DrUteThe fact that Busby's actions are even a compliance issue
says more about the lunacy of the NCAA's rules, than it does about any
"wrongdoing" by BYU or Busby.As a "Dr", one would
think you'd understand the fundamental rule about subjects of an
investigation not commenting about an on-going investigation, but maybe
that's one of the many things the kids on the hill don't understand.
@ Reductive Reasoning: Well I guess since Derik says he's a Good Guy I
guess that should make everything ok. LOLWhy make the guy disappear
if he' a saint? Sooner or later Busby's Bumbles are going
to surface; he's a Fixer, after all, yes? ;)
MyPerspectiveUtah's supposed "independent
investigation" has nothing to do with the BYU's investigation.However, as a college sports fan, I'm much more concerned about a coach
abusing his athletes, than about an athlete being allow to crash a couple of day
"for free" on somebody's couch.
DuckhunterHighland, UT@Mormon Ute"I'm
going to have to disagree with you on the "independent investigation"
claim, that is simply not the case. It was conducted by a utah insider and was
pretty much a joke because of that."We're still waiting to
find out what the NCAA thinks of byu's own internal investigation,
aren't we. byu would have been far better served to take the same approach
Utah did. But hey, Mendenahll and his side kick said that they feel good about
the "results" of byu's investigation so it's all good, right?
The NCAA will most certainly not take issue with Holmoe, Mendenhall, and byu,
right? Right, Duckhunter??
@Mormon UteI'm going to have to disagree with you on the
"independent investigation" claim, that is simply not the case. It was
conducted by a utah insider and was pretty much a joke because of that.
Mormon Ute"The independent investigation of the swim coach
revealed he had issues in his personal life that warranted firing him, but they
cleared him of the allegations of abuse of his swimmers. No NCAA violations
occurred."Of course the "independent" investigation
"cleared" Greg Winslow of abuse.The "investigation"
was conducted by Alan Sullivan, a former member of the University of Utah Alumni
Association Board of Directors.
skywalker,I guess you subscribe to the notion that a person
convicted in the media is truly guilty. The independent investigation of the
swim coach revealed he had issues in his personal life that warranted firing
him, but they cleared him of the allegations of abuse of his swimmers. No NCAA
CO Ute"While the swim team issue was a big black eye and poorly
handled, it wasn't compliance related."Don't kid
yourself... all you have to do is look what happened at Penn State to see that
abuse within an athletic department is absolutely compliance related.
In my opinion, the posts about the swim scandal are missing the boat. This
article is about an NCAA compliance group. Among other things the compliance
people are looking at recruiting, athlete benefits, grades and items mandated by
the NCAA.While the swim team issue was a big black eye and poorly
handled, it wasn't compliance related.
It almost sounds like the swim team scandal has lead Utah to build a compliance
office. I would have assumed that the University would have had a system in
place for a long time. Is there something new about it that wasn't there
Where was byu's "system for compliance" before Busby
Congratulations utah for having a system in place for compliance! Guess, what? Every college has one as far as I know, and even some high
schools have people in place to make sure things are operating under the
rules.Chris Hill, you're a little behind on this one.
Like this is a revelation. Most schools have a compliance program and a person
over it. Even my son's NJCAA community college where he's
a coach has this in place.Big whoop.
University of Utah Core Values: No DrugsHonestyTreat
Women with RespectNo StealingNo DUI's(sic)I applaud
Utah's such high standards. I will venture to say that it shouldn't be
too hard to meet them. Go Utes.
Mormon UteNice flowery words, but how do you explain Utah's
comprehensive and proactive system completely failing the swim team?
Nice to know the U has such a comprehensive and proactive system in place to
deal with these issues. This kind of transparency and openness helps keep
public relations issues to a minimum.
Dear Brave Sir Robin,In your post you say, "What does or doesn't
happen with Chris Hill doesn't affect you guys at BYU." As someone who
frequently comments and trolls on articles at BYU, I'm wondering if
you're turning over a new leaf this week and taking your own advice. After
all, what does or doesn't happen with BYU doesn't affect you guys at
@deductive reasoningIf Busby was such a great human being and
didn't really do anything wrong, why is he being kept under wraps? If
there's nothing to hide, why not say so? Why all the secrecy?@ND95CAWhat does or doesn't happen with Chris Hill
doesn't affect you guys at BYU - when he eventually leaves or retires, he
won't be the next AD at BYU, and his loss won't get Utah demoted from
the PAC12. In other words, there's no light at the end of the tunnel for
BYU. Rather than worry about whether or not Chris Hill should have a job, you
should be more worried about what the NCAA might do to BYU, because this Busby
thing goes a lot deeper than free socks.
How many self-reported violations did BYU have compared to Utah?
DrUteInstead of throwing out mindless jabs at a person you obviously
don't have a clue about, you should Google Derik Stevenson's comments
about Duane Busby to discover who Duane really was.
DrUteEither Dr. Hill's compliance team was completely asleep at
the wheel, or they were complicit in covering up a scandal that should have cost
Chris Hill his job.
Appreciate the article, reinforces the transparency policy on The Hill, altho it
makes the recent swim team situation even that much more problematic --- e.g.
why it took so much time to identify and correct the coaching problem with a
full-time five-person compliance team available to athletes and their families.
If this team was more accessible and/or visible then perhaps the
decision on the part of athletes and coaches when facing temptation might lean
more to self-policing (infinitely more desirable) than "catch me if you
can".Haven't seen a similar article concerning BYU, of
course this article obviously a comparison/juxtaposition of conditions at the
two universities.[Anyone seen or heard from Busby recently?]