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Published: Sunday, June 29 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Equal partners with different roles to perform for the ultimate benefit and well being of the entire human race. Fathers provide, preside and protect. Mothers create life, nurture and teach. God, in His wisdom gave men and women different gifts and talents in order to perform their respective roles. Each role is critical and one is not more important than another. When we meddle and interfere with these God given roles, we risk the well being of the family and create massive social problems. We can not hire enough policemen, build enough prisons or have enough government programs to accommodate the broken and damaged people we produce when our homes are broken. When we fight against these principles we do so at our own detriment and the detriment of our children.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Men will be accused of telling women what a woman's role is, just as women will be accused of telling men what a man's role is. Because the argument seems to be what the roles of men and women are within the religion that they join, wouldn't it be proper to let God decide what roles He wants men to fill and what roles He wants women to fill? If people actually believe that God is the head of their religion, why would they try to tell God what to do? On the other hand, if they think that they, and not God, are the head of their religion, why would they join a church that claims to follow God?

God appoints the responsibility of Priesthood to men and the responsibility of bringing His children into the world to women. Who are we to argue with God? What makes some people think that God needs them to think for Him?

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Barefoot and pregnant, eh Bob? I know a few women who would take some pretty strong opinion to your statements, without even being interested in this specific issue.

Really???
Kearns, UT

I believe that the only way we are going to mend feelings is to start listening to others. This letter demonstrates a major problem our culture faces--and it's not just an LDS problem. As men, we need to stop telling women how they should act and feel. It's time we truly listen and give equal authority and respect to everyone regardless of gender.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

RE: Mountanman "Equal partners with different roles to perform for the ultimate benefit and well being of the entire human race."

Well it's a lot more complicated than that. For example right wingers are wont to say: capitalists provide the capital, labor provides the labor, and landlords provide the land, and all have an equal role. But society is full of power relationships. Capital dominates labor, AND men dominate women. The problem is: men and women are not equal partners. Somehow in some way this has to be fixed, just like the relationship between capital and labor must be fixed.

nonceleb
Salt Lake City, UT

Men are just bystanders? Propagation requires both male and female collaboration. Women cannot conceive without a particular male donation. Raising children should also be a partnership. And I would like to know what this producing and raising children has anything to do with only men having the priesthood. Without an explanation this letter really makes little sense.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

"women...should understand that there are good reasons why they are denied that privilege."

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That statement is wrong on so many levels,
and that misunderstanding is there is a riff.

Women can not be denied something they already have,
and
no privilege is being denied.

Alfred
Phoenix, AZ

"Her role is supremely important."

You got that right.

Women who raise families (as all women should, if they can) are too preoccupied with that task to have to go off and conduct priesthood business as well. Which is better left to the male counterparts. If I had to judge, producing and raising families is far more superior a responsibility than running the priesthood. Women should be proud and thankful for such a high calling. As I'm sure they are.

The fly in the ointment is... what about females who can't have children or whose families are raised and long gone. Well, my only answer is, church authorities can't solve all the world's problems.

Karen R.
Houston, TX

Really??? said, "As men, we need to stop telling women how they should act and feel. It's time we truly listen and give equal authority and respect to everyone regardless of gender."

This statement reflects the reality that, in some instances, men are still in a position to grant authority and respect. However, in others it's more about women giving away to men this power and responsibility. We do this when we seek permission to be treated as equals rather than simply behaving as such. Because we ARE equal, regardless of what anyone or any one culture believes, and we ARE responsible for our own lives.

This doesn't mean we have to do everything that men do or how they do it, but it is our responsibility to determine this for ourselves. For some women this decision may in fact be allowing a man to decide for her. Fine. To each her own. The point is that the power is really in OUR hands. Men may still be in a position to thwart our right to self-determination, but they cannot prevent us from believing what's true: We're equal.

uteman1011
South Jordan, UT

Treat women "fairly" but not equally. Wow. Just Wow.

Ranch
Here, UT

I didn't see a single "good reason" in your opinion letter, Robert. Not a single one.

And of course, since it's Sunday, I guess MR's sermonizing is allowable today.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

"women...should understand that there are good reasons why they are denied that privilege."

