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Published: Friday, June 27 2014 10:25 p.m. MDT

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Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

Sure, let's take Bronco's advice and split D1 into two halves. I'll give you three guesses which half BYU will be in.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

I wonder if Bronco will take the next step and publicly identify which members of the Big-12 he deems as unworthy?

It certainly is a novel marketing approach. Preach on, Brother Mendenhall!

mjkkjk
Nowhere, 00

Based on these first two comments, I think you can guess what color the Utes are operating in.

Maybe you should scale back a bit on the PAC 12 signs. That should get you in the black pretty easily

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

The chances of college presidents adopting Bronco's advice on finances are about the same as the chances that college coaches will adopt his practice of referring to the "red zone" as the "blue zone".

Dwimmerlaik
Colorado Springs, CO

@mjkkjk

I'm guessing the Utes want to stick with the school color. It's all about the marketing after all. :)

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

It takes a lot of money to make a lot of money.

The cash is pouring in and utah's revenues are going up by the millions. I fully support the investments Utah is making to build PAC 12 quality facilities.

Bronco thinks his program is relevant because it doesn't spend the money necessary to have a big time program?

Lol! Not how it works bronco

Besides, we already have a plan for who is included in the new division I, the only division that will be relevant

Power 5 = included
Mid major = excluded

Lifelong Ute
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't care how much money my program loses. I care about winning. Lets spend whatever we need to win. The rewards(including money) will follow the wins. And why is Bronco telling his superiors how to run their universities?

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Overheard in the Big 12, I told you what it would be like working with BYU, said the TCU representative. Yes, but we couldn't, believe you - until now, said all the other representatives.

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

BYU football would make it a lot easier on itself if the team would just win games. We have no BCS bowl appearances or wins. We have failed to step up. We make our best case by winning. Period.

As for Utah making tons of money...let's face it: with such a small stadium the only thing propping up Ute football is big donors and the state of Utah. You can't be in the black with only 40k some-odd seats in your stadium. Some high schools in Texas have more seats...

high school fan
Huntington, UT

And when colleges become pro football teams then I will become even more of a Hugh school fan with junior college thrown into the mix. Without getting into the BYU Utah debate, this is not what college athletics is supposed to be.
This could be the move that kills the golden goose.

Missouri loves BYU
Lebanon, MO

I like the idea of a performance criteria being established for seperating the schools. Graduation rates, Student academic perforance, fiscal responsibility, athletic achievement, facility management etc... could all be measured for a school to compete at the top tier. If you measure up, play with the top tier. If you don't measure up, be accountable and improve your school in order to play. It doesnt' make sense for states to have their hightest paid public employee be a football coach. when the state school is operating in the red.

OLB47HITMAN
mckinney, TX

We know one thing for sure. The powerhouse, Rose Bowl winning, NC contender, Bowl juggernaut Utah Uteys are the foundation of the PAC12 and College football.

However, 2014 will bring a 4-8 record and KW will be fired. The Uteys are the Kansas of the Big 12, without a BB team. The Utes are nothing outside little little SLC.

UoU 1991
Park City, UT

Chris B

Utah should be at the top of the list of schools that need to get their athletics programs in the black, before worrying about splitting into a new division.

Despite your false claim, the cash isn't "pouring in" to the U. In fact, the U has a $400 million backlog in deferred maintain. While the Utes are spending exorbitantly on leather couches for their new football practice facility, Utah's classroom buildings are crumbling.

FelisConcolor
North Salt Lake, UT

Chris B

Using your logic, spending $2 million in order to make $1 million is a good long-term financial strategy. The only way that works in the real world is if you have the taxpayers to bail you out.

Utah's football program will never be as valuable as USC, Stanford's, or Oregon's, no matter how much you win (assuming the Utes will ever win in the PAC).

Bronco is right: College football, and higher education in general, are headed for a massive financial Day of Reckoning. As the costs of both continue to escalate well beyond inflation the bubble will eventually pop, leaving those schools who deficit spend to maintain their "Power 5" athletic programs in the same situation as those persons during the housing crisis who had negative equity in their homes.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

How to solve the problem. Starting with head coach salaries would be a good start.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

Why did we (taxpayers) complain when politicians who make hundreds of thousands get a 2% raise, but we have no problem shelling out millions for college coaches. This is our money that is going into their pockets.

I won't comment on the splitting up of D1, but I completely agree with Bronco on fiscal responsibility. There is no reason why any D1 school shouldn't be able to operated in the black. Some restraint needs to be imposed to ensure athletic programs are self funding, just like budgets in business.

If universities can't figure out a way to make athletic departments meet their expenses, we (taxpayers) should require that they be eliminated. I have no problem subsidizing education. I have a big gripe with subsidizing coaches who make 50-100X more than the average American.

ekute
Layton, UT

Informative article but I doubt that the P5 is asking for input from anybody at byu.

Uninvited criticisms and warnings are going to keep you uninvited.

Stringer Bell
Henderson, NV

Just curious, how does anyone know that Bronco's school is operating in the black? I thought as a private institution they chose to not disclose financials to the public.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

It would seem that whether or not a school decides to subsidize its athletic programs is up to them. I don't see how it affects the decision to create a new division or not. I suspect that if BYU were included in the new proposed division they would not be questioning how other schools operate.

Pearl.94
Riverton, UT

high school fan

I am afraid you might be right. Dylan Cannon on KSL.com brought up some interesting points about how college football is becoming dangerously close to professional football.

"However, the fact remains that taking deliberate and overt steps away from the game’s amateur status will simply turn it into a poor man’s NFL. While I’m no economist, all you have to do is look at the D-League for the NBA or minor league baseball to see how much interest there is in lower-tier sports."

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