! He was in one or more (I can't remember now) of my
multimedia classes at then-UVSC in '99 or/and the early 2000s.Mike A. Christensen
If you don't like it and have nothing but negative things to say about it,
DON'T GO.I for one enjoyed in immensely when it came out in the
mid-70s and have been looking forward to an updated version for years. Hope it
comes to the Salt Lake area soon.
Because it's not false doctrine if the music is catchy.Seriously, this musical was directly responsible for the idea, which lingers
stubbornly in the Church today, that each person born on earth has a "one
and only" person that they're supposed to marry, an idea that the
General Authorities have refuted over and over again. But hey -- romantic,
Will zero population growth still be one of major concerns of Jimmy's
grungy-looking teenage friends?
The original Saturday's Warrior was terribly cheesy, contained a
substantial amount of false doctrine, and portrayed missionary work in a wholly
unrealistic and naive light. I hope that this version is better, but I doubt
that I'll be seeing it any time soon anyway.
Fantastic that new generations get to share in this historic musical I first saw
on an October evening of 1974 in the Kirkham Auditorium at Ricks College. The
music, humor, and story lives on..
Loved it when I first saw it, especially the humor. We need to be able to laugh
at ourselves and it was great fun and sometimes poignant. Can't wait to see
an updated version!
Spare us please, first go around was sufficient.