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What are they being denied,
What privilege is being lost?

It's comments and mis-understanding such as this, that fan the flames.

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

Can anyone cite a nation or a culture in which women are the dominant players or leaders? I would think that it might be a holdover from the not far distant time where men ruled by force and the strongest survived. Those times are long gone. Sticking God with choosing men over women is a major cop out, but one that has been used and continues to be used around the world for a reason why things are the way they are and shouldn't change.

Hey also let's not forget that it is not only the LDS who are trying to explain the way it should be...what about the Catholics?? They are willing to let their priestly class die out and not be replaced rather than let anyone other than celibate males be the leaders. In fact, they are even willing to take on the most heir apparent group (nuns) and threaten them with excommunication for suggesting that women could/should be priests!

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

My fellow Mormons trying to rationalize this instead of letting the church's spokesperson do it only pours more gasoline onto the fire.

I don't think we should be commenting about this in such a public and volatile place.

You're only promoting further misunderstanding and anger at our church. Please stop.

Led the prophets lead and comment.

Miss Piggie
Phoenix, AZ

@Grover: "Can anyone cite a nation or a culture in which women are the dominant players or leaders?"

Here's the deal... God created Adam. Then He took a rib from Adam and make Eve out of the rib, to be Adam's helpmeet. Not to be his leader but to be a helper. That's in the Bible.

From this springs the male dominance/leadeship in churches including priesthood. Women, following the example of Eve, are to be helpers, not leaders. Priesthood is for leadership... in the home as well as church.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Marxist. Capitalism? What has that got to do with this issue? Jesus chose 12 Apostles, all males! This, of course does not mean Jesus discriminated against women. It means that men have different roles than women. Not greater roles or lesser roles, just different roles both receiving blessings! If you disagree, take up your argument with Him!

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

There are those who have turned away from the doctrine they taught as missionaries and there are those who tell us that man has the right to dictate to God, God's doctrine. That's another name for priestcraft. Priestcraft is an excuse for people to claim authority from God without God's permission. Many of those who do that preach whatever is popular at the moment. Now, look at those who do God's bidding. The Deseret News just ran a story on the anniversary of Joseph and Hyrum Smith's deaths at the hand of a mob in Illinois. Those two men testified to their death that they were servants of God and witnesses of the restoration of Christ's Church. They sealed that testimony with their blood. That has been the price required of many of those who have held the priesthood, including Jesus Christ, He who holds all authority and all keys to that eternal priesthood.

No person can take priesthood authority to himself without rejecting the authority of Him who authorizes the delegation of priesthood authority.

RBB
Sandy, UT

The wonderful thing about this country is that (in most situations) you are free to associate with whomever you chose. If you believe that men and women are the same, there are a host of organizations which believe that and you are free to join them. If you believe that men and women are different, you are fee to believe that and there are a few organizations which you can join which still have that belief.

If I belong to an organization which is - or changes to become - inconsistent with my point of view, I have the option of staying or leaving. My biggest concern are those who insist on changing the organization to their point of view. Some will even join just to push the change they want - the professional busy-bodies.

If you do not agree with the Mormon, Catholic, Muslim, etc., etc., view of the relationship between men and women, then find an organization that agrees with you. Do not throw temper tantrums trying to get the organizations to bend to your will and do not violate rights of others to have an organization consistent with their beliefs.

Shaun
Sandy, UT

What do women's "roles" have anything to do with LDS religion?

This has nothing to do with the book of Mormon or God's will. Men, not God, are simply saying that women can not hold the priesthood.

Karen R.
Houston, TX

@ RBB

"If you do not agree with the Mormon, Catholic, Muslim, etc., etc., view of the relationship between men and women, then find an organization that agrees with you."

This is easily said, but not so easily done, is it? For example, as I understand it from visiting this paper for awhile, the LDS Church teaches from Day 1 that 1) family is paramount; and 2) if you mess up, you lose your family in the hereafter. So if an individual does happen to like his/her family and doesn't mind the idea of spending eternity in their company, and if the church is squelching his/her needs and desires, then I don't think it's unreasonable to expect this person to try to change the institution from within. I thinks it's probably what a lot of us would do.

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