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Published: Sunday, June 29 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

Updated: Saturday, June 28 2014 10:36 p.m. MDT

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Howard Beal
Provo, UT

I think for individuals results will vary and everyone to a certain extent controls their destiny. Overall, America probably peeked out in the late 1950's and early 1960's and I expect the middle class to continue to shrink and the American Dream to be realized by a smaller percentage of Americans.

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

Unless we reverse the trends started in the early 1980s which merely empowered plutocrats and reinstate the policies that built the greatest middle-class the world has ever seen, then our best days are behind us.

We cannot survive another decade of trickle down economics. Tax rates on the rich is unsustainable. We need to tax them much more in order to maintain infrastructure. We need to drastically raise the min wage and empower unions. No longer should your typical CEO make 100,000 times more than his employees.

Currently, only a few boats are being raised in our harbor while all the others are being sunk.

We need to raise all the boats in our harbor.

Lastly, we've been through this before. The Gilded Age was a difficult time. CEOs back then had bought off the government with "free speech." Back then, they treated employees as property too.

But the people became organized, focused on the issues (not just on the president's jeans), and fought to take their country back from the rich and corrupt.

This revolution will hopefully result in another progressive movement and economic explosion. If not, then America's best days are indeed, behind her.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

It seems perverse that the article would quote Reagan, the worst President since Warren Harding, whose Reaganomics is still keeping this nation down. It is no coincidence that income disparity really took off during Reagan’s reign, and still continues because Reaganomics is still very much in effect. But the tradeoff was supposed to be jobs. Where are the jobs?

“There are no great limits to growth because there are no limits of human intelligence, imagination, and wonder.” Yep, Ronald Reagan sure could deliver a line, couldn’t he? And his plutocratic masters made sure he had great speech writers. It’s no wonder they put all their considerable financial support behind the political campaigns of this pliable actor.

“ . . . exacerbated by poor presidential leadership . . . “ Compared to whom Webb? . . . Reagan who tripled the debt? . . . or GW who only doubled it?

“I channel Reagan.” You sure do Pignanelli. I can tell by the lack of substance in your arguments.

“What can be done to revive America’s can-do attitude?” That’s easy. Just get rid of can’t-do Right Wingers who only seem to excel at obstructing all progress and manufacturing phony scandals.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

I admire very much Pignanelli's optimism, and Webb's astute political insight.

Is America on the decline, or will we be able to overcome our current challenges? Really good question.

There are always reasons to be optimistic, and reasons to be concerned, but a very powerful barometer of how our people feel about the future is the birthrate - are Americans bullish on our future, or worried?

Everyone knows that measure is not in the best shape. Why?

Underneath all issues everyone has a basic economic sense of their own economic health, if their future looks positive and stable, even prosperous, or if there are dark clouds on the horizon.

Levels of the stress hormone cortisol are elevated in Americans, relative to just about all other nations. This is another indicator of ongoing, grinding stress. Sort of hard to deny basic physiological realities.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I hate an idea that will work! It will for sure save America!

Let's give the rich more money! Let's bend the tax code so that poor people will subsidize the rich!

Let's cut worker benefits and wages and prevent any increase in the min wage!

Let's deregulate Wall Street and let them by off congress with the "free speech" of bribery.

While we're busy doing this, we can distract the populace with stories about the President's religion, jeans, and birth certificate. If we need a big distraction, we can blame an embassy attack on him or investigate baseball players for using steroids.

The populace will never know what hit'em!

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

If you lucky enough to be in the 1% -- then yes.
If you in the 99% -- then the answer is no.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

For Mitt Romney, a beautiful future. For the 47%, no so much.

Light and Liberty
St. George/Washington, UT

All the comments on this thread are a mixed bag of delusion, whether Republican or Democrat. How any citizen can support any President and/or congress with47 million Americans on welfare is beyond me. The Democrats will want to make those 47 million more dependent, less moral, and more ignorant, while the Republicans will promote Crony Capitalism, more dependency, and more patronization. Both will huddle with the Federal Reserve to promote war and both will promote corruption, abortion, and taxes for an added insult to intelligence. both will act ignorant of what the Constitution means. Worst of all, citizens from both parties will believe their leaders when they open their mouths. The is a great land when citizens honor the God of this land. Time will tell whether enough Americans will stand up for Him.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

10CC -

"Levels of the stress hormone cortisol are elevated in Americans, relative to just about all other nations."

I tried to find support for that claim, but I could not.

I did find studies that showed high cortisol levels in impoverished people worldwide though.

Check out a paper entitled "Poverty Raises Levels of the Stress Hormone Cortisol: Evidence from Weather Shocks in Kenya."

I would imagine that stress levels have been rising in the United States ever since Reagonomics was foolishly instituted, creating the massive income disparity we have seen steadily grow since then. Of course, the one percenters don't have much to be stressful about . . . Except for the threat posed by Democcrats and others sensible individuals who would eliminate Reaganomics and restore a sensible tax rate for the highest earners.

It's really too bad the rich get so stressed out about the idea of not being able to exploit everybody else.

I would imagine King Louis XVI's cortisol levels were pretty high just before some former peasants cut off his head.

ravonal
Syracuse, UT

Go ahead and blame far right if it makes you feel any better. The problem is all politicians have too much influence in every aspect of American life. They cannot constrain themselves to operate within the lines of good government, so they purposefully advance their agendas into Extra Constitutional arenas. When the subjects fail to comply: they simply penalize them. As far as the "good' our federal government does/has done, I haven't seen anything to substantiate that in years...

steamroller
Salt Lake City, UT

I like the statement from the article, "The problem with federalism is that we have allowed the far right to capture it as an ideological issue. Mainstream Americans need to take it back as a good-governance, problem-solving issue."

As far as Reagan, I would dare say that most of the GOP look at him as a role model. But I've always asked myself why? The national debt rose 188% under Reagan....he spent $0 on education...escalated defense spending 92%, increased the budget 53%, increased the deficit 94%, increased taxes 9 times, and above INCREASED the size of government. Now the GOP will tell you it's all because Democrats had control of Congress....but Reagan worked hand in hand across the aisle and signed much of what happened on his watch, so that argument doesn't hold water. I applaud Reagan's compromising and civility and statesmanship....something the current GOP knows nothing about. Again, how is it that Reagan is their role model when the current GOP doesn't even come close to preaching what happened on Reagan's watch, let alone follow his example?

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

I'm not sure if it has all that much to do with Reagan, either Bush or Obama, it is just is. Our influence in the world is waning. China, Brazil and India are coming into their own. Europe has unified to strengthen itself. Our time has probably come and gone in regards to our peak influence as a world power and with our economy in providing the American Dream. We are trying to figure out how to shuffle the chairs on the Titanic. Some will make it out alive and thrive but most will not.

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