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Published: Monday, June 30 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

Updated: Sunday, June 29 2014 11:00 p.m. MDT

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marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

I assume the writer refers to the $15.00 minimum wage in Seattle. The only pertinent question is: is this a living wage for Seattle?

Also, how is this action illustrative of anarchy? Because the new minimum was enacted by socialists? The socialists involved did not throw Molotov cocktails or bombs. Everything they did was according to the laws of Seattle and Washington state.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

And BTW, these wage reforms were enacted by REAL socialists, not liberals whom many Deseret News are wont to call socialists. Note that real socialists make a difference.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Baloney!

airnaut
Everett, 00

Let's do some 3rd grade math....

Say, a hamburger costs $3,
and a fast food worker can make it in under 2 minutes.

$15 an hour = .25 cents / minute.
$7 an hour = .12 cents / minute.

So - labor cost is .50 cents vs. .25 cents.

Therefore,
The ACTUAL cost of the hamburger increased by .25 cents, or about 7%

Hardly "The Sky is Falling" shill the letter writer is predicting will happen.

BTW --
tourists visiting Seattle are not the run-of-the-mill cheapscapes.

This is not even be a blip on the radar...

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

It looks like someone has a recurring beef with minimum wage.
and Eric Gree rights into the Deseret News regularly about it.

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April 7, 2013

To those who think the minimum wage should be increased, I respect your opinions ("Raise minimum wage," April 3). However, I disagree and believe that it should not be increased. It starts the growing problem known as inflation. If one thing is increased, like minimum wage, then everything else will inflate in price to be able to match it. Food, housing, fuel, transportation and a whole host of everything will become more expensive, and no amount of increase to minimum wage will stop that. Yes, people can barely get by on the current limit, but that is set up to help us learn how to conserve and be content with what is needed.

Eric Green
Bountiful

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Is minimum wage expected to be a "living wage" or is it the wage that people with little or no experience should expect to receive when they enter the labor market? People who expect others to overpay them will expect government to pay for their housing, their food and their medical bills. They don't understand (or care) that "government" has no money until it takes that money from their neighbors. In effect, they expect their neighbor to pay them for doing as little as possible to care for themselves.

The whole concept of "minimum wage" is ridiculous. No worker should expect to be paid more than fair market value for his services, just as he expects to pay no more that fair marker value for the products that he buys. When minimum wage goes up, the fair market value of the goods that minimum wage workers need the most also goes up - because it costs more to produce those goods.

People will spend their very limited vacation dollars elsewhere.

ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

Why not bring back indentured servitude.. The minimum wage does not work. People are not hired because it is too expensive for Corporate America to hire them. So, just make them indentured servants. Is this a right wing solution, because we are bumping perilously close to this solution.

The minimum wage does not cause unemployment. This has been demonstrated by research. To avoid any disruptions, and give employers a chance to vent their spleen, it is usually fazed in over a period of time. The Jeremiads who claim the sky is falling are lying to us.

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

Nice try, but hamburger price isn't going to increase only 7%. If you use your 7$ versus $15 example, then the cost of labor is going to more then double, no matter what. Not including additional payroll taxes. The worker isn't going to become more efficient. He isn't going to spend any less time standing around picking his nose, and yes sometimes he can even cook 2 or 3 burgers at a time, so factor all that out. Same hours, same amount of production, more the twice the cost = hamburger price doubling.

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

Actually I'm pretty sure prices won't double. Employers will find ways to become more efficient. More mechanization, longer wait times for customers during busy periods, less workers hired. Whatever it takes.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Tourists don't really matter as they aren't coming from anywhere since their own minimum wage jobs don't provide them with enough extra money to take vacations to Utah.

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

We have a perfect case here for a social experiment. Seattle is one of the top tourist spots in America and they (whoever "they" are) have raised the bar for entry level workers so that they just might be able to live in the same town in which they work. Several comments indicate that the market will rebel and that Seattle will pay the price in (to coin a phrase): "Jobs. Jobs. Jobs." We need the mayor of Seattle to make a bet with say ...John Boehner! Seattle puts up a Venti size Starbucks coffee vs. a bottle of "whine" from the Speaker. At the end of a year, the bet will be settled. If Seattle tourism drops even an inch, Seattle pays. If not, Boehner and all of the doomsters posting here give up their ridiculous claim that raising the minimum wage will cause calamity.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA
Actually I'm pretty sure prices won't double.

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That was about the only thing you got right.

I worked Fast Food for 4 years going through college [1970's].

We made $1.90 an hour [minimum wageat the time].
Usually had 4 on staff.

Our sales were up to $1,000 an hour.
[less than >1% -- 0.7%]

Labor costs are a moot point.

FYI -- the owner we worked for [who dropped in once in awhile] was a Millionaire.

L White
Springville, UT

My, my, my. We have the undercover newspaper employee who uses several alias and tells us that he works for the government giving us advice on economics. My hubby had a real laugh about that. My hubby knows just a little about real world ecomonics because that's the way he's fed our family.

He simply said that if those people who think that raising the minimum wage does no harm were paying more to everyone without getting a raise themselves that they could learn something about what raising the minimum wage does. He said that almost everyone that serves the public is paid minimum wage, not just the people who work for McDonalds. He told me that small businesses represent more than 99% of all employers and that almost 70% of small businesses have five employees or less. Then he said that those businesses will either have to raise the price of their products or fire one or more employees. Then he said that anyone can look that stuff up on the Internet.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

I just spent a beautiful week in glorious Seattle, a city that works well. I'm not staying away. I like the idea that the people who serve me in Seattle are getting a little better deal than they do in good ol' Utah.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Same old tired arguments that have been disproved time and time again.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

Good ol' Utah values place families first...

Just not the means to provide for that family on anything less than a 2 incomes.

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Are you saying tourists will scratch Washington State off their list of places to visit because they'll have to budget a little more for food?

Or that tourists won't eat?

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

When I see CEO salaries as high as they are... And how the Mcdonalds CEO just tripled his own salary because he could... I struggle to see how any of these arguments against raising the wage make any sense.

Sorry repubs, I'm just not buying it.

The kool-aid of, "We must give the rich all the benefits or else" nonsense has worn off.

Did we learn nothing from the 2000-08 disaster?

airnaut
Everett, 00

Ya -- crummy Seattle,
You know --

Boeing
MicroSoft
Nintendo, America
Eddie Bauer
Amazon
Starbucks
REI
CostCo
T-Mobile
Weyerhaeuser
Zillow

all those ccrummy minimumm wage paying jobs...

I suppose $15 an hour is outrageous in $7 an hour Utah.

But,
Don't expect to be a World Leader in anything
when you're payng pauper's wages.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Grover, that is one GREAT idea! But I'll bet no one would take you up on it. They know they'd lose.

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